really I see only four options.

2 likely: Memphis and ECU

2 less likely: Temple and UCF.


I would be happy with either Memphis or ECU

fsquid Wrote:What has Georgetown done since the big man left?

What has Toledo and UCF done....EVER????

ULCARDINALS Wrote:

fsquid Wrote:What has Georgetown done since the big man left?

What has Toledo and UCF done....EVER????

I know you don't want to talk about football. Toledo has a winning tradition. Louisville, well, pretty good at basketball and two good seasons in football.

RocketWolverine Wrote:

ULCARDINALS Wrote:

fsquid Wrote:What has Georgetown done since the big man left?

What has Toledo and UCF done....EVER????

I know you don't want to talk about football. Toledo has a winning tradition. Louisville, well, pretty good at basketball and two good seasons in football.

Not that I have to defend Louisville, but come on! Louisville has been to the Fiesta Bowl and been to something like 7 straight bowl games. That's more then 2 good seasons and that is a winning tradition.

DFW HOYA Wrote:Put another way--if you were Syracuse, would you trade in Georgetown and Notre Dame at the Garden in March for Toledo and UCF at Fifth Third Arena?

They would if it meant an All-Sports conference. Basketball isn't a serious issue, you can get non-conference games against teams like Georgetown and Villanova. Meanwhile, Notre Dame might follow the football schools, and you still have strong basketball schools like Memphis to pick up. Bottomline, a 16 team conference isn't going to cut it, and it's not going to stay together simply for basketball.

I am not saying those schools I listed are my ideal schools, but folks that is the reality of what will be available to the Big East to choose from.

ULCARDINALS Wrote:

fsquid Wrote:What has Georgetown done since the big man left?

What has Toledo and UCF done....EVER????

Toledo
11 straight winning seasons
10th best record in DI-A since 2000

Highest AP Rank - 12th
Highest Coaches Rank - 13th

Maize Wrote:[QUOTE=Wilkie01,May 21 2005, 02:00 PM]
UCF is out, terrible record the past two years kill overall conference strength.

You are right again Maize...

It's only LOUISVILLE who can turn a LOSING Program into a winner.

Louisville
1973-1987

13 LOSING SEASONS out of 15. (Including NINE Straight Losing Seasons!)

1997
1-10 Louisville Record

Again...2 year record of any team can predict how they will do for the foreseeable future.

Brilliant Maize...simply brilliant!
:stupid:

Wilkie01 Wrote:I am not saying those schools I listed are my ideal schools, but folks that is the reality of what will be available to the Big East to choose from.

Well, unless the Big East plans to add I-A football at Villanova, Georgetown, etc. it's likely that any further football expansion will be done outside the mantle of the "Big East". The votes won't be there for any further expansion at this point.

To get to 12, the I-A schools would have to go somewhere else and, by doing so, leave the conference name and the records behind (like the Mountain West schools did with the WAC), and it's not altogether clear Syr. and UConn would give up B.E. basketball altogether for an all-sports arrangement with a Toledo or a Miami-OH, much less what's left of C-USA East.

Besides, by 2010 it may be clear 12 teams may not be the way to go. The Big 12 is already struggling with those within the conference who feel a conference championship is hurting its BCS standing, not helping it.

The I-AA (Georgetown, Villanova) and non-football (St. John's, PC, Depaul, Marquette, Seton Hall) schools have no reason to leave the conference and cannot be voted out at this point. (With Georgetown's unusual mix of scholarship and non-scholarship programs, I'm really not sure there's a conference with open spaces that they would even fit in other than the Big East.)

KnightLight,May 22 2005, 09:40 AM Wrote:

Maize,May 21 2005, 02:22 PM Wrote:[QUOTE=Wilkie01,May 21 2005, 02:00 PM]
UCF is out, terrible record the past two years kill overall conference strength.

You are right again Maize...

It's only LOUISVILLE who can turn a LOSING Program into a winner.

Louisville
1973-1987

13 LOSING SEASONS out of 15. (Including NINE Straight Losing Seasons!)

1997
1-10 Louisville Record

Again...2 year record of any team can predict how they will do for the foreseeable future.

Brilliant Maize...simply brilliant!
:stupid:

Not saying you can't turn it around but the problem UCF and really any school in the C-USA outside of Memphis is that you pick the absolute WRONG time to go down the tubes.

With the new criteria it is not really practical for the Big East to take anyone outside of Memphis or Southern Miss. You know as well as I do that everything started over in regards to the BCS in 2004. You went 0-11 and a very good football school like Marshall went 5-6. Unless you start winning very quickly the Big East is not going to look at UCF.

Plus you have USF who I doubt would want another school to recruit against. Whether you like it or not they right now have a recruiting advantage over UCF because of their conference. Why would they want to give up that advantage.

BTW, we did suck 20 years ago. Now it is 7 straight bowl games and as CBS said the new power in college football.

ECU is the same boat. Southern Miss has good football but has a really weak basketball program. As we speak, the only school with improving football and Top 25 basketball is Memphis.

Maize Wrote:BTW, we did suck 20 years ago. Now it is 7 straight bowl games and as CBS said the new power in college football.

The last part of that statement has nothing to do with his point.

You're just citing 2 years of bad football when in the grand scheme of things, how bad is it really? Lousiville had a streth of 13 losing seasons, UCF has had 2 in a row so far........

Like I said, if 4 years from now we're still playing 4-7 or 5-6 football, then it will be apparent that we need to build more. I severely doubt that will be the case though.

The Knight Time Wrote:

Maize Wrote:BTW, we did suck 20 years ago.  Now it is 7 straight bowl games and as CBS said the new power in college football.

The last part of that statement has nothing to do with his point.

You're just citing 2 years of bad football when in the grand scheme of things, how bad is it really? Lousiville had a streth of 13 losing seasons, UCF has had 2 in a row so far........

Like I said, if 4 years from now we're still playing 4-7 or 5-6 football, then it will be apparent that we need to build more. I severely doubt that will be the case though.

UCF problem is timing, every program has a down cycle but if you are on the outside looking in this is not the time for such a cycle.

Anyway why are you worried about it, you should be happy that we gave you the opportunity to join C-USA. Without us leaving you would still be in the A-Sun/MAC. :wave:

Wilkie01 Wrote:I am not saying those schools I listed are my ideal schools, but folks that is the reality of what will be available to the Big East to choose from.

Wilkie – It’s true that we are the Big East but if you talk about all-sport conference don’t refer us as Big East. The point I try to make is that we are way ahead of ourselves. Do you know the name of our all-sport conference? Today reality is difference from tomorrow reality and five year from now another reality will open up and a lot of option which we don’t have now will be avaiable. The list is not very appearing. What you cross off the list now maybe available in the future. But you don’t know. Every member should bring something to the table. We don’t need a warm body or another mouth to feed.

u guys are forgetting that this is for an all sports confernence and its not just for football.

alright memphis and temple have solid bball programs in large tv markets. temple is a bball school u guys former cusa guys are not realizing this. temples move to the mac will lead to a future move back w/ the old eastern indy's. the only school that wanted temple out was miami.


memphis is the clearly the best option right now for the 9th school. as far as hoops, fball and tv market its gets the nod over temple and ecu. u think we all can agree on that.

ecu has a solid tradition and would provide a descent middle of the pack football team year to year.

toledo read above @ what i said bout ecu

ucf has some tradition on a downward spiral right now. will suffer a few bad years in cusa b4 rightning its ship. dunno if the 2010 window is large enough.

marshall loses its coach. dunno how it'll effect them.

smiss don't know anything bout their program or even heard of them till they was mentioned for expansion

uab yeah right u kiddin. i see nothin bout this program but empty seats.

back to temple. sorry fball program would be a bottom feeder. but is located in philidaphia. solid hoops program. temples program is backwards compared to the others mentioned. they got ok football programs and no hoops. temple has solid bball program is sorry @ fball. pick ur poison. i think that temples 3-4 brief years in the mac will provide it enough time to get back on coarse and realign w/ its eastern indy's.

my 3 best choices are(other than psu, dame)

memphis
ecu
toledo or temple

animus Wrote:u guys are forgetting that this is for an all sports confernence and its not just for football.

alright memphis and temple have solid bball programs in large tv markets. temple is a bball school u guys former cusa guys are not realizing this. temples move to the mac will lead to a future move back w/ the old eastern indy's. the only school that wanted temple out was miami.


memphis is the clearly the best option right now for the 9th school. as far as hoops, fball and tv market its gets the nod over temple and ecu. u think we all can agree on that.

ecu has a solid tradition and would provide a descent middle of the pack football team year to year.

toledo read above @ what i said bout ecu

ucf has some tradition on a downward spiral right now. will suffer a few bad years in cusa b4 rightning its ship. dunno if the 2010 window is large enough.

marshall loses its coach. dunno how it'll effect them.

smiss don't know anything bout their program or even heard of them till they was mentioned for expansion

uab yeah right u kiddin. i see nothin bout this program but empty seats.

back to temple. sorry fball program would be a bottom feeder. but is located in philidaphia. solid hoops program. temples program is backwards compared to the others mentioned. they got ok football programs and no hoops. temple has solid bball program is sorry @ fball. pick ur poison. i think that temples 3-4 brief years in the mac will provide it enough time to get back on coarse and realign w/ its eastern indy's.

my 3 best choices are(other than psu, dame)

memphis
ecu
toledo or temple

Temple will certainly realign itself with the Eastern Indpendents in a few years, they're agreement with the MAC is setup to do that as soon as they're ready. And having our rival back for us Rutgers fans will be nice.

whey would the BE (or new football league) add Temple when the BCS criteria takes overall conference strength into consideration, not just the top? Temple will need to show MARKED improvement while in the MAC to merit consideration. They are not the BB power they once were, and frankly the BE (or new football league) is already in more than fine shape in BB, they don't need to try and shore it up. Football is the issue, and right now Temple is among the worst in 1-A in football.

If it was only Miami that wanted Temple gone, then why didn't the BE survivors cancel Temple's exit from the league? They certainly could have done so, if they wanted, and they needed membership. They made the right decision by not changing their minds, and by bringing in the best 3 schools available - which did not include Temple.

Maize Wrote:Marshall, Horrible in everything except Football.

Prove it! Marshall beat WVU in every sport we played against them this year. Marshall's softball and tennis teams also won their conference this year.

And no, I do not want Marshall in the Big East. I think C-USA will surpass your league in a couple of years, but that's another topic all together.

GreenBison Wrote:

Maize Wrote:Marshall, Horrible in everything except Football.

Prove it! Marshall beat WVU in every sport we played against them this year. Marshall's softball and tennis teams also won their conference this year.

And no, I do not want Marshall in the Big East. I think C-USA will surpass your league in a couple of years, but that's another topic all together.

GreenBison; What you hope and what you think are 2 different things.

But please explain briefly why you feel that in a couple of years that CUSA will surpass the BE. I am especially willing to hear your reasoning on this matter, because CUSA was rated behind the Atlantic 10 this past year, a 1aa conference. And thats with Louisville in CUSA. I have in the past seen posters from CUSA print such things, but they were very delusional. But based on the few posts that I have seen from you, you seem to be much more grounded than some of the others. Thats why I would like to see the reasoning that you posted the above.

The MAC and I think the Sunbelt was rated higher. To me, based on the different ratings from people that know, it seems that CUSA is light years away from being where the BE is right now, much less surpassing it.


1 ATLANTIC COAST (A) = 77.91 78.09 ( 2) 11
2 PAC-10 (A) = 77.84 78.89 ( 1) 10
3 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 76.98 76.98 ( 4) 2
4 BIG 12 (A) = 76.42 77.08 ( 3) 12
5 BIG TEN (A) = 75.63 75.29 ( 5) 11
6 SOUTHEASTERN (A) = 74.13 74.31 ( 6) 12
7 MOUNTAIN WEST (A) = 72.08 72.91 ( 7) 8
8 BIG EAST (A) = 71.98 71.56 ( 8) 7
9 WESTERN ATHLETIC (A) = 67.40 68.40 ( 9) 10
10 ATLANTIC 10 (AA)= 65.74 65.14 ( 11) 12
11 CONFERENCE USA (A) = 65.66 66.75 ( 10) 11
12 SUN BELT (A) = 60.24 60.46 ( 12) 9
13 GREAT WEST (AA)= 56.73 56.72 ( 13) 6
14 BIG SKY (AA)= 55.90 56.49 ( 14) 8
15 MID-AMERICAN (A) = 55.69 56.35 ( 15) 14
16 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 55.53 55.73 ( 17) 6
17 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 54.93 55.78 ( 16) 8

If that is truem and it probably is, then it's ECU or Memphis.

I think ECU gets it based on location and they have historically had a good football program.