(11-14-2014 01:55 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  There will be no apologizing in March.

So you are saying that if the Tigers go on and have a great season and go deep into the tournament, Tiger fans who cried out for his firing because of the loss in a preseason game should feel no remorse?

(11-14-2014 12:17 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  people are gonna blow off steam after an embarrassing, infuriating loss. Most have probably come down off that ledge since then, or will.

I'm glad you didn't jump off the Brooklyn Bridge or Hernando Desoto Bridge or whatever bridge you posted about.

(11-14-2014 02:20 PM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  Dale is Josh's paid message board consultant

Coach Pastner to my knowledge does not know what I post nor do I tell him I do post. This comment is a low blow!

(11-14-2014 12:03 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 11:02 AM)Dale Wrote:  in March and fess up and post they were wrong being so upset about an exhibition game.

Forget March. I'm getting the popcorn ready for what some of these clowns say after we beat Wichita State.

Nothing I'd like more. But I do see why people are concerned. Hell, I am concerned.

Last year after OK state spanked us and we were about to play them again, work was a blast. Everyone laughed at me cause I believed we would hit back hard....and we did...GTG!!!

(11-14-2014 02:22 PM)Dale Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 01:55 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  There will be no apologizing in March.

So you are saying that if the Tigers go on and have a great season and go deep into the tournament, Tiger fans who cried out for his firing because of the loss in a preseason game should feel no remorse?

Dude we could care less about your man crush. I don't want Josh fired but if it does happen at least it rids us of you. I've been a fan since 1972. A season ticket holder for over 20 years and I'm an alumnus of the university. I could care less about some Johnny come lately telling me to feel remorse. You accomplished your purpose with this thread. Are you going to the Tulane game ? Probably not. Have a nice day

(11-14-2014 11:02 AM)Dale Wrote:  in March and fess up and post they were wrong being so upset about an exhibition game.

ditto

No Dale. We saying Josh has been a terrible floor coach is entire career. You don't learn the ropes at Memphis. He has rope burn

(11-14-2014 02:29 PM)Willie Becton Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 11:02 AM)Dale Wrote:  in March and fess up and post they were wrong being so upset about an exhibition game.

ditto

Don't you have an 18-22 year old to bash?

(11-14-2014 12:11 PM)tigers311 Wrote:  Pastner needs to go. He is hurting the bball program. I don't want to wait til March

Too bad for you....he is not going anywhere until people that actually have a say in the matter say so.

(11-14-2014 12:12 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  Can we blame the referees?

Always!

(11-14-2014 02:29 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 02:22 PM)Dale Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 01:55 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  There will be no apologizing in March.

So you are saying that if the Tigers go on and have a great season and go deep into the tournament, Tiger fans who cried out for his firing because of the loss in a preseason game should feel no remorse?

Dude we could care less about your man crush. I don't want Josh fired but if it does happen at least it rids us of you. I've been a fan since 1972. A season ticket holder for over 20 years and I'm an alumnus of the university. I could care less about some Johnny come lately telling me to feel remorse. You accomplished your purpose with this thread. Are you going to the Tulane game ? Probably not. Have a nice day

(11-14-2014 01:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I always laugh when someone posts a list like this...

We got turned down by Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd. We overpaid for Cal, overpaid for Tommy West (twice), hung on to Rip longer than we probably should have, had to settle for Tic Price, had to settle for Larry Porter and we had to settle for Pastner and overpay him to make sure he stayed. We will have to overpay for Fuente and if he probably won't stay no matter how much money we throw at him.

We have every reason to be proud, but at the same time, not lose sight with how others perceive us. When Pastner and Fuente leave (whenever that is), they will both have succeeded in improving the school's image.

We just need guys like you to continue to donate to TSF, purchase and attend football and basketball games as well as proper support of the stadium beer vendors.

We all have to do are part.

And wear the proper shade of blue, gray and black.

(11-14-2014 01:52 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 01:44 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 01:36 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 01:26 PM)Mtyler Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 11:02 AM)Dale Wrote:  in March and fess up and post they were wrong being so upset about an exhibition game.

the uproar is not about this exhibition game
people are upset because....
pastner makes elite level pay with mediocre results
had 4 years with a top 5 recruiting class and won 2 NCAA tournament games
His teams frequently look lost on offense like there is no scheme
He never sticks to anything that he says they are committed to ie: the full court press
he has under achieved 4 of his past 5 seasons

Pastner is a great Human being that cannot be denied, but basketball coaches don't get paid to be great human beings. They get paid to get results on the court, and definitely when they make elite level pay as Pastner does. Look at the list below and honestly tell me that fans should not expect more than what Pastner has accomplished.

1 Mike Krzyzewski
$9,682,032 --
2 Rick Pitino
$5,758,338
3J ohn Calipari
$5,511,381
4 Bill Self
$4,960,763
5 Billy Donovan
$3,905,964
6Tom Izzo
$3,893,954
7Steve Alford (UCLA)
$3,473,973
8Thad Matta
$3,282,000
9Josh Pastner
$2,650,000
10Sean Miller
$2,627,806

Don't cry about Pastner's paycheck. First, you don't pay it. Second, it's there for a reason. It's there for the NEXT coach as much as the current coach. When Pastner leaves (Yes, he will leave sometime), the next coaching search will be that much more fruitful because Bowen can say "Well, we paid Josh Pastner X million dollars. Money will not be an issue."

Complain about results, complain about underachievement but don't complain about the guy's salary.

Nobody's "complaining" about his salary. They are saying, and I agree, if you pay #9 money, you should expect top 25 results EVERY YEAR. PERIOD. If you are not, there is something wrong. You are wasting your salary and more importantly, your time- as in, how many seasons will we see interest in the program slip and spiral down and down and down, til we look like a UTEP, or a Southern Miss.

I disagree. He wouldn't be doing a better job if he was paid less, nor would he be underachieving any less. Forget about how much the guy makes and focus on his results. The whole point of the salary is protection, insurance, that we WON'T become irrelevant like UTEP or USM.

Yeah but we OWE him the remainder of his salary, so it does matter and it will affect how much we can pay the next coach if he gets canned.

Per Dale's signature: A good loser is a loser.

Interesting.

Weird that these corporate titans and captains of industry get locked into such horrendous contracts with coaches.

(11-14-2014 03:02 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Per Dale's signature: A good loser is a loser.

Interesting.

He seems to be an expert on the topic

The BOTTOM line is, when a coach is at a program like memphis that is willing to spend that kind of money on a coach he should do more than what Pastner has done. Those that are saying people are over reacting or are being unreasonable are just wrong. Also, memphis is a different program than what was here before Calipari arrived. The expectations should be higher. It is also annoying how people cite our history before calipari and how it should be where the bar is set. Wrong. This program is at a different level now. The reason we couldn't get a coach after cal was 2 fold. Nobody wanted to follow him and we were still in a horrible league. That is not the case now.

I just wish the live stream would work when it's supposed to.

I am willing to bet we could get a number of more accomplished coaches than Pastner at this point.
Buzz Williams
Bruce pearl (maybe)
Shaka smart
This is a few off the top of my head. There are probably more.