frogman Wrote:If Syracuse played in the weak a$$ ACC we'd be undefeated for the past two years. You'd let us roll you girls just like you let them sissies from BC roll you last year. The way I see it, two wins in the BE is worth about 8 wins in the weakling ACC. We're just in the wrong conference. BC and VT, former BE member are rolling you guys so I think the level of competition must be pretty bad in the ACC. Yea, the Cuse would be racking up the wins in the ACC that's why they hired Robinson, they though they were going south and they knew he was good enough for the ACC. But what happened, now he has to play in the BIg Bad Big East instead of the winey, wimpy ACC. You can't compare our BE record to your ACC record because there's a big difference in competition as the year end confernece power polls clearly demonstrate.

P.S. UM and VT put the quality of your BB in question as well. Can you guys do anything right? Damn. Look is your champion going to win your BCS game this year. You're becoming a joke.

Cuse is 0-5 against the ACC schools since the expansion.
Here is proof:
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...?year=2000

It amazing how you keep riding the coattails on what WVU did and not what Cuse did. Cuse was an established school, you let teams like USF,Cincy,UCONN, and UL come leapfrogged you in the BE. At least Rutgers and WVU took advantage of the ACC raid by winning more games. All Cuse do is take credit for other teams's success.

TexanMark Wrote:

esayem Wrote:I hope the ACC doesn't expand, basketball is allready messed up enough.

Agreed

It must of sucked when Big East "also rans and basement dwellers" came in and had instant success in basketball with Big East recruits.

People Champion Wrote:

frogman Wrote:If Syracuse played in the weak a$$ ACC we'd be undefeated for the past two years. You'd let us roll you girls just like you let them sissies from BC roll you last year. The way I see it, two wins in the BE is worth about 8 wins in the weakling ACC. We're just in the wrong conference. BC and VT, former BE member are rolling you guys so I think the level of competition must be pretty bad in the ACC. Yea, the Cuse would be racking up the wins in the ACC that's why they hired Robinson, they though they were going south and they knew he was good enough for the ACC. But what happened, now he has to play in the BIg Bad Big East instead of the winey, wimpy ACC. You can't compare our BE record to your ACC record because there's a big difference in competition as the year end confernece power polls clearly demonstrate.

P.S. UM and VT put the quality of your BB in question as well. Can you guys do anything right? Damn. Look is your champion going to win your BCS game this year. You're becoming a joke.

Cuse is 0-6 against the ACC schools since the expansion.
Here is proof:
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...?year=2000

It amazing how you keep riding the coattails on what WVU did and not what Cuse did. Cuse was an established school, you let teams like USF,Cincy,UCONN, and UL come leapfrogged you in the BE. At least Rutgers and WVU took advantage of the ACC raid by winning more games. All Cuse do is take credit for other teams's success.

I think you provided the wrong list. Those games were prior to expansion if it were not you would have to have counted two wins against Boston College and two wins against Virginia Tech. And did you also notice the two wins against West Virginia by Syracuse on your list. Thanks man you brightened up my day.

BTW- How far has Miami fallen since joining the ACC?

I wish we could see more ACC/BE football matchups......top to bottom no contest right now, BE is better hands down.

And don't even get me started on basketball....BE basketball is brutal, down and dirty, and as physical as there is.....ACC would be curled up in fetal positions sucking their wubbies by halftime...

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:UM,s Dynasty run began in 1977 under Lou Saban. Top recruits have been coming to UM every since that time. Even when UM was on probation, top recruits still signed with them. You need to learn the atmosphere of College Football in Florida before you make stupid statements. The Big 3 rise as Elite teams began in the late 70's. That is almost 30 years of winning tradition and putting players into the NFL. What make you think an 11 year old program that only being playing D-1A for 7 years, will leapfrog anyone of the Big 3 team? Even Jim Leavitt is not ready for USF to be considered part of the Big 4. Once he publicly admit that USF is in the Big 4, the honeymoon is over. The sport media and fans will demand that USF will be included in the NC or bust expectations that the Big 3 have.

By now- with FSU's lost to Clemson, you can't beleive there is a big 3 in FLorida. FSU hasn't been BIG for over ten years and their hopes for a national championship are already over for this year. Things are changing. FSU now has a tradition of failure.

Not to stick up for FSU...but sounds like you don't know much about football over the past 10 years.

While losing 17 games over the last 3 seasons can be seen as a BIG failure for many FSU fans...I took you are your word and looked back on the 10 plus years (you said OVER 10 years...) from the 1996-2007 Football Seasons.

Here's how FSU did over those years:

Final Rankings:
'96: #3
'97: #3
'98: #3
'99: #1
'00: #5
'01: #15
'02: #21
'03: #10
'04: #14
'05: #23

While not being ranked just the last 2 years...but being ranked in the Top 10 in 6 out of those 10 years (1 National Title)...if that's failure, a lot of teams will take that in a heart-beat.

Bearcats#1 Wrote:I wish we could see more ACC/BE football matchups......top to bottom no contest right now, BE is better hands down.

And don't even get me started on basketball....BE basketball is brutal, down and dirty, and as physical as there is.....ACC would be curled up in fetal positions sucking their wubbies by halftime...

My only gripe with BE fans is that you all have selective memory. Cincy lost to VT in 2006. Your only ACC-BE matchup since the expansion. The BE Co-Champs were beaten by two ACC teams this year. Maryland knocked out Rutgers from the top 10 and ranks of unbeaten. VA beat Pitt which beat WVU.

Did not UNC beat UL in the tournament this year?

Compare the 8 ACC bowl teams to the 8 BE teams.

Also here is something for you to look at.
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...?confid=11

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:

frogman Wrote:If Syracuse played in the weak a$$ ACC we'd be undefeated for the past two years. You'd let us roll you girls just like you let them sissies from BC roll you last year. The way I see it, two wins in the BE is worth about 8 wins in the weakling ACC. We're just in the wrong conference. BC and VT, former BE member are rolling you guys so I think the level of competition must be pretty bad in the ACC. Yea, the Cuse would be racking up the wins in the ACC that's why they hired Robinson, they though they were going south and they knew he was good enough for the ACC. But what happened, now he has to play in the BIg Bad Big East instead of the winey, wimpy ACC. You can't compare our BE record to your ACC record because there's a big difference in competition as the year end confernece power polls clearly demonstrate.

P.S. UM and VT put the quality of your BB in question as well. Can you guys do anything right? Damn. Look is your champion going to win your BCS game this year. You're becoming a joke.

Cuse is 0-5 against the ACC schools since the expansion.
Here is proof:
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...?year=2000

It amazing how you keep riding the coattails on what WVU did and not what Cuse did. Cuse was an established school, you let teams like USF,Cincy,UCONN, and UL come leapfrogged you in the BE. At least Rutgers and WVU took advantage of the ACC raid by winning more games. All Cuse do is take credit for other teams's success.

I think you provided the wrong list. Those games were prior to expansion if it were not you would have to have counted two wins against Boston College and two wins against Virginia Tech. And did you also notice the two wins against West Virginia by Syracuse on your list. Thanks man you brightened up my day.

BTW- How far has Miami fallen since joining the ACC?

These teams beat CUSE since the expansion.

2004
VA
FSU
GT

2005
FSU

2006
WF


Continue to ride the coattails of WVU Toad.

Wilkie01 Wrote:

SF Husky Wrote:Well after couple weeks of football, is there any debate which conference is better top down? ACC sucks and should have the BCS bid revoked.

BCU and GT are the best teams in the ACC? Man it will be another great bowl season. I really hope BE conference game don't have to play another ACC team again in the BCS bowl. It would suck for us to beat on some sorry ACC team that no one will give us respect for beating.

Spot on!

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...?confid=11

People Champion Wrote:Did not UNC beat UL in the tournament this year?

Compare the 8 ACC bowl teams to the 8 BE teams.

Sort of an unfair comparison on the bowl teams because the BE did not have eight bowl teams. You're comparing the top eight ACC teams to the entire BE FB conference. A more fair comparison would be to take the top four ACC and the top 4 BE and then take the bottom four and compare to the bottom BE four since the BE only has 8 teams. At the very bottom you would have to compare Duke FB to Syracuse FB. No contest. At the top you would compare VT to WVU. No contest.


On the question of UNC beating UofL- That's the same UNC that G'town knocked out of the tournament last year when both teams won their conference. UofL was not BE conference BB champ. When is Hansboro going to play for money anyway. I think he feels he'll get smoked on the next level? But more importantly, your next two BB teams Duke and Clemson got knocked out of this year's NCAA by BE teams. The ACC had one good BB team and two good FB teams. Both your good FB teams are former BE members. The fact is that since the raid your conference has tanked in the wrong direction. It was tanking before the raid with FSU FB getting smacked around in BCS games. But now Duke BB and Miami FB have fallen faster than a dress on prom night.

I'll admit, there's a lot of promise for Miami because of the class they have coming in. But they sort of closed the last two years in embareassment and disgrace.

Imagine if the BE takes another FLorida school (UCF) and adds two more southern schools (Memphis and ECU). Imagine. We should be thanking the ACC for the "raid" if we get two in Florida instead of one. And oh year, Miami, VT and Boston College were the only BE teams to have never made the final four in BB. Never in their history. HOw you gonna be a northeastern school and never make the final four? Everybody else made it at least once- even Providence and Seton Hall. So much for ACC BB- used to be something.


PS. on your CIncy vs ACC list- Cincy last played Miami in 1998 and the first win on that list for Miami was 1948. Miami was not even in the ACC for those years. Don't pad you conference by accomplishments of teams when they were not even in your conference. Miami has done nothing in the ACC but lose.

IN the one head to head Miami had against the BE since expansion-against UofL. Well, it was a bit of a beatdown. Sort of foreshadowed what was to come. IN the one match-up between conferences FB champions- ACC champ WF and BE champ UofL- since expansion- again the ACC got smoked. Do you have a link a THESE facts.

KnightLight Wrote:Not to stick up for FSU...but sounds like you don't know much about football over the past 10 years.

While losing 17 games over the last 3 seasons can be seen as a BIG failure for many FSU fans...I took you are your word and looked back on the 10 plus years (you said OVER 10 years...) from the 1996-2007 Football Seasons.

Here's how FSU did over those years:

Final Rankings:
'96: #3
'97: #3
'98: #3
'99: #1
'00: #5
'01: #15
'02: #21
'03: #10
'04: #14
'05: #23

While not being ranked just the last 2 years...but being ranked in the Top 10 in 6 out of those 10 years (1 National Title)...if that's failure, a lot of teams will take that in a heart-beat.

First lets add to your list:
'06: unranked
'07: unranked

Now consider that FSU has been the head and shoulders flagship team in the ACC prior to expansion. From 2001 on, their average ranking could not hold the conference BCS autobid. And that's as the ACC's champion team. So I guess I should have said, "FSU hasn't been big for over seven years" instead of "more than 10 years." My bad.
Prior to expansion, if FSU hasn't been big the ACC hasn't been big- reason enough to add Miami. No mad at Swofford. I understand.
Also FSU lost every BCS game they played in since winning the title in 99 against VT.

DOn't remember wht my point on this topic was but I guess it was that the ACC was busted and the BE teams were needed to save it. Today the BE teams in the ACC are doing good but the rest of the ACC, including the mighty FSU, is still busted. EVery team in the BE, with the exception of Syracuse, has improved and has played better, more competitive FB int he BE, than any other time in their school's history.

Hope that shows I know a little something about FB from the past 10 years.

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:Did not UNC beat UL in the tournament this year?

Compare the 8 ACC bowl teams to the 8 BE teams.

Sort of an unfair comparison on the bowl teams because the BE did not have eight bowl teams. You're comparing the top eight ACC teams to the entire BE FB conference. A more fair comparison would be to take the top four ACC and the top 4 BE and then take the bottom four and compare to the bottom BE four since the BE only has 8 teams. At the very bottom you would have to compare Duke FB to Syracuse FB. No contest. At the top you would compare VT to WVU. No contest.


On the question of UNC beating UofL- That's the same UNC that G'town knocked out of the tournament last year when both teams won their conference. UofL was not BE conference BB champ. When is Hansboro going to play for money anyway. I think he feels he'll get smoked on the next level? But more importantly, your next two BB teams Duke and Clemson got knocked out of this year's NCAA by BE teams. The ACC had one good BB team and two good FB teams. Both your good FB teams are former BE members. The fact is that since the raid your conference has tanked in the wrong direction. It was tanking before the raid with FSU FB getting smacked around in BCS games. But now Duke BB and Miami FB have fallen faster than a dress on prom night.

I'll admit, there's a lot of promise for Miami because of the class they have coming in. But they sort of closed the last two years in embareassment and disgrace.

Imagine if the BE takes another FLorida school (UCF) and adds two more southern schools (Memphis and ECU). Imagine. We should be thanking the ACC for the "raid" if we get two in Florida instead of one. And oh year, Miami, VT and Boston College were the only BE teams to have never made the final four in BB. Never in their history. HOw you gonna be a northeastern school and never make the final four? Everybody else made it at least once- even Providence and Seton Hall. So much for ACC BB- used to be something.


PS. on your CIncy vs ACC list- Cincy last played Miami in 1998 and the first win on that list for Miami was 1948. Miami was not even in the ACC for those years. Don't pad you conference by accomplishments of teams when they were not even in your conference. Miami has done nothing in the ACC but lose.

IN the one head to head Miami had against the BE since expansion-against UofL. Well, it was a bit of a beatdown. Sort of foreshadowed what was to come. IN the one match-up between conferences FB champions- ACC champ WF and BE champ UofL- since expansion- again the ACC got smoked. Do you have a link a THESE facts.

UM did beat USF in 2005 in a ACC-BE matchup. Did not VT beat both WVU and UL in 2005?

People Champion Wrote:UM did beat USF in 2005 in a ACC-BE matchup. Did not VT beat both WVU and UL in 2005?

You are correct. UM did beat USF in 2005. And VT did beat WVU. I remember that game. WVU was in control and on a kickoff return the ball bounced off a WVU player into the hands of a VT player who ran it in. I think VT also has a kickoff return for a TD in that game. BUt they say a win is a win. and they are right.
THe UofL game was when QB Little Vick Jr. kicked a Louisville player in the head when he was down and that act later led to Vick being tossed off VT. I do remember those games though my mind tends to erase them. I also remember that was the last year of BC in the BE and they had to go through a struggling SYR team in order to win their first BE FB title and play in their first BCS game. I remember the Cuse putting it all together and giving BC the kind of good-bye kiss they deserved. As the years roll on you'll learn that BC has a habit of coming up short. The year the BE put three BB teams in the final four, BC was the elite 8 that lost. We could have put four in the final four had BC won. But you'll learn.

I also have a much clearer memory of the WVU/UGA BCS game that year. I don't remember who played the ACC BCS game but I know they got waxed. The ACC hasn't won a BCS game this century. A few more BCS losses and your conference might get from embareassing the BCS.

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:UM did beat USF in 2005 in a ACC-BE matchup. Did not VT beat both WVU and UL in 2005?

You are correct. UM did beat USF in 2005. And VT did beat WVU. I remember that game. WVU was in control and on a kickoff return the ball bounced off a WVU player into the hands of a VT player who ran it in. I think VT also has a kickoff return for a TD in that game. BUt they say a win is a win. and they are right.
THe UofL game was when QB Little Vick Jr. kicked a Louisville player in the head when he was down and that act later led to Vick being tossed off VT. I do remember those games though my mind tends to erase them. I also remember that was the last year of BC in the BE and they had to go through a struggling SYR team in order to win their first BE FB title and play in their first BCS game. I remember the Cuse putting it all together and giving BC the kind of good-bye kiss they deserved. As the years roll on you'll learn that BC has a habit of coming up short. The year the BE put three BB teams in the final four, BC was the elite 8 that lost. We could have put four in the final four had BC won. But you'll learn.

I also have a much clearer memory of the WVU/UGA BCS game that year. I don't remember who played the ACC BCS game but I know they got waxed. The ACC hasn't won a BCS game this century. A few more BCS losses and your conference might get from embareassing the BCS.

BC's last year in the BE was 2004 not 2005. FSU lost to Penn State in OT on a FG in 2005. Can you get your facts right before you start posting?:ncaabbs: It great that you can find something that Cuse did significant, rather ride the coattails of WVU .

People Champion Wrote:BC's last year in the BE was 2004 not 2005. FSU lost to Penn State in OT on a FG in 2005. Can you get your facts right before you start posting?:ncaabbs: It great that you can find something that Cuse did significant, rather ride the coattails of WVU .

You have the advantage there. I'm going from memory so I might be off by one year. You're looking things up because you weren't old enough in 2005 to stay up late and watch BCS games.
CUSe is also one of only six NCAA teams to hold a championship in both FB and BB. That's a pretty exclusive club. ACC teams need not apply.


Hey Chumpion, you notice how the only hot topics on these ACC boards are really about the BE.

frogman Wrote:Hey Chumpion, you notice how the only hot topics on these ACC boards are really about the BE.

And that's different than about 50% of the hot topics on the BE board being related to the ACC, how....?

Wilkie01 Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:

esayem Wrote:I hope the ACC doesn't expand, basketball is allready messed up enough.

Agreed

It must of sucked when Big East "also rans and basement dwellers" came in and had instant success in basketball with Big East recruits.

Just like the CUSA teams had instant success in football with CUSA recruits.

We were already better than you in basketball and was ready to pass you in football, so your point is!

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote:BC's last year in the BE was 2004 not 2005. FSU lost to Penn State in OT on a FG in 2005. Can you get your facts right before you start posting?:ncaabbs: It great that you can find something that Cuse did significant, rather ride the coattails of WVU .

You have the advantage there. I'm going from memory so I might be off by one year. You're looking things up because you weren't old enough in 2005 to stay up late and watch BCS games.
CUSe is also one of only six NCAA teams to hold a championship in both FB and BB. That's a pretty exclusive club. ACC teams need not apply.


Hey Chumpion, you notice how the only hot topics on these ACC boards are really about the BE.

It just shows that you have been to busy riding the coattails of WVU and UL the past few years. I post facts, because you have a hard time remembering and use selective memory to make your point.
BTW, I do remember UM winning BCS games in 2000,2001,and 2003. Also Cuse lost a BCS Game to UF in 1998.

People Champion Wrote: It just shows that you have been to busy riding the coattails of WVU and UL the past few years. I post facts, because you have a hard time remembering and use selective memory to make your point.
BTW, I do remember UM winning BCS games in 2000,2001,and 2003. Also Cuse lost a BCS Game to UF in 1998.

DO you also remember what conference UM was in when they won those BCS games in 2000, 2001, and 2003?

Could UM have been in the Ah, BIG EAST. Naw, couldn't have been. You mean the BE has all those BCS wins this century and the ACC still got jack. Man. Life ain't fair. Just ain't fair. But hang in there and keep trying or you gonna get

frogman Wrote:

People Champion Wrote: It just shows that you have been to busy riding the coattails of WVU and UL the past few years. I post facts, because you have a hard time remembering and use selective memory to make your point.
BTW, I do remember UM winning BCS games in 2000,2001,and 2003. Also Cuse lost a BCS Game to UF in 1998.

DO you also remember what conference UM was in when they won those BCS games in 2000, 2001, and 2003?

Could UM have been in the Ah, BIG EAST. Naw, couldn't have been. You mean the BE has all those BCS wins this century and the ACC still got jack. Man. Life ain't fair. Just ain't fair. But hang in there and keep trying or you gonna get

Are you saying that UM did not win those games this century or decade? Those wins did not get erased from UM's history. Are you still riding the coattails of UM and taking credit for their success like you with WVU? Despite what conference, UM was in at the time, they won 3 BCS wins this decade or century.