cbfranchise3 Wrote:

JD Heel Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:but it's obvious that the point of school, is for you to learn something for yourself.

I have to disagree with that. I think there's a little more to public schooling than just the giving the gift of learning for mere individual gain. The government wouldn't provide free schooling (at a pretty penny, too) unless they didn't want/expect for it to help society as a whole in the long run.

I agree. The whole point of school is and should be to make your community better, and school gives you the skills to do that. Work hours are a part of that.

the point of going to school, is not to make your community better, but to give yourself the skills to succeed in life.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

JD Heel Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:but it's obvious that the point of school, is for you to learn something for yourself.

I have to disagree with that. I think there's a little more to public schooling than just the giving the gift of learning for mere individual gain. The government wouldn't provide free schooling (at a pretty penny, too) unless they didn't want/expect for it to help society as a whole in the long run.

I agree. The whole point of school is and should be to make your community better, and school gives you the skills to do that. Work hours are a part of that.

the point of going to school, is not to make your community better, but to give yourself the skills to succeed in life.

And what is succeeding in life to you? To me and a lot of other people, my success in life comes from watching other people succeed. An individual cannot succeed without the community.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

JD Heel Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:but it's obvious that the point of school, is for you to learn something for yourself.

I have to disagree with that. I think there's a little more to public schooling than just the giving the gift of learning for mere individual gain. The government wouldn't provide free schooling (at a pretty penny, too) unless they didn't want/expect for it to help society as a whole in the long run.

I agree. The whole point of school is and should be to make your community better, and school gives you the skills to do that. Work hours are a part of that.

the point of going to school, is not to make your community better, but to give yourself the skills to succeed in life.

And what is succeeding in life to you? To me and a lot of other people, my success in life comes from watching other people succeed. An individual cannot succeed without the community.

watching other's succeed? The definition of success, is being able to provide for your family.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

JD Heel Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:but it's obvious that the point of school, is for you to learn something for yourself.

I have to disagree with that. I think there's a little more to public schooling than just the giving the gift of learning for mere individual gain. The government wouldn't provide free schooling (at a pretty penny, too) unless they didn't want/expect for it to help society as a whole in the long run.

I agree. The whole point of school is and should be to make your community better, and school gives you the skills to do that. Work hours are a part of that.

the point of going to school, is not to make your community better, but to give yourself the skills to succeed in life.

And what is succeeding in life to you? To me and a lot of other people, my success in life comes from watching other people succeed. An individual cannot succeed without the community.

so if half of our student body didn't do community service, then it would be impossible for me to be successful in life? Wow! that's flawed.

flyingswoosh Wrote:watching other's succeed? The definition of success, is being able to provide for your family.

Actually, the definition of success is different for every person.

flyingswoosh Wrote:so if half of our student body didn't do community service, then it would be impossible for me to be successful in life? Wow! that's flawed.

I don't know how you twisted my words into that, but that is not what I said.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:so if half of our student body didn't do community service, then it would be impossible for me to be successful in life?  Wow!  that's flawed.

I don't know how you twisted my words into that, but that is not what I said.

you said, "an individual can't succeed without the community." what does it mean then?

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:watching other's succeed?  The definition of success, is being able to provide for your family.

Actually, the definition of success is different for every person.

then how can i argue, if you say something like that?

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:so if half of our student body didn't do community service, then it would be impossible for me to be successful in life?  Wow!  that's flawed.

I don't know how you twisted my words into that, but that is not what I said.

you said, "an individual can't succeed without the community." what does it mean then?

An individual needs the community to succeed. That can mean a lot of things. If you are talking about money, there needs to be community exchange. If you are talking about being a doctor or a lawyer, well you need the sick and the arrested just as much as they need you. Or how about the joy of watching other people being happy and succeeding. The person needs the group.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:watching other's succeed?  The definition of success, is being able to provide for your family.

Actually, the definition of success is different for every person.

then how can i argue, if you say something like that?

Can you tell me what I need to do to personally be successful? No. Just as I can't tell you. Take being a doctor. Some do it for the money. Some do it because they love to cure the ill. I can't tell you which one. So you can't generalize what is success for a group of students. They are all different.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:so if half of our student body didn't do community service, then it would be impossible for me to be successful in life?  Wow!  that's flawed.

I don't know how you twisted my words into that, but that is not what I said.

you said, "an individual can't succeed without the community." what does it mean then?

An individual needs the community to succeed. That can mean a lot of things. If you are talking about money, there needs to be community exchange. If you are talking about being a doctor or a lawyer, well you need the sick and the arrested just as much as they need you. Or how about the joy of watching other people being happy and succeeding. The person needs the group.

this argument was about mandatory service learning. So tell me how people being made to do service hours helps them to be sick?

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:watching other's succeed?  The definition of success, is being able to provide for your family.

Actually, the definition of success is different for every person.

then how can i argue, if you say something like that?

Can you tell me what I need to do to personally be successful? No. Just as I can't tell you. Take being a doctor. Some do it for the money. Some do it because they love to cure the ill. I can't tell you which one. So you can't generalize what is success for a group of students. They are all different.

why don't you just get the hell out of this argument. You're completely ruining it. You're turning it into some kind of stupid philosophical discussion, which always gets us nowhere.

flyingswoosh Wrote:why don't you just get the hell out of this argument. You're completely ruining it. You're turning it into some kind of stupid philosophical discussion, which always gets us nowhere.

Actually, your generalizing is ruining the argument. You said success was being able to provide your family. Are you honestly saying that is the definition of success for every person in the world? My definition of success: being happy and healthy. Why doesn't somebody else chime in with their definition of success. I'm sure everybody's is not the same as FS's.

flyingswoosh Wrote:this argument was about mandatory service learning. So tell me how people being made to do service hours helps them to be sick?

Again, I never said that. What I am saying is that an individual can't have success without other people. So there is nothing wrong with requiring people to work hours for a graduation.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:this argument was about mandatory service learning.  So tell me how people being made to do service hours helps them to be sick?

Again, I never said that. What I am saying is that an individual can't have success without other people. So there is nothing wrong with requiring people to work hours for a graduation.

these two things don't go together:

"Again, I never said that. What I am saying is that an individual can't have success without other people. "

and

" So there is nothing wrong with requiring people to work hours for a graduation."

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:this argument was about mandatory service learning.  So tell me how people being made to do service hours helps them to be sick?

Again, I never said that. What I am saying is that an individual can't have success without other people. So there is nothing wrong with requiring people to work hours for a graduation.

these two things don't go together:

"Again, I never said that. What I am saying is that an individual can't have success without other people. "

and

" So there is nothing wrong with requiring people to work hours for a graduation."

"Help the people that will help you." Require it. Nothing wrong with it.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:this argument was about mandatory service learning.  So tell me how people being made to do service hours helps them to be sick?

Again, I never said that. What I am saying is that an individual can't have success without other people. So there is nothing wrong with requiring people to work hours for a graduation.

these two things don't go together:

"Again, I never said that. What I am saying is that an individual can't have success without other people. "

and

" So there is nothing wrong with requiring people to work hours for a graduation."

"Help the people that will help you." Require it. Nothing wrong with it.

my point is that, we don't need kids to mandatory community service in order for them to be successful later in life.

flyingswoosh Wrote:my point is that, we don't need kids to mandatory community service in order for them to be successful later in life.

So what? It doesn't hurt. Do kids need math to succeed later in life. Maybe not. I could successfully argue that work hours are more beneficial than math class to a person's later success.

Again, you are generalizing the word success. You think that success to you is the same thing to everybody else.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:my point is that, we don't need kids to mandatory community service in order for them to be successful later in life.

So what? It doesn't hurt. Do kids need math to succeed later in life. Maybe not. I could successfully argue that work hours are more beneficial than math class to a person's later success.

Again, you are generalizing the word success. You think that success to you is the same thing to everybody else.

math is more important than volunteering in the community.

But who the hell cares? i am done arguing, you have turned this into a philosophical debate, and have hijacked my thread.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:my point is that, we don't need kids to mandatory community service in order for them to be successful later in life.

So what? It doesn't hurt. Do kids need math to succeed later in life. Maybe not. I could successfully argue that work hours are more beneficial than math class to a person's later success.

Again, you are generalizing the word success. You think that success to you is the same thing to everybody else.

math is more important than volunteering in the community.

But who the hell cares? i am done arguing, you have turned this into a philosophical debate, and have hijacked my thread.

This is far from a philosophical debate. Believe me, I could make this a philosophical debate if I wanted to, but I won't. The debate here is you think kids should not be forced to work hours to graduate from high school. I say there is nothing wrong with that.