(04-22-2013 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:18 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Now that I've had a chance to get outdoors and think on it...

This was really driven by ESPN, with the evidence being the recently tweet $$$ figures. Why ESPN? Because they couldn't afford to lose UNC to the B1G or FSU to the XII, conferences that aren't fully partnered with ESPN. FOX has a hand in both (and a substantial hand with the B1G).

The WWL understood this and I'm willing to bet sig space that they initiated the conversation with Swofford. For once, the ACC found itself in a position of ... wait for it.... wait.... LEVERAGE, and used it to get immediate money ($20M starting July 1) for the members.

I don't think ACC is getting 20 million for the 2013-14 season- sounds like the average per year though is now up to 20 instead of 17. So maybe 15-16 mil next year and then near the end up to 23-24 mil maybe..

Doesn't matter -- the reports that will come to the press will say $20M and the fact that it begins on July 1, instead of next year.

Basically, ESPN got stability and in exchange, the ACC got it's "new membership" adjustment a year early.

I still say, don't turn the electricty and water to the site off just yet.

The Big 10 negotiation with ABC/ESPN for Tier I rights is coming up. With the Big 10 in bed with Fox the last thing ABC/ESPN wants is for Fox to sew the whole puppy up by placing proven TV draws like Ohio State - Michigan, Iowa-Nebraska, etc on Fox over-the-air, Fox Sports 1 and Fox Sports 2.

The simplest way to get a new long-term deal with the Big 10 is give the Big 10 something they want and if what the Big 10 wants is two ACC schools ESPN can help make it happen by assuring that membership in the Big 10 is more profitable than membership in the ACC and by easing the shift from the ACC to Big 10 by making sure there is no cost from the grant of rights or a nominal cost.

If you are ESPN would you cut what you pay the ACC because the ACC lost Virginia and Georgia Tech? Would you cut what you pay if losing UVA and GT from the ACC made it possible to keep Michigan State vs. Penn State or Wisconsin vs. Iowa?

Thank God. I hope this crap is over.

(04-22-2013 02:37 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I still say, don't turn the electricty and water to the site off just yet.

The Big 10 negotiation with ABC/ESPN for Tier I rights is coming up. With the Big 10 in bed with Fox the last thing ABC/ESPN wants is for Fox to sew the whole puppy up by placing proven TV draws like Ohio State - Michigan, Iowa-Nebraska, etc on Fox over-the-air, Fox Sports 1 and Fox Sports 2.

The simplest way to get a new long-term deal with the Big 10 is give the Big 10 something they want and if what the Big 10 wants is two ACC schools ESPN can help make it happen by assuring that membership in the Big 10 is more profitable than membership in the ACC and by easing the shift from the ACC to Big 10 by making sure there is no cost from the grant of rights or a nominal cost.

If you are ESPN would you cut what you pay the ACC because the ACC lost Virginia and Georgia Tech? Would you cut what you pay if losing UVA and GT from the ACC made it possible to keep Michigan State vs. Penn State or Wisconsin vs. Iowa?

Really can't refute that scenario.

(04-22-2013 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:18 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Now that I've had a chance to get outdoors and think on it...

This was really driven by ESPN, with the evidence being the recently tweet $$$ figures. Why ESPN? Because they couldn't afford to lose UNC to the B1G or FSU to the XII, conferences that aren't fully partnered with ESPN. FOX has a hand in both (and a substantial hand with the B1G).

The WWL understood this and I'm willing to bet sig space that they initiated the conversation with Swofford. For once, the ACC found itself in a position of ... wait for it.... wait.... LEVERAGE, and used it to get immediate money ($20M starting July 1) for the members.

I don't think ACC is getting 20 million for the 2013-14 season- sounds like the average per year though is now up to 20 instead of 17. So maybe 15-16 mil next year and then near the end up to 23-24 mil maybe..

CBSSports.com reported earlier Monday the ACC presidents were in the process of clearing the Grant of Rights with their departments. The agreement will go to 2026-27, the duration of the league's contract with ESPN.

Unless a league member decides to go to litigation to escape this down the road, the ACC believes a Grant of Rights will protect it from conference realignment poachers. Starting July 1, the ACC's annual media rights intake per school will surpass $20 million, according to a league source.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ights-deal

I don't really see a long term gain for espn if the acc gets raided by the big 10. The only trade worthwhile to the acc/espn is the sec taking nc state and wake. Those two help the sec/espn get into NC but aren't vital to the acc who than can pick up new markets with uconn and cincy. If you take out major players from the acc to feed the big 10 and sec than the only thing worthwhile is for the acc leftovers to merge with the big 12. I guess you could send 2 to the big 10, 2 to the sec, than have a 11 team acc, no nd football, and create a 20 team acc/big 12 football only league.

(04-22-2013 02:47 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:18 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Now that I've had a chance to get outdoors and think on it...

This was really driven by ESPN, with the evidence being the recently tweet $$$ figures. Why ESPN? Because they couldn't afford to lose UNC to the B1G or FSU to the XII, conferences that aren't fully partnered with ESPN. FOX has a hand in both (and a substantial hand with the B1G).

The WWL understood this and I'm willing to bet sig space that they initiated the conversation with Swofford. For once, the ACC found itself in a position of ... wait for it.... wait.... LEVERAGE, and used it to get immediate money ($20M starting July 1) for the members.

I don't think ACC is getting 20 million for the 2013-14 season- sounds like the average per year though is now up to 20 instead of 17. So maybe 15-16 mil next year and then near the end up to 23-24 mil maybe..

CBSSports.com reported earlier Monday the ACC presidents were in the process of clearing the Grant of Rights with their departments. The agreement will go to 2026-27, the duration of the league's contract with ESPN.

Unless a league member decides to go to litigation to escape this down the road, the ACC believes a Grant of Rights will protect it from conference realignment poachers. Starting July 1, the ACC's annual media rights intake per school will surpass $20 million, according to a league source.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ights-deal

It'll be interesting to see if that gets updated, as the tweet he had earlier said average. It'd be really incredible if they jumped up to 20 for the 2013-14 season. remember the AVERAGE before was just 17 million. Just doesn't pass the smell test them goign to 20 million for next year already. Not how TV deals are done.

(04-22-2013 03:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:47 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:18 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Now that I've had a chance to get outdoors and think on it...

This was really driven by ESPN, with the evidence being the recently tweet $$$ figures. Why ESPN? Because they couldn't afford to lose UNC to the B1G or FSU to the XII, conferences that aren't fully partnered with ESPN. FOX has a hand in both (and a substantial hand with the B1G).

The WWL understood this and I'm willing to bet sig space that they initiated the conversation with Swofford. For once, the ACC found itself in a position of ... wait for it.... wait.... LEVERAGE, and used it to get immediate money ($20M starting July 1) for the members.

I don't think ACC is getting 20 million for the 2013-14 season- sounds like the average per year though is now up to 20 instead of 17. So maybe 15-16 mil next year and then near the end up to 23-24 mil maybe..

CBSSports.com reported earlier Monday the ACC presidents were in the process of clearing the Grant of Rights with their departments. The agreement will go to 2026-27, the duration of the league's contract with ESPN.

Unless a league member decides to go to litigation to escape this down the road, the ACC believes a Grant of Rights will protect it from conference realignment poachers. Starting July 1, the ACC's annual media rights intake per school will surpass $20 million, according to a league source.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ights-deal

It'll be interesting to see if that gets updated, as the tweet he had earlier said average. It'd be really incredible if they jumped up to 20 for the 2013-14 season. remember the AVERAGE before was just 17 million. Just doesn't pass the smell test them goign to 20 million for next year already. Not how TV deals are done.

I took this to mean that their avg annual rate would be over 20 mil. No diff either way.

(04-22-2013 03:04 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 03:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:47 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:18 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Now that I've had a chance to get outdoors and think on it...

This was really driven by ESPN, with the evidence being the recently tweet $$$ figures. Why ESPN? Because they couldn't afford to lose UNC to the B1G or FSU to the XII, conferences that aren't fully partnered with ESPN. FOX has a hand in both (and a substantial hand with the B1G).

The WWL understood this and I'm willing to bet sig space that they initiated the conversation with Swofford. For once, the ACC found itself in a position of ... wait for it.... wait.... LEVERAGE, and used it to get immediate money ($20M starting July 1) for the members.

I don't think ACC is getting 20 million for the 2013-14 season- sounds like the average per year though is now up to 20 instead of 17. So maybe 15-16 mil next year and then near the end up to 23-24 mil maybe..

CBSSports.com reported earlier Monday the ACC presidents were in the process of clearing the Grant of Rights with their departments. The agreement will go to 2026-27, the duration of the league's contract with ESPN.

Unless a league member decides to go to litigation to escape this down the road, the ACC believes a Grant of Rights will protect it from conference realignment poachers. Starting July 1, the ACC's annual media rights intake per school will surpass $20 million, according to a league source.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ights-deal

It'll be interesting to see if that gets updated, as the tweet he had earlier said average. It'd be really incredible if they jumped up to 20 for the 2013-14 season. remember the AVERAGE before was just 17 million. Just doesn't pass the smell test them goign to 20 million for next year already. Not how TV deals are done.

I took this to mean that their avg annual rate would be over 20 mil. No diff either way.

actually would be a pretty big difference. Generally, the deal would be worth more money if it were a flat thing always getting 20 million than getting less early and mroe later on(with inflation and things of that sort).

(04-22-2013 03:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:47 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:18 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Now that I've had a chance to get outdoors and think on it...

This was really driven by ESPN, with the evidence being the recently tweet $$$ figures. Why ESPN? Because they couldn't afford to lose UNC to the B1G or FSU to the XII, conferences that aren't fully partnered with ESPN. FOX has a hand in both (and a substantial hand with the B1G).

The WWL understood this and I'm willing to bet sig space that they initiated the conversation with Swofford. For once, the ACC found itself in a position of ... wait for it.... wait.... LEVERAGE, and used it to get immediate money ($20M starting July 1) for the members.

I don't think ACC is getting 20 million for the 2013-14 season- sounds like the average per year though is now up to 20 instead of 17. So maybe 15-16 mil next year and then near the end up to 23-24 mil maybe..

CBSSports.com reported earlier Monday the ACC presidents were in the process of clearing the Grant of Rights with their departments. The agreement will go to 2026-27, the duration of the league's contract with ESPN.

Unless a league member decides to go to litigation to escape this down the road, the ACC believes a Grant of Rights will protect it from conference realignment poachers. Starting July 1, the ACC's annual media rights intake per school will surpass $20 million, according to a league source.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ights-deal

It'll be interesting to see if that gets updated, as the tweet he had earlier said average. It'd be really incredible if they jumped up to 20 for the 2013-14 season. remember the AVERAGE before was just 17 million. Just doesn't pass the smell test them goign to 20 million for next year already. Not how TV deals are done.

Normally it's not how it's done but it could have been a negotiating tactic from the ACC. The league wanted more money and a network, ESPN says ok but you'll need to sign a GOR. ACC says ok.

The ACC was grossly underpaid. The GOR was probably the leverage needed for both sides to get the contracts up to market.

(04-22-2013 01:46 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Looks like West Virginia is stuck on an island for the next 15 years.

The Big 12 wasn't getting anybody from the ACC, ever. They could always go after Cincy but they've stated about a thousand times that they're very happy at 10.

(04-22-2013 02:54 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't really see a long term gain for espn if the acc gets raided by the big 10. The only trade worthwhile to the acc/espn is the sec taking nc state and wake. Those two help the sec/espn get into NC but aren't vital to the acc who than can pick up new markets with uconn and cincy. If you take out major players from the acc to feed the big 10 and sec than the only thing worthwhile is for the acc leftovers to merge with the big 12. I guess you could send 2 to the big 10, 2 to the sec, than have a 11 team acc, no nd football, and create a 20 team acc/big 12 football only league.

ESPN has the SEC completely sewed up except for the 20 or so games CBS gets to pick. They will own or be a partner in nearly all SEC media through 2024

If they want to get the SEC more exposure in North Carolina it's really easy to do. They own nearly all SEC rights and all of the ACC. All they have to do is call AD's at the North Carolina schools and whatever SEC they like and offer to broker some home/home series. Arkansas State played Alabama a few years ago because ESPN put it together, the Red Wolves were supposed to play Penn State, ESPN wanted Penn State to play a bigger name team from an AQ league got that game put together then found out Bama had a vacancy to fill and got Bama to take ASU on the same terms Penn State had offered. These deals happen all the time.

What ESPN does not want is to be completely shut out of the Big 10 and that could happen come 2017.

Jeremy Fowler has a piece on the new SEC Network. They are estimating that by 2016 the SEC will be making $40 million PER TEAM and the expectation is that the Big 10 renegotiating their ABC/ESPN deal and growing BTN revenue will be at $40 million PER TEAM in 2016 or 2017 depending on when the deal gets done.

The ACC announcing that they are going to get their rights up to $20 million per team doesn't sound so impressive in light of that.

The Big 10 paid Maryland $20 million to join for a reason. They are assembling their inventory and if SEC is on track to get $40 million per team they will fight hard to get at least $40,000,000.01 per team.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ans-primer

(04-22-2013 12:40 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Jim Delany and his alleged 16-20 school Big Ten Conference just took one in the shorts if this news is true.

Delaney may just focus to the west... he has his northeast market, and the B1G in the Southeast would be like mixing oil and water anyway...

Here's something that may be telling.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...in-florida

(04-22-2013 03:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:54 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't really see a long term gain for espn if the acc gets raided by the big 10. The only trade worthwhile to the acc/espn is the sec taking nc state and wake. Those two help the sec/espn get into NC but aren't vital to the acc who than can pick up new markets with uconn and cincy. If you take out major players from the acc to feed the big 10 and sec than the only thing worthwhile is for the acc leftovers to merge with the big 12. I guess you could send 2 to the big 10, 2 to the sec, than have a 11 team acc, no nd football, and create a 20 team acc/big 12 football only league.

ESPN has the SEC completely sewed up except for the 20 or so games CBS gets to pick. They will own or be a partner in nearly all SEC media through 2024

If they want to get the SEC more exposure in North Carolina it's really easy to do. They own nearly all SEC rights and all of the ACC. All they have to do is call AD's at the North Carolina schools and whatever SEC they like and offer to broker some home/home series. Arkansas State played Alabama a few years ago because ESPN put it together, the Red Wolves were supposed to play Penn State, ESPN wanted Penn State to play a bigger name team from an AQ league got that game put together then found out Bama had a vacancy to fill and got Bama to take ASU on the same terms Penn State had offered. These deals happen all the time.

What ESPN does not want is to be completely shut out of the Big 10 and that could happen come 2017.

Jeremy Fowler has a piece on the new SEC Network. They are estimating that by 2016 the SEC will be making $40 million PER TEAM and the expectation is that the Big 10 renegotiating their ABC/ESPN deal and growing BTN revenue will be at $40 million PER TEAM in 2016 or 2017 depending on when the deal gets done.

The ACC announcing that they are going to get their rights up to $20 million per team doesn't sound so impressive in light of that.

The Big 10 paid Maryland $20 million to join for a reason. They are assembling their inventory and if SEC is on track to get $40 million per team they will fight hard to get at least $40,000,000.01 per team.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ans-primer

The SEC is the majority owner of the SECN. The B1G is not majority owner of the BTN.

(04-22-2013 03:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:54 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't really see a long term gain for espn if the acc gets raided by the big 10. The only trade worthwhile to the acc/espn is the sec taking nc state and wake. Those two help the sec/espn get into NC but aren't vital to the acc who than can pick up new markets with uconn and cincy. If you take out major players from the acc to feed the big 10 and sec than the only thing worthwhile is for the acc leftovers to merge with the big 12. I guess you could send 2 to the big 10, 2 to the sec, than have a 11 team acc, no nd football, and create a 20 team acc/big 12 football only league.

ESPN has the SEC completely sewed up except for the 20 or so games CBS gets to pick. They will own or be a partner in nearly all SEC media through 2024

If they want to get the SEC more exposure in North Carolina it's really easy to do. They own nearly all SEC rights and all of the ACC. All they have to do is call AD's at the North Carolina schools and whatever SEC they like and offer to broker some home/home series. Arkansas State played Alabama a few years ago because ESPN put it together, the Red Wolves were supposed to play Penn State, ESPN wanted Penn State to play a bigger name team from an AQ league got that game put together then found out Bama had a vacancy to fill and got Bama to take ASU on the same terms Penn State had offered. These deals happen all the time.

What ESPN does not want is to be completely shut out of the Big 10 and that could happen come 2017.

Jeremy Fowler has a piece on the new SEC Network. They are estimating that by 2016 the SEC will be making $40 million PER TEAM and the expectation is that the Big 10 renegotiating their ABC/ESPN deal and growing BTN revenue will be at $40 million PER TEAM in 2016 or 2017 depending on when the deal gets done.

The ACC announcing that they are going to get their rights up to $20 million per team doesn't sound so impressive in light of that.

The Big 10 paid Maryland $20 million to join for a reason. They are assembling their inventory and if SEC is on track to get $40 million per team they will fight hard to get at least $40,000,000.01 per team.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ans-primer

You do realize that projection is for EVERYTHING right? If you're going to make comparisons then be fair. The new 20 mil for the ACC is base TV revenue. Doesn't include NCAA credits, bowl payouts, playoff revenue, OB revenue, etc . etc. Definitely doesn't include revenue from a network so when the ACC adds one, they'll be in line with the other two. Maybe a few million behind but ahead of the Pac 12 and Big 12.

(04-22-2013 03:24 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 03:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:54 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't really see a long term gain for espn if the acc gets raided by the big 10. The only trade worthwhile to the acc/espn is the sec taking nc state and wake. Those two help the sec/espn get into NC but aren't vital to the acc who than can pick up new markets with uconn and cincy. If you take out major players from the acc to feed the big 10 and sec than the only thing worthwhile is for the acc leftovers to merge with the big 12. I guess you could send 2 to the big 10, 2 to the sec, than have a 11 team acc, no nd football, and create a 20 team acc/big 12 football only league.

ESPN has the SEC completely sewed up except for the 20 or so games CBS gets to pick. They will own or be a partner in nearly all SEC media through 2024

If they want to get the SEC more exposure in North Carolina it's really easy to do. They own nearly all SEC rights and all of the ACC. All they have to do is call AD's at the North Carolina schools and whatever SEC they like and offer to broker some home/home series. Arkansas State played Alabama a few years ago because ESPN put it together, the Red Wolves were supposed to play Penn State, ESPN wanted Penn State to play a bigger name team from an AQ league got that game put together then found out Bama had a vacancy to fill and got Bama to take ASU on the same terms Penn State had offered. These deals happen all the time.

What ESPN does not want is to be completely shut out of the Big 10 and that could happen come 2017.

Jeremy Fowler has a piece on the new SEC Network. They are estimating that by 2016 the SEC will be making $40 million PER TEAM and the expectation is that the Big 10 renegotiating their ABC/ESPN deal and growing BTN revenue will be at $40 million PER TEAM in 2016 or 2017 depending on when the deal gets done.

The ACC announcing that they are going to get their rights up to $20 million per team doesn't sound so impressive in light of that.

The Big 10 paid Maryland $20 million to join for a reason. They are assembling their inventory and if SEC is on track to get $40 million per team they will fight hard to get at least $40,000,000.01 per team.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ans-primer

The SEC is the majority owner of the SECN. The B1G is not majority owner of the BTN.

If they rake in $40 million per team, think they care?

(04-22-2013 11:59 AM)westmc9th Wrote:  Should have more info soon, ALL 15 members signed a GOR, including ND, Louisville, SU, and Pitt

If true......mods you might as well take this board down!

The Go5 conferences might still do some realignment, especially if they see the power conferences stabilizing with less chance of losing more teams. They might pull the trigger on something that they've been waiting on until everything else settled down.