(04-09-2024 02:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 09:09 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 08:16 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Still think they should shut down their Football program and just commit to being a Basketball school.

UConn has obviously already committed to being the premier basketball school and has the results to show for it. Football has been successful in the past and will be again. UConn is committed to being one of the premier athletic departments in college athletics. Outsiders will get it eventually.

UConn's most successful football season resulted in a $1.6M loss for the Athletic Department.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/sport...uconn.html

UConn Football is a detriment to the Athletic Department.

Stay in the Big East and Drop Football.

UConn struggled in the AAC, eventually the football money will entice UConn to leave the Big East and repeat the mistake of being in a conference with a National Footprint.

UConn basketball struggled in the AAC because it was not a power hoops conference. UConn basketball in the ACC would be fine and would probably help revive Syracuse, BC, and Pitt's programs. UConn basketball in the Big 12 would make the Big 12 relevant in the Northeast and set the stage for further Northeastern expansion if the ACC does indeed start to crack. UConn football was rising rapidly when it was competing in a power conference with regional rivals. There are too many things unsettled for UConn to even consider dropping football right now. The only option is to continue to invest.

How come being in the fake Big East hasn't reinvigorated DePaul like it has Yukon after Yukon got it's a$$ kicked in the AAC???

(04-09-2024 04:24 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  How come being in the fake Big East hasn't reinvigorated DePaul like it has Yukon after Yukon got it's a$$ kicked in the AAC???

The AAC thing is taking the blame, but it was just a weird transition period thing after their legendary coach retired.

Also they won a national championship while in the AAC and no other team can claim that so it's kind of weird to say they got their asses kicked. They had some down years as they were figuring themselves out while replacing Calhoun and have now figured themselves out.


I hate UConn as much as the next fan, but that's because I'm a UMass fan.


edit: also, yes, I do believe they would do just fine in either the B12 or ACC, but would probably prefer the ACC because it would at least have some of their historical rivals.

(04-09-2024 04:24 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  How come being in the fake Big East hasn't reinvigorated DePaul like it has Yukon after Yukon got it's a$$ kicked in the AAC???

DePaul was never good in the old Big East. What's your point? UConn is UConn. Yes, it hurt the program being stuck in a lower tier conference without the promotion of a major conference but once it got back into a respected conference with major promotion, it went back to being UConn.

Conn made 2 NCAAT, @ NIT with 1 NC
65-61 in conf play for the 7 yrs in AAC

not exactly a$$ kicking
bad coaching hire did not help [Kevin Ollie]

(04-09-2024 03:52 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  UConn basketball struggled in the AAC because it was not a power hoops conference. UConn basketball in the ACC would be fine and would probably help revive Syracuse, BC, and Pitt's programs. UConn basketball in the Big 12 would make the Big 12 relevant in the Northeast and set the stage for further Northeastern expansion if the ACC does indeed start to crack. UConn football was rising rapidly when it was competing in a power conference with regional rivals. There are too many things unsettled for UConn to even consider dropping football right now. The only option is to continue to invest.

This is the correct take.

The worst days for UConn football have passed. They made a good coaching hire in Jim Mora, Jr. They're scheduling in a way to separate themselves from the G5, similar to what BYU did for a decade. Yormark already wants them in the Big 12. If there is movement in the ACC, UConn is primed to take a spot there.

UConn will always be a basketball school. It was a smart move to join old rivals in the Big East. But if they can improve their financial situation by moving to the ACC, Big 12, or whatever becomes of either, they can keep basketball strong and improve football.

(04-09-2024 11:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 09:09 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 08:16 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Still think they should shut down their Football program and just commit to being a Basketball school.

UConn has obviously already committed to being the premier basketball school and has the results to show for it. Football has been successful in the past and will be again. UConn is committed to being one of the premier athletic departments in college athletics. Outsiders will get it eventually.

Exactly, and congrats to your Huskies on a dominating tournament performance. I was hoping to see a rematch of our game in December, but alas.

Why people hate UConn on this board is beyond me. Their football program is not hampering their basketball success, yet trolls still say "drop football!" Stupid.

I like them. They continue to prove what I have been saying for years, that regional rivalries make the sport and fit matters. Putting schools anywhere like they are interchangeable parts doesn't work.

(04-09-2024 04:24 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  How come being in the fake Big East hasn't reinvigorated DePaul like it has Yukon after Yukon got it's a$$ kicked in the AAC???

Fake Big East? Was the Big East of the 80s the fake Big East?

Big East of the 80s and their current conference membership:

Boston College (ACC)
Providence (Big East)
UConn (Big East)
Syracuse (ACC)
St. John’s (Big East)
Seton Hall (Big East)
Pitt (ACC)
Villanova (Big East)
Georgetown (Big East)

DePaul (bless their hearts) and Marquette have, believe it or not, been in the league for almost 20 years.

If anything, West Virginia, USF, Miami, and even Louisville and Cincinnati were “fake” Big East schools who used the league for a couple of hours just to jump ship to a P5. (Or not so much in USF’s case.)

Today’s Big East will still be around in ten years. It’s questionable with many other conferences.

(04-09-2024 03:52 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 02:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 09:09 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 08:16 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Still think they should shut down their Football program and just commit to being a Basketball school.

UConn has obviously already committed to being the premier basketball school and has the results to show for it. Football has been successful in the past and will be again. UConn is committed to being one of the premier athletic departments in college athletics. Outsiders will get it eventually.

UConn's most successful football season resulted in a $1.6M loss for the Athletic Department.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/sport...uconn.html

UConn Football is a detriment to the Athletic Department.

Stay in the Big East and Drop Football.

UConn struggled in the AAC, eventually the football money will entice UConn to leave the Big East and repeat the mistake of being in a conference with a National Footprint.

UConn basketball struggled in the AAC because it was not a power hoops conference. UConn basketball in the ACC would be fine and would probably help revive Syracuse, BC, and Pitt's programs. UConn basketball in the Big 12 would make the Big 12 relevant in the Northeast and set the stage for further Northeastern expansion if the ACC does indeed start to crack. UConn football was rising rapidly when it was competing in a power conference with regional rivals. There are too many things unsettled for UConn to even consider dropping football right now. The only option is to continue to invest.

Maybe they struggled because of the coach? He won the title his 2nd year with Calhoun's players in the AAC.

(04-09-2024 06:54 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 04:24 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  How come being in the fake Big East hasn't reinvigorated DePaul like it has Yukon after Yukon got it's a$$ kicked in the AAC???

Fake Big East? Was the Big East of the 80s the fake Big East?

Big East of the 80s and their current conference membership:

Boston College (ACC)
Providence (Big East)
UConn (Big East)
Syracuse (ACC)
St. John’s (Big East)
Seton Hall (Big East)
Pitt (ACC)
Villanova (Big East)
Georgetown (Big East)

DePaul (bless their hearts) and Marquette have, believe it or not, been in the league for almost 20 years.

If anything, West Virginia, USF, Miami, and even Louisville and Cincinnati were “fake” Big East schools who used the league for a couple of hours just to jump ship to a P5. (Or not so much in USF’s case.)

Today’s Big East will still be around in ten years. It’s questionable with many other conferences.

Fake Big East (AKA C7) - Current non football league that :

a)bought the name
and
b) consists of one good team (used to be Villanova and currently Yukon) and
c) nine posers that act like they're Ewing and Pearl Washington.

(04-09-2024 03:17 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 02:35 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Men’s basketball - UCONN

Women’s basketball- South Carolina

UCONN is right up there in women’s basketball too.

21st Century Women's Basketball Championships:

UConn: 9 (or 10 if you count 2000 itsellf)
South Carolina: 3
Baylor: 3
Tennessee: 2


Why is South Carolina the team of the 21st century in Women's basketball when they have 1/3 the championships? That's some extreme recency bias I'm assuming, since all 3 of South Carolina's have come since 2017.

UCONN was acknowledge and recency matters. 21st century is subjective and far from over.

(04-09-2024 06:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 03:52 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 02:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 09:09 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 08:16 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Still think they should shut down their Football program and just commit to being a Basketball school.

UConn has obviously already committed to being the premier basketball school and has the results to show for it. Football has been successful in the past and will be again. UConn is committed to being one of the premier athletic departments in college athletics. Outsiders will get it eventually.

UConn's most successful football season resulted in a $1.6M loss for the Athletic Department.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/sport...uconn.html

UConn Football is a detriment to the Athletic Department.

Stay in the Big East and Drop Football.

UConn struggled in the AAC, eventually the football money will entice UConn to leave the Big East and repeat the mistake of being in a conference with a National Footprint.

UConn basketball struggled in the AAC because it was not a power hoops conference. UConn basketball in the ACC would be fine and would probably help revive Syracuse, BC, and Pitt's programs. UConn basketball in the Big 12 would make the Big 12 relevant in the Northeast and set the stage for further Northeastern expansion if the ACC does indeed start to crack. UConn football was rising rapidly when it was competing in a power conference with regional rivals. There are too many things unsettled for UConn to even consider dropping football right now. The only option is to continue to invest.

Maybe they struggled because of the coach? He won the title his 2nd year with Calhoun's players in the AAC.

I think Ollie would’ve done better had he been given a chance to coach UConn in the Big East. He was an assistant on the title team in 2011 and was a great recruiter himself. Those were Ollie’s players too. Ultimately, he fumbled and the university made a change and brought in someone perfect for the job in Hurley but Hurley does have the benefit of not being in the AAC.

(04-09-2024 08:29 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 06:47 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  UConn couldn't hack the AAC.

Outside of Houston that conference just sucked the life out of its basketball programs. I think you could make arguments that Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis, Wichita State, and Temple saw significant downturns in their programs in that league.

The G5 stigma, empty arenas, poor conference tournament locations, and basically giving away the Big East branding doomed the basketball side of the league.

(04-09-2024 07:22 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 03:17 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 02:35 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Men’s basketball - UCONN

Women’s basketball- South Carolina

UCONN is right up there in women’s basketball too.

21st Century Women's Basketball Championships:

UConn: 9 (or 10 if you count 2000 itsellf)
South Carolina: 3
Baylor: 3
Tennessee: 2


Why is South Carolina the team of the 21st century in Women's basketball when they have 1/3 the championships? That's some extreme recency bias I'm assuming, since all 3 of South Carolina's have come since 2017.

UCONN was acknowledge and recency matters. 21st century is subjective and far from over.

And UConn now is tied with North Carolina for third most NCAA men's titles at 6, only 2 behind Kentucky

Ahead of Duke
Ahead of Kansas


On the women's side, South Carolina is also tied for third, but with only 3

Team titles since 2000:

UConn 10
Baylor 3
South Carolina 3
Tennessee 2
Notre Dame 2


So on the women's side, clearly UConn as well.

(04-09-2024 01:17 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  UConn took a lot of crap for going Indy in football a few years back. It’s absolutely turned out to be a smart move on their part.

UConn understood what they were and what they wanted to be and had the courage to act accordingly. Kudos to them.

(04-09-2024 07:54 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 08:29 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 06:47 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  UConn couldn't hack the AAC.

Outside of Houston that conference just sucked the life out of its basketball programs. I think you could make arguments that Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis, Wichita State, and Temple saw significant downturns in their programs in that league.

The G5 stigma, empty arenas, poor conference tournament locations, and basically giving away the Big East branding doomed the basketball side of the league.

Well put.

(04-08-2024 10:20 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Forget UNC, Kentucky and Duke

UConn is the new top dog

The future really is dystopian.

(04-09-2024 06:54 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 04:24 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  How come being in the fake Big East hasn't reinvigorated DePaul like it has Yukon after Yukon got it's a$$ kicked in the AAC???

Fake Big East? Was the Big East of the 80s the fake Big East?

Big East of the 80s and their current conference membership:

Boston College (ACC)
Providence (Big East)
UConn (Big East)
Syracuse (ACC)
St. John’s (Big East)
Seton Hall (Big East)
Pitt (ACC)
Villanova (Big East)
Georgetown (Big East)

DePaul (bless their hearts) and Marquette have, believe it or not, been in the league for almost 20 years.

If anything, West Virginia, USF, Miami, and even Louisville and Cincinnati were “fake” Big East schools who used the league for a couple of hours just to jump ship to a P5. (Or not so much in USF’s case.)

Today’s Big East will still be around in ten years. It’s questionable with many other conferences.

UConn would join the Big XII or ACC tomorrow if either deigned to invite them. I admire UConn for doing more with less than any school in history but it’s asinine to think that the financial disparity between the Big East and the P2 or M2 won’t eventually hobble the Huskies basketball programs.

(04-09-2024 06:47 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  UConn couldn't hack the AAC.

It's amazing the 1 conference they could not rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(04-09-2024 03:52 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 02:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 09:09 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 08:16 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Still think they should shut down their Football program and just commit to being a Basketball school.

UConn has obviously already committed to being the premier basketball school and has the results to show for it. Football has been successful in the past and will be again. UConn is committed to being one of the premier athletic departments in college athletics. Outsiders will get it eventually.

UConn's most successful football season resulted in a $1.6M loss for the Athletic Department.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/sport...uconn.html

UConn Football is a detriment to the Athletic Department.

Stay in the Big East and Drop Football.

UConn struggled in the AAC, eventually the football money will entice UConn to leave the Big East and repeat the mistake of being in a conference with a National Footprint.

UConn basketball struggled in the AAC because it was not a power hoops conference. UConn basketball in the ACC would be fine and would probably help revive Syracuse, BC, and Pitt's programs. UConn basketball in the Big 12 would make the Big 12 relevant in the Northeast and set the stage for further Northeastern expansion if the ACC does indeed start to crack. UConn football was rising rapidly when it was competing in a power conference with regional rivals. There are too many things unsettled for UConn to even consider dropping football right now. The only option is to continue to invest.

That's a bs excuse. UConn was nothing until Calhoun made it something. Ollie could not sustain it. Hurley made it a priority to thank the "NIL Donors".