(01-09-2013 09:00 AM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Some users need to be banned imo

If every thread referencing the Conference formerly known as Big East continues to be hijacked by militant defectors then we will definitely have to consider it. This is the CUSA board. We WILL disparage other conferences here; it's our board.

Go pump your new conference sunshine on that conference's forum. You have no "right" to come here and defend yourself by derailing every thread.

(01-09-2013 10:31 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 09:00 AM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Some users need to be banned imo

If every thread referencing the Conference formerly known as Big East continues to be hijacked by militant defectors then we will definitely have to consider it. This is the CUSA board. We WILL disparage other conferences here; it's our board.

Go pump your new conference sunshine on that conference's forum. You have no "right" to come here and defend yourself by derailing every thread.

Yeah and just for good measure:

Sun Belt Sucks
MAC Sucks
MWC Sucks
PAC Sucks
ACC Sucks
SEC sucks
Any conference with the word "Big" in it Sucks

I don't mean to derail a good smack thread by getting back on topic, but if the $300M figure is accurate it is almost certainly the initial offer from ESPN's exclusive negotiating window last summer. At the time the BE still had Notre Dame, Rutgers, Louisville, Boise St, the Catholic 7, and was trying to get BYU on board. He was selling games for 22 different schools so the offer was expected to be high, even if the per school payout wasn't as impressive as the total contract number.

Additionally, we all knew that the BE intended to go to the open market to see what we could get from NBC and Fox, so ESPN would have needed to pay an awful lot to close the deal during their exclusive window. The initial offer was clearly intentionally too high for that reason.

(01-09-2013 10:57 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  I don't mean to derail a good smack thread by getting back on topic, but if the $300M figure is accurate it is almost certainly the initial offer from ESPN's exclusive negotiating window last summer. At the time the BE still had Notre Dame, Rutgers, Louisville, Boise St, the Catholic 7, and was trying to get BYU on board. He was selling games for 22 different schools so the offer was expected to be high, even if the per school payout wasn't as impressive as the total contract number.

Additionally, we all knew that the BE intended to go to the open market to see what we could get from NBC and Fox, so ESPN would have needed to pay an awful lot to close the deal during their exclusive window. The initial offer was clearly intentionally too high for that reason.

That kind of talk is not allowed here!

(01-09-2013 09:30 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 09:00 AM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Some users need to be banned imo

I agree the OP should be banned.

He just posted an article that was on a national sports website. All the crybaby defenders that don't even belong to this conference anymore are the problem, not the OP.

while I think that the nBE's behavior during this entire train wreck has been utterly dishonest (to such an extent that I think their "new additions" should actually be considered "victims"), I think it's also worth noting that the biggest sh*tbag in the room that afternoon wasn't the nBE, it was espn.

if the nBE is the whore, then espn has been the pimp all along. and since espn already owns and operates one collegiate athletic conference, it shouldn't surprise anyone that they ridiculed the nBE as they were busy stroking the hair of their favorite fellater, the SEC.

I sometimes think that we're hating the wrong organization.

(01-09-2013 10:57 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  I don't mean to derail a good smack thread by getting back on topic, but if the $300M figure is accurate it is almost certainly the initial offer from ESPN's exclusive negotiating window last summer. At the time the BE still had Notre Dame, Rutgers, Louisville, Boise St, the Catholic 7, and was trying to get BYU on board. He was selling games for 22 different schools so the offer was expected to be high, even if the per school payout wasn't as impressive as the total contract number.

Additionally, we all knew that the BE intended to go to the open market to see what we could get from NBC and Fox, so ESPN would have needed to pay an awful lot to close the deal during their exclusive window. The initial offer was clearly intentionally too high for that reason.

DERAILER!!

(01-09-2013 10:57 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  I don't mean to derail a good smack thread by getting back on topic, but if the $300M figure is accurate it is almost certainly the initial offer from ESPN's exclusive negotiating window last summer. At the time the BE still had Notre Dame, Rutgers, Louisville, Boise St, the Catholic 7, and was trying to get BYU on board. He was selling games for 22 different schools so the offer was expected to be high, even if the per school payout wasn't as impressive as the total contract number.

Additionally, we all knew that the BE intended to go to the open market to see what we could get from NBC and Fox, so ESPN would have needed to pay an awful lot to close the deal during their exclusive window. The initial offer was clearly intentionally too high for that reason.

So the BE was just trying to be funny? If more schools from C-USA end up in the nBE, including my own favorite school, the bottom line is going to continue to drop. We had too many defector fans claiming they would be making sooo much money that we in C-USA, by comparison would be street people. Now, in reality, there may be 1 or 2 million difference. Not enough to worry about. Any one of us could make up the difference with one good play for pay game as UTEP has scheduled at Texas A&M next year. Not terrific but not the end of the world either.

I guess all defector fans should be branded with this is our avatar.

(01-09-2013 11:22 AM)EagleX Wrote:  while I think that the nBE's behavior during this entire train wreck has been utterly dishonest (to such an extent that I think their "new additions" should actually be considered "victims"), I think it's also worth noting that the biggest sh*tbag in the room that afternoon wasn't the nBE, it was espn.

if the nBE is the whore, then espn has been the pimp all along. and since espn already owns and operates one collegiate athletic conference, it shouldn't surprise anyone that they ridiculed the nBE as they were busy stroking the hair of their favorite fellater, the SEC.

I sometimes think that we're hating the wrong organization.

It's sad to see many folks who had a lot of respect for each other personally and each other's programs get into name calling, hitting below the belt contests.

In the middle of all of that, it's refreshing to see a comment that hits at the heart of the issue.

I honestly don't know if "dishonest" is the right term, or what we're seeing is an evolution that keen administrators should have seen but didn't/chose not to or knew but moved anyway; but the conference that most programs departed for doesn't exist any longer. So be it. All programs represented on this board are doing/did what they feel/felt was best at the time.

EagleX, thank you for a common sense, rational, and calm post in the middle of a firestorm. Perhaps at some point, the respect that posters once held for each other and their programs can be restored.

(01-09-2013 11:22 AM)EagleX Wrote:  while I think that the nBE's behavior during this entire train wreck has been utterly dishonest (to such an extent that I think their "new additions" should actually be considered "victims"), I think it's also worth noting that the biggest sh*tbag in the room that afternoon wasn't the nBE, it was espn.

if the nBE is the whore, then espn has been the pimp all along. and since espn already owns and operates one collegiate athletic conference, it shouldn't surprise anyone that they ridiculed the nBE as they were busy stroking the hair of their favorite fellater, the SEC.

I sometimes think that we're hating the wrong organization.

Very level headed comments. I think where the big dissconnect may be is that I belive most administrators involved in these moves thought that major conference alignment from above was essentially over and the coast was clear to try and do something a little differennt within the non-AQ group....that was a seriously erroneous assumption by everyone who made it (and to be fair, I also thought it was true).

(01-09-2013 12:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 11:22 AM)EagleX Wrote:  while I think that the nBE's behavior during this entire train wreck has been utterly dishonest (to such an extent that I think their "new additions" should actually be considered "victims"), I think it's also worth noting that the biggest sh*tbag in the room that afternoon wasn't the nBE, it was espn.

if the nBE is the whore, then espn has been the pimp all along. and since espn already owns and operates one collegiate athletic conference, it shouldn't surprise anyone that they ridiculed the nBE as they were busy stroking the hair of their favorite fellater, the SEC.

I sometimes think that we're hating the wrong organization.

Very level headed comments. I think where the big dissconnect may be is that I belive most administrators involved in these moves thought that major conference alignment from above was essentially over and the coast was clear to try and do something a little differennt within the non-AQ group....that was a seriously erroneous assumption by everyone who made it (and to be fair, I also thought it was true).

5/14 or 4/16 has been working for about 2 yrs now....anyone that thought is was really over is delusional....says a lot about leadership and self preservation...

....nobody wants to be left out, but there is no way anything outside of the big 4 or 5 (however it ends up) will be that much better off than today with the exception of the FCS/start-up schools being added...e.g. Tulane was chosen for the nBE...why would the ACC or B1G not take UTSA or FIU in the future over say Tulane, UConn, Cincy if they prove to be worthy...does anybody not think that TX and OU will eventually move the PAC....just a matter of time folks

(01-09-2013 12:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 11:22 AM)EagleX Wrote:  while I think that the nBE's behavior during this entire train wreck has been utterly dishonest (to such an extent that I think their "new additions" should actually be considered "victims"), I think it's also worth noting that the biggest sh*tbag in the room that afternoon wasn't the nBE, it was espn.

if the nBE is the whore, then espn has been the pimp all along. and since espn already owns and operates one collegiate athletic conference, it shouldn't surprise anyone that they ridiculed the nBE as they were busy stroking the hair of their favorite fellater, the SEC.

I sometimes think that we're hating the wrong organization.

Very level headed comments. I think where the big dissconnect may be is that I belive most administrators involved in these moves thought that major conference alignment from above was essentially over and the coast was clear to try and do something a little differennt within the non-AQ group....that was a seriously erroneous assumption by everyone who made it (and to be fair, I also thought it was true).

EagleX's comments are the most level headed comments in this thread and perhaps on this board in days. Hopefully they may serve to calm a firestorm that's not needed and disruptive to rational discussion.

There have been a couple of out spoken Tulsa fans who have really been bitter about all of the realignment movement. You will never hear me bad mouth C-USA. The time we have been here has been good for us. Could the outlook for the future be better, of course. But you take the hand you have been dealt, and make he best of it. I will not miss ECU. Their fans have cried long bitter tears for years. Sides we almost never play them anyway lol. If we ever move to another conference I won't believe it until I see it in writing. Rumors are just that rumors, and they have a tendency to get out of hand. Something that all those people who are ready to jump on the realignment bandwagon on a moments notice are not taking into account. Realignment is really only to ESPN's advantage. Gives them a perfect opening to renegotiate contracts down in money's paid downward.

(01-09-2013 10:31 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 09:00 AM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Some users need to be banned imo

If every thread referencing the Conference formerly known as Big East continues to be hijacked by militant defectors then we will definitely have to consider it. This is the CUSA board. We WILL disparage other conferences here; it's our board.

Go pump your new conference sunshine on that conference's forum. You have no "right" to come here and defend yourself by derailing every thread.

So just to be clear it's ok to start threads that clearly have no ties to C-USA and are all about another conference, then become smack threads towards that conference and members of that conference, but it's only a problem if the schools getting trashed defend themselves? Is that the precedent being set? If that's the way this board is going to be run that's fine, as long as you are clear and up front about it.

What's funny and ironic about this thread is that the nBE is going to be basically CUSA all over again. Tulsa and So Miss on deck for invites.

Well nm if the Rice beatwriter is right about Tulsa.

Why the hell does BE keep doing Football only invites? It's a model of failure. Man up and go all sports for all teams.

(01-09-2013 01:22 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 12:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 11:22 AM)EagleX Wrote:  while I think that the nBE's behavior during this entire train wreck has been utterly dishonest (to such an extent that I think their "new additions" should actually be considered "victims"), I think it's also worth noting that the biggest sh*tbag in the room that afternoon wasn't the nBE, it was espn.

if the nBE is the whore, then espn has been the pimp all along. and since espn already owns and operates one collegiate athletic conference, it shouldn't surprise anyone that they ridiculed the nBE as they were busy stroking the hair of their favorite fellater, the SEC.

I sometimes think that we're hating the wrong organization.

Very level headed comments. I think where the big dissconnect may be is that I belive most administrators involved in these moves thought that major conference alignment from above was essentially over and the coast was clear to try and do something a little differennt within the non-AQ group....that was a seriously erroneous assumption by everyone who made it (and to be fair, I also thought it was true).

EagleX's comments are the most level headed comments in this thread and perhaps on this board in days. Hopefully they may serve to calm a firestorm that's not needed and disruptive to rational discussion.

I am not sure what is worthy of discussing....this is nothing more than attrition defined by business....akin to U.S. manufacturing job loss due to unfair global labor inequities....somehow we as a fan base allowed this to happen because greed is involved....some will get what most cannot have...and mostly everyone is clawing to get there...give it two more years for it all to play out....maybe we do this because it is just fun to pick on each other....like women discussing soap operas????

(01-09-2013 11:43 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 10:57 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  I don't mean to derail a good smack thread by getting back on topic, but if the $300M figure is accurate it is almost certainly the initial offer from ESPN's exclusive negotiating window last summer. At the time the BE still had Notre Dame, Rutgers, Louisville, Boise St, the Catholic 7, and was trying to get BYU on board. He was selling games for 22 different schools so the offer was expected to be high, even if the per school payout wasn't as impressive as the total contract number.

Additionally, we all knew that the BE intended to go to the open market to see what we could get from NBC and Fox, so ESPN would have needed to pay an awful lot to close the deal during their exclusive window. The initial offer was clearly intentionally too high for that reason.

So the BE was just trying to be funny? If more schools from C-USA end up in the nBE, including my own favorite school, the bottom line is going to continue to drop. We had too many defector fans claiming they would be making sooo much money that we in C-USA, by comparison would be street people. Now, in reality, there may be 1 or 2 million difference. Not enough to worry about. Any one of us could make up the difference with one good play for pay game as UTEP has scheduled at Texas A&M next year. Not terrific but not the end of the world either.

I wouldn't say they were trying to be funny. Before everyone started leaving there were rumors of up to $15M per all sports school which would have put the total contact value around $230M. You make your starting offer above where you hope to end up so that you have room to negotiate. The fact that we wanted to take the bidding to the open market just means we were going to start high and stay high until ESPN's exclusive window ended.

Everyone here acting like Nostradamus saying they saw all of this coming is full of crap. Yes, we knew the BE was unstable, but to lose 14 programs in 2 years is unprecedented. I'm not saying anyone thought expansion was dead forever, but after the loss of TCU, Pitt, Cuse, WVU, and ND it looked like things would calm down for a few years.

(01-09-2013 01:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  So just to be clear it's ok to start threads that clearly have no ties to C-USA and are all about another conference, then become smack threads towards that conference and members of that conference, but it's only a problem if the schools getting trashed defend themselves? Is that the precedent being set? If that's the way this board is going to be run that's fine, as long as you are clear and up front about it.

It's not a precedent being set just now. It's established practice.
MT.org posters are free to start anti-ECU threads and if Pirates all run over and talk smack then they will be banned. If Troy fans start crap on the UAB board they will be banned.

Civil Big East fans are free to post on the CUSA board and I would say a large number of nBE fans are not here to cause problems. The board becomes poo and people leave when too many opposing fans take over the threads and beat us over the head with how pathetic they think our schools are.