It makes no sense for the ACC to add anyone . It gains little, and loses $$$ per team in the long run. Stand pat get teams back up to snuff and all will be ok.

Remember.....it's all about the money. If adding UConn and Rutgers will increase revenue for ALL of the ACC teams....They will be in the ACC.

I agree adding them will increase revenue.. but they have to add 4 mil each to make it worth considering. I just dont see that. Acc at best broke even with bowls in last expansion, prob made a tiny bit on TV.. the profits came from the champ game..that isn't in play now.

frogman Wrote:You have to raid another conference to hide the miserable failure of your teams to improve by improving. Yet, when you bring success into a culture of failure, the culture spreads and success becomes failure.
And now you, people's chumpion, are focused on the SYR. Why are you focused on SYR now, you never focused on SYR before.
CRybaby, Crybaby. Wipe your weeping eyes baby.

Hey Chumpion, did you see this link:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conten...CID=712288

Syracuse was to be in the ACC before Virginia's governor forced Virginia Tech into the picture. Syracuse was all willing to go to. When they were shut out, they joined the law suit to protect their interests.

correct.. the ACC never ever wanted VT. BC's biggest complaint would have been handled with a travel partner in Syr. VT has been a good pick up for the ACC in retrospect.

Terpy Wrote:The difference is the SEC is actually a legit conference. If we did expand again I would like West Virginia and Syracuse or Pitt.

Whatever dude...what the flip has the ACC done since the merger? The BE in football has been rated above you guys in just about every way...top 25 teams, Sagarins, we've actually won our BCS games....are you flippin' kidding me?

And as for basketball....nice job in beating the hell out of the big 10 in the "acc/b10 challenge"....why don't you guys step up to the plate and take on the BE....let's see who the real beast in the east is in basketball....



As for the SEC...why in the @#$@# would and SEC team join you guys? ARe you serious? LOL.....OMG.....LOL

rferry Wrote:Syracuse was to be in the ACC before Virginia's governor forced Virginia Tech into the picture. Syracuse was all willing to go to. When they were shut out, they joined the law suit to protect their interests.

You are dangerous--posting with no regard for the truth...Syracuse never joined in the lawsuit.

Stop the misinformation--if you want to be taken seriously on NCAABBS you need to establish your reputation

rferry Wrote:

frogman Wrote:You have to raid another conference to hide the miserable failure of your teams to improve by improving. Yet, when you bring success into a culture of failure, the culture spreads and success becomes failure.
And now you, people's chumpion, are focused on the SYR. Why are you focused on SYR now, you never focused on SYR before.
CRybaby, Crybaby. Wipe your weeping eyes baby.

Hey Chumpion, did you see this link:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conten...CID=712288

Syracuse was to be in the ACC before Virginia's governor forced Virginia Tech into the picture. Syracuse was all willing to go to. When they were shut out, they joined the law suit to protect their interests.

Wrong answer.
Syracuse considered joining MIAMI (not necessarly the ACC) to protect Syracuse's financial interest. At that time many believed great FB fortunes were tied into Miami. However, from day one BB coach Boeheim objected the move to leave the BE. When the ACC took BC, they said they chose BC over Syr because Syr administration was "luke warm" towards the ACC.
At the time of the raid, many predicted the BE would be dead and whoever did not follow Miami would have no future. Today we know better. The ACC is still looking for it's first BCS game win this century and the BE has already the SEC, Big 12 and the ACC in post season BCS game. Next?

Also the ACC promised UM a championship game and a season opener between "powerhouses" Um and FSU. Of course nobody gives a hoot about watching UM pay FSU these days and the ACC FB championship game has more empty seats then seats with bodies. P.S. New additions BC and VT, not Miami, dominated the ACC last year and made it to the conference title game. of course by losing their BCS game (again) the strength of the ACC is questioned. So now one of your bloggers wants to add WVU-under coach Stewart and Pat's White's a senior- and a Syracuse team even I can't watch- Man, I have to say it, stupidity is king in the ACC. You guys might want to try thinking things out a bit more this time around. That is if they teach thinking in the ACC. Evidence suggests thinking is not a strong point in ACC's sport management.

UCONN and Rutgers will not join the ACC. Not even if Moses showed up and told them it was the will of the Almighty that they join.

MongoSlade Wrote:

panite Wrote:If the ACC expanded again and went to 14 teams which 2 BE teams do you think Swafford would go after next. I don't know if the ACC would ever expand again but I am interested in any opinions that you would have from the ACC perspective. Thanks.

Not that the ACC would expand, but I won't be surprised if it happened. In fact, when the ACC asked East Rutherford, NJ officials to submit a proposal to host an ACC football championship game, I suspected that the league was looking to gain access to the NYC/NoNJ TV market. So with that in mind, the 2 schools I think come into play are:

Rutgers and Connecticut

And it's easy to add the 2 to the existing divisions and keep the other rivalries safe and sound, as such..

ATLANTIC
Boston College
Connecticut
Clemson
Florida State
Maryland
NC State
Wake Forest

COASTAL
Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
Rutgers
Virginia
Virginia Tech

Notes:
Switch Duke's cross-division rival from Wake Forest to Connecticut.
Switch Wake Forest's cross-division rival from Duke to Virginia Tech.
Switch Boston College's cross-division rival from Virginia Tech to Rutgers.

Why would they do that?

Boston College stays with Virginia Tech, they've been playing every year since 1991 with the exception of 2004.

Rutgers and UConn would be good divisional opponents, similar football history.

Don't change Duke and Wake.

Also, Syracuse would be a better option than UConn, because UConn will always be in the Big East and will never leave that conference. Syracuse does not have bad academics, have a good amount of football history and are already a rival of BC's (The two schools are scheduled to begin an OOC game at the end of the year begininnng in 2010 to run for 8 years and then I expect the deal to become permanent.

You guys are obviously trying to get a rise out of BE fans.
Why not also add Louisville and Cincy is on the rise- trust me. ONce you take Louisville- Memphis should be a no brainer- replacing Duke as a "top quality" BB rival for North Carolina. :)

But to truly make the ACC competitive you might have to go after LSU, UGA and FLA. These teams have a more consistent winning history. YOu might also think of dropping GT, UVA, WF, Md, FSU, NCst, and Duke. With the exception of Duke all these teams suck in FB and BB. Duke only sucks in FB. Now you've got a conference Swofford could be proud of. LOL

frogman Wrote:You guys are obviously trying to get a rise out of BE fans.
Why not also add Louisville and Cincy is on the rise- trust me. ONce you take Louisville- Memphis should be a no brainer- replacing Duke as a "top quality" BB rival for North Carolina. :)

But to truly make the ACC competitive you might have to go after LSU, UGA and FLA. These teams have a more consistent winning history. YOu might also think of dropping GT, UVA, WF, Md, FSU, NCst, and Duke. With the exception of Duke all these teams suck in FB and BB. Duke only sucks in FB. Now you've got a conference Swofford could be proud of. LOL

Cuse fan talking smack about someone sucking. You still hiding behind WVU's success, Toad. I know since Cuse sucks, you can run and hide behind WVU or conference champ's success. Except for Duke, all those teams have better success than Cuse recently. Do you want me to present you with hardcore facts again, Toad.

SF Husky Wrote:Well after couple weeks of football, is there any debate which conference is better top down? ACC sucks and should have the BCS bid revoked.

BCU and GT are the best teams in the ACC? Man it will be another great bowl season. I really hope BE conference game don't have to play another ACC team again in the BCS bowl. It would suck for us to beat on some sorry ACC team that no one will give us respect for beating.

Spot on!

I hope the ACC doesn't expand, basketball is allready messed up enough.

esayem Wrote:I hope the ACC doesn't expand, basketball is allready messed up enough.

Agreed

It must of sucked when Big East "also rans and basement dwellers" came in and had instant success in basketball with Big East recruits.

People Champion Wrote:Cuse fan talking smack about someone sucking. You still hiding behind WVU's success, Toad. I know since Cuse sucks, you can run and hide behind WVU or conference champ's success. Except for Duke, all those teams have better success than Cuse recently. Do you want me to present you with hardcore facts again, Toad.

People Chumpion- you still around. I bet you don't even live near Miami and I'm sure you're not Miami alumni. You're just some clown pretending to know something about Miami football. We'll see what Shannon can do with all this talent he's recruited. I doubt he'll do much and you'll be looking for another HC in two years.

As for you. I'm going to take a break right now because I don't want to further ruin your already miserable life. Not just yet anyways. I'll let FB season start and come back around to laugh at the Sugarcanes, Girlycanes, Candycanes, WTF, I just can't remember what your team is called.
Also, Keep in mind these are the "conference" boards not the "individual team" boards. Why would I not compare conferences on a conference boards? Why would I not talk about conferences on the conference boards? I'll give you some time to figure that one out.

P.S. Chumpion is not a typo.

TexanMark Wrote:

esayem Wrote:I hope the ACC doesn't expand, basketball is allready messed up enough.

Agreed

It must of sucked when Big East "also rans and basement dwellers" came in and had instant success in basketball with Big East recruits.

Not really they never beat us, sorry. Except VaTech (barely), who is a natural partner, as says the records of history before your conference existed.

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:Cuse fan talking smack about someone sucking. You still hiding behind WVU's success, Toad. I know since Cuse sucks, you can run and hide behind WVU or conference champ's success. Except for Duke, all those teams have better success than Cuse recently. Do you want me to present you with hardcore facts again, Toad.

People Chumpion- you still around. I bet you don't even live near Miami and I'm sure you're not Miami alumni. You're just some clown pretending to know something about Miami football. We'll see what Shannon can do with all this talent he's recruited. I doubt he'll do much and you'll be looking for another HC in two years.

As for you. I'm going to take a break right now because I don't want to further ruin your already miserable life. Not just yet anyways. I'll let FB season start and come back around to laugh at the Sugarcanes, Girlycanes, Candycanes, WTF, I just can't remember what your team is called.
Also, Keep in mind these are the "conference" boards not the "individual team" boards. Why would I not compare conferences on a conference boards? Why would I not talk about conferences on the conference boards? I'll give you some time to figure that one out.

P.S. Chumpion is not a typo.

Miami is in great shape, they may have a lifetime coach dude..... although the NFL could call eventually.

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:Cuse fan talking smack about someone sucking. You still hiding behind WVU's success, Toad. I know since Cuse sucks, you can run and hide behind WVU or conference champ's success. Except for Duke, all those teams have better success than Cuse recently. Do you want me to present you with hardcore facts again, Toad.

People Chumpion- you still around. I bet you don't even live near Miami and I'm sure you're not Miami alumni. You're just some clown pretending to know something about Miami football. We'll see what Shannon can do with all this talent he's recruited. I doubt he'll do much and you'll be looking for another HC in two years.

As for you. I'm going to take a break right now because I don't want to further ruin your already miserable life. Not just yet anyways. I'll let FB season start and come back around to laugh at the Sugarcanes, Girlycanes, Candycanes, WTF, I just can't remember what your team is called.

P.S. Chumpion is not a typo.

Really...should you be talking smack about a coach that in just a single season has won just two less total games than your coach has won in three seasons?

Should a fan of a program that's averaged just over 2 wins a year under their current coach be talking smack about anybody's coach?

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:Cuse fan talking smack about someone sucking. You still hiding behind WVU's success, Toad. I know since Cuse sucks, you can run and hide behind WVU or conference champ's success. Except for Duke, all those teams have better success than Cuse recently. Do you want me to present you with hardcore facts again, Toad.

People Chumpion- you still around. I bet you don't even live near Miami and I'm sure you're not Miami alumni. You're just some clown pretending to know something about Miami football. We'll see what Shannon can do with all this talent he's recruited. I doubt he'll do much and you'll be looking for another HC in two years.

As for you. I'm going to take a break right now because I don't want to further ruin your already miserable life. Not just yet anyways. I'll let FB season start and come back around to laugh at the Sugarcanes, Girlycanes, Candycanes, WTF, I just can't remember what your team is called.
Also, Keep in mind these are the "conference" boards not the "individual team" boards. Why would I not compare conferences on a conference boards? Why would I not talk about conferences on the conference boards? I'll give you some time to figure that one out.

P.S. Chumpion is not a typo.

Keep it going, you are still riding WVU's coattails like always. What have done Cuse done lately? But think they won the Fiesta Bowl, when it was actually WVU who beat OU. I wonder if you are claiming UM's NCs and top 10 finishes, too. Just hope Cuse can have a great season,so you can top riding WVU's coattails.

If Syracuse played in the weak a$$ ACC we'd be undefeated for the past two years. You'd let us roll you girls just like you let them sissies from BC roll you last year. The way I see it, two wins in the BE is worth about 8 wins in the weakling ACC. We're just in the wrong conference. BC and VT, former BE member are rolling you guys so I think the level of competition must be pretty bad in the ACC. Yea, the Cuse would be racking up the wins in the ACC that's why they hired Robinson, they though they were going south and they knew he was good enough for the ACC. But what happened, now he has to play in the BIg Bad Big East instead of the winey, wimpy ACC. You can't compare our BE record to your ACC record because there's a big difference in competition as the year end confernece power polls clearly demonstrate.

P.S. UM and VT put the quality of your BB in question as well. Can you guys do anything right? Damn. Look is your champion going to win your BCS game this year. You're becoming a joke.