(11-06-2012 11:52 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:35 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  What's the won-lost record of gay marriage in statewide elections? 0 and 40?

Looks like Maryland and Maine are about to pass it.

Oh. I didn't know that. Ok, 2 and 40.

(11-07-2012 12:03 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:42 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:40 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Gary Johnson is currently costing Mittens 50 electoral votes. lulz!

GOP solution: try even harder to marginalize and alienate libertarians in 2016.

Libertarian solution: Drop the pro life part of the platform and alienate people who *can not* vote for a pro choice platform.

Democratic solution: Let these two factions continue butting heads and losing elections.

I'd rather lose than vote for someone that allows the unborn to be killed...

And libertarians would rather lose than cop to the fact the Fed is not going anywhere..

(11-07-2012 12:05 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:52 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:35 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  What's the won-lost record of gay marriage in statewide elections? 0 and 40?

Looks like Maryland and Maine are about to pass it.

Oh. I didn't know that. Ok, 2 and 40.

If you could just go for policies that used to pass, the GOP would be fine. The problem is that's going to keep going liberal's way as more and more old people die, and more young people vote.

(11-06-2012 11:54 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:35 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:24 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Regressives have to look at this and be terrified. The demographics are only going to continue going away from them. If they couldn't win this year.. how in the world are they going to win going forward unless they drastically change their policies?

Probably the last time we ever hear gay marriage be an issue. Roe v. Wade.. never again. Health Care.. a given. Immigration? Maybe another round, but let's be real.. that one's a losing issue for the GOP already.. probably time to move on from that one too.

And conservatives should just accept a cradle-to-grave European-style socialism? No thanks. That kind of society sucks. I'll fight to the end, even if the people wanting government goodies exceeds the number of people paying into the government.

This country wasn't based on the people serving the government. It's supposed to be about the government serving the people.

What's the won-lost record of gay marriage in statewide elections? 0 and 40?

GOP needs to move past the social issues to have a chance. It's only going to get worse for them. I'm all for you going the way of the third party if you want. At this rate that's where the GOP is headed, just look at the demographics.

Social issues mean squat. It's all economics, and the people demanding checks from the government simply outnumber the taxpayers.

We've gone past the tipping point. No candidate can ever win again by promising competent, small, lean government. From now on, whoever pledges to dole out the most goodies will win.

Gee, that's the America I want to live in.

Marijuana legalization wins in Colorado.

(11-07-2012 12:05 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:03 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:42 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:40 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Gary Johnson is currently costing Mittens 50 electoral votes. lulz!

GOP solution: try even harder to marginalize and alienate libertarians in 2016.

Libertarian solution: Drop the pro life part of the platform and alienate people who *can not* vote for a pro choice platform.

Democratic solution: Let these two factions continue butting heads and losing elections.

I'd rather lose than vote for someone that allows the unborn to be killed...

And libertarians would rather lose than cop to the fact the Fed is not going anywhere..

Then congratulations on tonight!

Lol Fox took a camera crew an left the stage to interrogate their own decision room as being wrong. They were like nope, Roms fuct!

Is Chris Matthews masturbating on camera as we speak?

I can't bring myself to check.

(11-07-2012 12:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Libertarian solution: Drop the pro life part of the platform and alienate people who *can not* vote for a pro choice platform.

If you can't compromise to make it "illegal after x" and add exceptions for rape and incest and life endangerment instead of "every sperm is a sacred human life and there is no such thing as unplanned rape" ... well... enjoy losing for the rest of time.

(11-07-2012 12:05 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  And libertarians would rather lose than cop to the fact the Fed is not going anywhere..

Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson called. They wanted you to pick up a history book.

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Then congratulations on tonight!

Yes clearly it was because Mitt was pro-life... I mean if he had been pro choice and handed out the pill at his rallies they would have won...

(11-07-2012 12:16 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Then congratulations on tonight!

Yes clearly it was because Mitt was pro-life... I mean if he had been pro choice and handed out the pill at his rallies they would have won...

You were the one who said you'd rather lose.

(11-07-2012 12:15 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Libertarian solution: Drop the pro life part of the platform and alienate people who *can not* vote for a pro choice platform.

If you can't compromise to make it "illegal after x" and add exceptions for rape and incest and life endangerment instead of "every sperm is a sacred human life and there is no such thing as unplanned rape" ... well... enjoy losing for the rest of time.

exceptions for the life of the mother sure.. But I'd rather back a loser that does *not* walk to vicotry on the backs of babies then back a winner at all costs...

(11-07-2012 12:05 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  And libertarians would rather lose than cop to the fact the Fed is not going anywhere..

Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson called. They wanted you to pick up a history book.
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The fed is not going anywhere, hate to burst your bubble but that's just the way it is...

If you can't compromise to control the fed a bit more tightly and add fiscal safeguards rather than "burn the ***** down" ... well... enjoy losing for the rest of time.

So, you guys do know Puerto Rico just voted to become the 51st state, right?

(11-07-2012 12:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:16 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Then congratulations on tonight!

Yes clearly it was because Mitt was pro-life... I mean if he had been pro choice and handed out the pill at his rallies they would have won...

You were the one who said you'd rather lose.

I would...

Just like if I agreeed with a candidate on 99.99% of issues but they wanted slavery I would be happy to lose on the 99% of things I like..

Some things are just deal breakers. I would think Paulites of all people could sympathize.

Surprised at how mightily the GOP is struggling in Senate races in Montana and North Dakota.

The GOP ran bad campaigns, put up a Kerryesque presidential candidate, had the stain of Akin/Murdoch type statements splashed across the MSM, among other setbacks.

But perhaps most of all, the GOP is not attracting enough from the key growing demographics in the country - especially in the far Western states - and isn't doing enough to impress the more socially-tolerant young people coming up the ranks. Until they do some real soul-searching and figure out what to do with its name brand core, they'll continue to get beaten.

It'd be one thing if the economy was booming, debt was lowered and/or we were in the midst of a national bonding reaction to a terrorist attack. But none of that is happening, yet the GOP still lost. In NFL terms, it was like losing to a football team with half its starters injured on the bench.

(11-07-2012 12:05 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:03 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:42 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:40 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Gary Johnson is currently costing Mittens 50 electoral votes. lulz!

GOP solution: try even harder to marginalize and alienate libertarians in 2016.

Libertarian solution: Drop the pro life part of the platform and alienate people who *can not* vote for a pro choice platform.

Democratic solution: Let these two factions continue butting heads and losing elections.

I'd rather lose than vote for someone that allows the unborn to be killed...

And libertarians would rather lose than cop to the fact the Fed is not going anywhere..

+1..........50 million killed since 1973 and its just another day in Mr Rogers neighborhood. That IS the world we live in today.

BTW, this election was a HUGE win for the left. It is as big a win as RR in 1980 and maybe bigger. They kept the White House and picked up 3 senate seats all during a weak economic period with high unemployment. Im not sure the power of the welfare state can be slowed down or stopped from here.

(11-06-2012 11:36 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  BTW ....... for every Republican who heard the message of liberty and voted against it ......... and especially for everybody in GOP leadership who went out of their way to disparage, marginalize, mock, deride, smear, and discredit Ron Paul and the liberty movement ...... TOLD YOU THAT YOU WOULDN'T WIN WITHOUT US. Gary Johnson's vote total is larger than Mittens margin of defeat right now in Ohio, Florida, and Virginia. (haha, f*ck you)

GTS, see this is what I'm talking about when I get pissed at Libertarians... instead of whining about the mocking (And you still have to convince me that the RNC leadership MOCKED AND SMEARED {you're words} Libertarians), how about looking at the "WHY"s?

Paul got in trouble for one reason and one reason only... he kept _blaming_ the <strike>United States</strike> AMERICAN EMPIRE (RP's words not mine!) for every wrong that happened outside our borders.

If he had quit using that line, he would have been ELECTABLE by the GOP _voters_. Every person I know who refused to vote for RP used that very reason... "Ron Paul blames us for what happens in Russia, blames us for what happens in the Middle east, blames us for what happens in Korea". In fact, the conservative/Republican co-workers I've talked to about it, said that's the ONE reason they would NEVER vote for RP.

You know why Huntsman didn't get the votes? "Because we need to be more like China!" .... We need to be like a country that has a "one child rule"? A country that has the _Worst Human Rights_ record of any non-third world nation? That sure as hell doesn't sound like the Libertarians platform you guys kept preaching earlier.

Uconn has it exactly right:

Quote:Social issues mean squat. It's all economics, and the people demanding checks from the government simply outnumber the taxpayers.

We've gone past the tipping point. No candidate can ever win again by promising competent, small, lean government. From now on, whoever pledges to dole out the most goodies will win.

The desire of Americans to succeed on their own hard work is gone...

and that goes double for the Youth that Motown points out:

Quote:and isn't doing enough to impress the more socially-tolerant young people coming up the ranks. Until they do some real soul-searching and figure out what to do with its name brand core, they'll continue to get beaten.

Youth are promised goodies without doing a thing, those of us who worked and scrimped and saved to get where we are , are forever F'ed .. (and that goes for those of you on the Democrat side of the aisle as well... at what point are you NO Longer worth the govt. giving you something?), and the power brokers get whatever they want/desire on our backs, and they get it thanks to the complicity of the mainstream media.

Again, I point out the Akin issue... Akin made ONE misspeak.... And the voters of Missouri ignored his voting record (Pro-2nd ammendment, pro-1st amendment, anti-Radical Islamism, _STATES RIGHTS_), because the media played it up and that's all the youth of today see.... They see that and they ignore EVERYTHING he did (look at his voting record again). You may disagree with some of his stances, but he was a man of integrity and the "majority" of the VOTERS decided to re-elect a Senator who got 60 MILLION IN TAXPAYER MONEY FOR HERSELF AND HER FAMILY.

Right now I'm sick to my stomach to think what path we're now set on... the political power players get what they want at our expense.

I think you're not giving the youth enough credit. Ron Paul attracted a ton of younger people at his rallies and speeches.

Of course you'll have the nanny-state loving youth segment. But I think there's a large fiscally responsible segment as well. Economically, I think the Under-30 set is pretty split.

But the following things tend to unite the bulk of the youth on both sides of the fiscal line: more social tolerance of differing lifestyles, a measure of sympathy toward "non violent" crimes, a more welcoming view of immigration, and a more non-interventionist foreign policy. These things rank high in importance to them. And right now, fair or not, the GOP has an image problem in this department.

This is the kind of thing we can expect in the future from the last few generations from an education system that makes the bottom of the class the new acceptable "average" for performance, where everyone gets a ribbon and high school diplomas have the value of coarse toilet paper. In a world where children learn everyone has a right to "win" no one expects to have to work for what has been given to them with no effort since age 5. The Selfish Generations are here.