It's morphing a little too much into a SW conference for the tastes of many in the SE.

Cat's Claw...I certainly wasn't impying that anyone is expanding in the near future...just listing the possibilities. Depending on how things play out, conferences moving to 14 or even 16 isn't out of the realm of possibilities...but neither is me winning the lottery. Methinks the Big 12 didn't grab the rights to the Big 14 and Big 16 for the hell of it.

Oh the possibilities...and the chances to argue over them!

There were rumors last year about the Big Televen considering Mizzou...although I never realy put much stock in that. But Quinny's little transgressions last year probably killed any sliver of a chance there was as well.

WAVEFAN98 Wrote:99, you are exactly right. CUSA , NBE and all the others could be affected by any move the big 5 made and realistically that could very well happen down the line. CUSA is trying to protect itself by morphing S-SW and that is smart. If you were the Big 5 and wanted to kill the competition for 20 years just have every league go to 14 or 16, that would do it but the subject in this thread was the NBE, not the others.
The NBE problem is simple: there is nobody out there right now that can really help them in football. On the other hand any more losses would not be survivable.

Number 1, why would the "Big 5" as you call them want to kill the Big East? It would completely defeat the purpose of the BCS to kill off another BCS conference for no logical reason. I say no logical reason because expanding to 14 or 16 would cost the "Big 5" MILLIONS of dollars. Period. That's a fact. I don't care if the Big East doesn't exist anymore, a 14 or 16 team conference would cost the conference millions in revenue sharing, and would absolutely butcher scheduling. How much money would it cost those schools in traveling if you added 4 more teams just for the hell of it? And the conference presidents wouldn't stand for it, especially the Big Ten and SEC. By the way, the Big 12, Big Ten and Big East are close knit. The NBE doesn't need any outside help, just take care of its own business and it'll be fine. On a side note, you're on crack if you think that C-USA morphing itself into a SW conference will protect it. You don't seriously think that if the BCS conferences expanded to 14 or 16 like you suggest that C-USA would be untouched do you? In order for the Big Ten, SEC, Big 12 and ACC to expand to 14 they would need more then just 8 Big East teams. Teams like Memphis, Southern Miss, East Carolina, UTEP and Houston be needed. Oops! I guess you forgot that, huh WAVEFAN?

The Big 12 would be crazy to expand to 14 or 16. You talk about just signing your death certificate as far as ever being profitable again. I seriously don't see those conferences expanding, but who knows. I do know that last year the SEC kind of eyed Louisville and UC. The Ohio Market is HUGE, much bigger then people realize, and there was talk that the SEC really liked it. But god, I would hate the SEC. I would be shocked if a conference expanded past 12 teams in football. I can tell you this though, the ACC won't be expanding anytime soon because the presidents won't allow it. And they really won't allow it because, even with that monsterous T.V. deal, the ACC isn't making nearly the profit they expected. If anything, the Justice Department investigating will put a freeze on conference realignment. If they're investigating about money why risk getting someone's attention by playing musical chairs in conference movement? We'll see, I could be wrong about this, but I would be stunned if conferences risked big money to expand to 14 or 16 teams and screwed up scheduling.

-Why would you consider ND for the BEast ? No way it's going to happen. They don't want tied down to a schedule they can't make. Very few people want them anyway.
-Penn State on the other hand would be great for the BEast. This NYC bowl could get them interested in moving.
-Fordham--no way
-Buffalo--no way
-Villanova--doubtful
-Temple--doubtful
-Umass--doubtful
-BC has a better of being in the BEast then the teams mentioned above

Memphis & ECU are the top two schools right now.

Cat, You need to go to Vegas and get rich since you seem to know everything that is going to happen. 'Never' is one of the most abused words in the english language. I would like to see a link where the SEC eyed Louisville and Cincinnati. Sounds to me like message board clatter.

Cat's_Claw Wrote:The Big 12 would be crazy to expand to 14 or 16. You talk about just signing your death certificate as far as ever being profitable again. I seriously don't see those conferences expanding, but who knows. I do know that last year the SEC kind of eyed Louisville and UC. The Ohio Market is HUGE, much bigger then people realize, and there was talk that the SEC really liked it. But god, I would hate the SEC. I would be shocked if a conference expanded past 12 teams in football. I can tell you this though, the ACC won't be expanding anytime soon because the presidents won't allow it. And they really won't allow it because, even with that monsterous T.V. deal, the ACC isn't making nearly the profit they expected. If anything, the Justice Department investigating will put a freeze on conference realignment. If they're investigating about money why risk getting someone's attention by playing musical chairs in conference movement? We'll see, I could be wrong about this, but I would be stunned if conferences risked big money to expand to 14 or 16 teams and screwed up scheduling.

i can't believe you guys don't understand whats going on....the ACC ,ABC/ESPN $270+ deal......could totally come appart......the whole bowl BCS ABC/ESPN house of cards could fall apart......as you guys all know.......Mike T and the BE officals are very upset with the way the ACC inticed Miami....they feel and rightly so that the ACC had ABC/ESPN's ok to do this, that there was possible illeagal action by the ACC with ABC/ESPN knowledge and backing to get Miami into the ACC.....on top of all that the BE is very unhappey with the ESPN/ABC offer as compaired to the windfall the ACC got. there is also the matter of ACC compensation to the BE for takeing BC,VATECH, and MIAMI. the BE and ACC are far appart........i believe that the BE is going after the ACC and ABC/ESPN any way they can.this US Justice Dept action is just the start........the BE is so upset now they don't care if the whole BCS falls apart.........the BE is not about to go along and let the ABC/ESPN and the ACC off the hook........all the other conferences who are not part of the BCS will be involved with the BE in this.......with the US Justice Dept and possibly the courts involved i think the BCS and ABC/ESPN control of college football could soon end.

I think they should add Akron, Buffalo, Temple, and Toledo for the 2010 Season.

I'm laughing at Cat's comments that the ACC tried to recreate the BE. You make some good arguments but that one was a doozie! Miami didn't belong in the BE in the first place but they do owe their prosperity to the BE. Va Tech fits easily into the ACC. But I think more than anything BC leaving hurt the BE moreso than Miami or Va Tech. But I digress on that comment.

The more money the BCS makes, the more I can see eventually the Big 5 BCS conferences going to 12 and 14 teams. And I think it's safe to say that the New BE would probably be the weakest of the 6 BCS conferences. This is why some think that if Big 5 ever decided to go to 12 (Pac 10 and Big 10+1) or 14 teams, the BE, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt and maybe even the MWC are going to get raped all over again.

Cat's, take a retalin and chill. You definitely bleed red and black but you lose touch with reality just a little bit on occassions.