(09-06-2013 02:21 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  If we go back to the Navy game a couple of years ago, the one we won, the same rule that hurt us on Hardy's catch last night, helped us to a win. By rule, I do not believe that Hardy's catch should have been a TD. Did he catch it, yes, but there is a stupid rule about completing the act of the catch or whatever. Either way, it was one heck of a play.

But...FAU's TD was NOT a catch.

I do find it funny that everyone wants to criticize ECU for not winning by enough, but did you look at our game plan? It was a lot different than the 4 or 5 days before. It looked like we were trying something completely different, and it worked. It wasn't pretty, and I think a lot of that had to do with the short week, but it worked. And, our defense looked pretty darn good compared to FAU's offense.

I'm fine with what we won by since we essentially were playing the backups almost the entire 4th quarter. We scored 31 in 3 quarters and made a pile of mistakes and had bad breaks. If that's a bad offensive performance then I'll take that every week.

(09-06-2013 01:55 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Yeah, if you couldn't see our OL had some issues you're blind. I don't care how many damn starts they had or whatever miscellaneous statistic somebody can throw out there on them and the run. They aren't living up to the hype as they were supposed to be a strength. I think if we pick a center and stop rotating 2 we'll be fine.

Yeah and it was a penalty fest and Carden didn't look very sharp or even throw for 200 yards either. Lets make some vast sweeping generaliztion about them as well. He must suck I guess. Give me a friggen break. No way I'm declaring something a weakness after 2 games that was a strenght last year when we return just about every piece there is and Cooper ran the ball at 5 yards a carry last night anyway. I think we were also one of the least penilized teams last year and had few in the first game. Trying to make these vast generalizations off of 1 or 2 games is a joke, especially when we our RB carrying the ball for 4.2 a carry behind about the same line he rank for 5.2 on 200 carries last year.

Looking at the drive chart, ECU only really had 2 TD drives:


11 plays, 81 yards (TD)
3 plays, -18 yards
3 plays, -2 yards
4 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 7 yards
4 plays, 37 yards
5 plays, 46 yards (prevent defense; end of half)

5 plays, 8 yards
4 plays, 22 yards (FG)
9 plays, 67 yards (TD)
2 plays, 18 yards
3 plays, 1 yard
4 plays, -1 yard
2 plays, 8 yards (end of game)

FAU played very well on defense.

(09-06-2013 02:28 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 01:55 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Yeah, if you couldn't see our OL had some issues you're blind. I don't care how many damn starts they had or whatever miscellaneous statistic somebody can throw out there on them and the run. They aren't living up to the hype as they were supposed to be a strength. I think if we pick a center and stop rotating 2 we'll be fine.

Yeah and it was a penalty fest and Carden didn't look very sharp or even throw for 200 yards either. Lets make some vast sweeping generaliztion about them as well. He must suck I guess. Give me a friggen break. No way I'm declaring something a weakness after 2 games that was a strenght last year when we return just about every piece there is and Cooper ran the ball at 5 yards a carry last night anyway. I think we were also one of the least penilized teams last year and had few in the first game. Trying to make these vast generalizations off of 1 or 2 games is a joke, especially when we our RB carrying the ball for 4.2 a carry behind about the same line he rank for 5.2 on 200 carries last year.

So all those offensive penalties aren't a reflection on the OL? Fact of the matter is they're playing sloppy as hell and that's a big part of it.

(09-06-2013 02:35 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Looking at the drive chart, ECU only really had 2 TD drives:


11 plays, 81 yards (TD)
3 plays, -18 yards
3 plays, -2 yards
4 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 7 yards
4 plays, 37 yards
5 plays, 46 yards (prevent defense; end of half)

5 plays, 8 yards
4 plays, 22 yards (FG)
9 plays, 67 yards (TD)
2 plays, 18 yards
3 plays, 1 yard
4 plays, -1 yard
2 plays, 8 yards (end of game)

FAU played very well on defense.

Sorry for having a long return and INTs. They SUCK when you're trying to have long TD series.

(09-06-2013 02:35 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Looking at the drive chart, ECU only really had 2 TD drives:


11 plays, 81 yards (TD)
3 plays, -18 yards
3 plays, -2 yards
4 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 7 yards
4 plays, 37 yards
5 plays, 46 yards (prevent defense; end of half)

5 plays, 8 yards
4 plays, 22 yards (FG)
9 plays, 67 yards (TD)
2 plays, 18 yards
3 plays, 1 yard
4 plays, -1 yard
2 plays, 8 yards (end of game)

FAU played very well on defense.

Here is a preview of the upcoming drives in the remaining LTU games:

1st Drive
Dixon left 3 yards;
Dixon right 3 yards:;
Dixon up the middle for 3 yards;
punt.

Next drive:
Quarterback throws a deep pass to no one in particular;
Dixon runs right for 7 yards
Quarterback sacked;
punt.

3rd Drive (assuming the defense can hold and punt return team can get the ball at least to midfield)

Dixon left for 3 yards;
Dixon right for 3 yards;
somebody other than Dixon runs up the middle (to confuse the defense);
measure for a 1st down. If you make a 1st down repeat drive number 3, if you don't make the 1st down bring in the field goal team.

FAU made some HUGE mistakes on Special Teams and Offense and if you do that against a team as talented as ECU you will lose. Props to ECU for taking full advantage of those opportunities and thats what a good team will do.

(09-06-2013 06:59 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Have to say not impressed by either team. FAU has some solid young players it seems, but obviously they have a lot of work to do offensively. ECU is not the juggernaut some make them out to be. If not for the long KO run back and the INT shortly after that set up the Hardy score, this game would have been dead even. ECU will get a test next game. Good luck. FAU looks to have a solid future if Pelini stays a while.

I don't understand your line of thinking. That's like saying that a basketball team would've lost if the other team didn't bust that last second three pointer, it really doesn't matter.

The kick return and INT are parts of the game that are supposed to set you up to score. It's not like they are some sort of anomaly to the sport.

(09-06-2013 02:45 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 02:35 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Looking at the drive chart, ECU only really had 2 TD drives:


11 plays, 81 yards (TD)
3 plays, -18 yards
3 plays, -2 yards
4 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 7 yards
4 plays, 37 yards
5 plays, 46 yards (prevent defense; end of half)

5 plays, 8 yards
4 plays, 22 yards (FG)
9 plays, 67 yards (TD)
2 plays, 18 yards
3 plays, 1 yard
4 plays, -1 yard
2 plays, 8 yards (end of game)

FAU played very well on defense.

Here is a preview of the upcoming drives in the remaining LTU games:

1st Drive
Dixon left 3 yards;
Dixon right 3 yards:;
Dixon up the middle for 3 yards;
punt.

Next drive:
Quarterback throws a deep pass to no one in particular;
Dixon runs right for 7 yards
Quarterback sacked;
punt.

3rd Drive (assuming the defense can hold and punt return team can get the ball at least to midfield)

Dixon left for 3 yards;
Dixon right for 3 yards;
somebody other than Dixon runs up the middle (to confuse the defense);
measure for a 1st down. If you make a 1st down repeat drive number 3, if you don't make the 1st down bring in the field goal team.

They will go for it, unsucessfully on 4th and 1's. Always go for it, and run it up the middle to a tail back that is deep behind the QB. He will be hit before he gets to the line of scrimmage.

Pirate Marv! You are making up fictitious stats to compare to real stats?

(09-06-2013 02:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 02:28 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 01:55 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Yeah, if you couldn't see our OL had some issues you're blind. I don't care how many damn starts they had or whatever miscellaneous statistic somebody can throw out there on them and the run. They aren't living up to the hype as they were supposed to be a strength. I think if we pick a center and stop rotating 2 we'll be fine.

Yeah and it was a penalty fest and Carden didn't look very sharp or even throw for 200 yards either. Lets make some vast sweeping generaliztion about them as well. He must suck I guess. Give me a friggen break. No way I'm declaring something a weakness after 2 games that was a strenght last year when we return just about every piece there is and Cooper ran the ball at 5 yards a carry last night anyway. I think we were also one of the least penilized teams last year and had few in the first game. Trying to make these vast generalizations off of 1 or 2 games is a joke, especially when we our RB carrying the ball for 4.2 a carry behind about the same line he rank for 5.2 on 200 carries last year.

So all those offensive penalties aren't a reflection on the OL? Fact of the matter is they're playing sloppy as hell and that's a big part of it.

Sure they were last night. It's early in the year. I think we were one of the least penalized teams last year and have 8 starters back on both sides of the ball. Not ready to declare that an issue at this point.

(09-06-2013 03:06 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Pirate Marv! You are making up fictitious stats to compare to real stats?

I am not kidding. You guys are playing for field position to get into field goal range. So there are going to be a bunch of dives straight up the gut by the smallest running back on your roster; which is only broken up by the occasional pitch out to the same running back which is supposedly going to catch defenses off guard but never does.

Now if Dixon is as good as Chris Johnson then Skippy is going to look like a genius. If Dixon is not as good as Chris Johnson then you LTU fans are going to have a lot frustrating and scary Saturdays until Thanksgiving; because if you guys get the lead forget about trying to expand on the lead. Skippy is pushing all of his chips into the middle of the table and betting on his defense.

(09-06-2013 03:05 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 02:45 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 02:35 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Looking at the drive chart, ECU only really had 2 TD drives:


11 plays, 81 yards (TD)
3 plays, -18 yards
3 plays, -2 yards
4 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 7 yards
4 plays, 37 yards
5 plays, 46 yards (prevent defense; end of half)

5 plays, 8 yards
4 plays, 22 yards (FG)
9 plays, 67 yards (TD)
2 plays, 18 yards
3 plays, 1 yard
4 plays, -1 yard
2 plays, 8 yards (end of game)

FAU played very well on defense.

Here is a preview of the upcoming drives in the remaining LTU games:

1st Drive
Dixon left 3 yards;
Dixon right 3 yards:;
Dixon up the middle for 3 yards;
punt.

Next drive:
Quarterback throws a deep pass to no one in particular;
Dixon runs right for 7 yards
Quarterback sacked;
punt.

3rd Drive (assuming the defense can hold and punt return team can get the ball at least to midfield)

Dixon left for 3 yards;
Dixon right for 3 yards;
somebody other than Dixon runs up the middle (to confuse the defense);
measure for a 1st down. If you make a 1st down repeat drive number 3, if you don't make the 1st down bring in the field goal team.

They will go for it, unsucessfully on 4th and 1's. Always go for it, and run it up the middle to a tail back that is deep behind the QB. He will be hit before he gets to the line of scrimmage.

I forgot about that. That is right. I remember that formation. Then you forgot the formation where tailback must stand at least 4 yards behind the quarterback who is already standing at least 5 yards behind the offensive line taking a damn shot gun snap. So now the tailback has to run at least 10 yards just to get 1 yard for the 1st down. And the kiling part is that there was always a a tight end or full back standing beside the quartback (I guess that is Skippy's version of the pistol offense) who the quarterback could have just thrown the ball to in the flats and that guy could have just run for the 1st down. I don't know if Pinkney ever threw to that guy standing beside him in the 2 years that bad shoulders Pinkney was our quarterback.

My bold prediction is that Southern Miss is going to kill LTU, because the Golden Eagles already know all Skippy's 1 play with the 4 different variations.

(09-06-2013 03:22 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 03:06 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Pirate Marv! You are making up fictitious stats to compare to real stats?

I am not kidding. You guys are playing for field position to get into field goal range. So there are going to be a bunch of dives straight up the gut by the smallest running back on your roster; which is only broken up by the occasional pitch out to the same running back which is supposedly going to catch defenses off guard but never does.

Don't forget the bubble screen.

(09-06-2013 03:06 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Pirate Marv! You are making up fictitious stats to compare to real stats?

Stats are for losers we won and by 18

(09-06-2013 02:21 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  If we go back to the Navy game a couple of years ago, the one we won, the same rule that hurt us on Hardy's catch last night, helped us to a win. By rule, I do not believe that Hardy's catch should have been a TD. Did he catch it, yes, but there is a stupid rule about completing the act of the catch or whatever. Either way, it was one heck of a play.

But...FAU's TD was NOT a catch.

I do find it funny that everyone wants to criticize ECU for not winning by enough, but did you look at our game plan? It was a lot different than the 4 or 5 days before. It looked like we were trying something completely different, and it worked. It wasn't pretty, and I think a lot of that had to do with the short week, but it worked. And, our defense looked pretty darn good compared to FAU's offense.

Wanted to establish the run (probably in part to rest Shane's arm and part because Coop is such a talented player who will get his touches no matter what)

(09-06-2013 02:45 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 02:35 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Looking at the drive chart, ECU only really had 2 TD drives:


11 plays, 81 yards (TD)
3 plays, -18 yards
3 plays, -2 yards
4 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 12 yards (TD)
3 plays, 7 yards
4 plays, 37 yards
5 plays, 46 yards (prevent defense; end of half)

5 plays, 8 yards
4 plays, 22 yards (FG)
9 plays, 67 yards (TD)
2 plays, 18 yards
3 plays, 1 yard
4 plays, -1 yard
2 plays, 8 yards (end of game)

FAU played very well on defense.

Here is a preview of the upcoming drives in the remaining LTU games:

1st Drive
Dixon left 3 yards;
Dixon right 3 yards:;
Dixon up the middle for 3 yards;
punt.

Next drive:
Quarterback throws a deep pass to no one in particular;
Dixon runs right for 7 yards
Quarterback sacked;
punt.

3rd Drive (assuming the defense can hold and punt return team can get the ball at least to midfield)

Dixon left for 3 yards;
Dixon right for 3 yards;
somebody other than Dixon runs up the middle (to confuse the defense);
measure for a 1st down. If you make a 1st down repeat drive number 3, if you don't make the 1st down bring in the field goal team.

(09-06-2013 03:47 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 03:06 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Pirate Marv! You are making up fictitious stats to compare to real stats?

Stats are for losers we won and by 18

Fake stats are for people who are butthurt over real stats.

(09-06-2013 03:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 03:22 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 03:06 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Pirate Marv! You are making up fictitious stats to compare to real stats?

I am not kidding. You guys are playing for field position to get into field goal range. So there are going to be a bunch of dives straight up the gut by the smallest running back on your roster; which is only broken up by the occasional pitch out to the same running back which is supposedly going to catch defenses off guard but never does.

Don't forget the bubble screen.

Yep the bubble screen. That's right that is another variation of Skippy's one play. Btw, IMO that was Pat Pinkney's favorite pass play. Hell let's be honest it was the only pass play that Pinkney could make with any kind of frequency. That play relied on DeWayne Harris football skills, because Skippy and Pinkney had no clue how those screens were going to end. Both of those guys ended up looking like geniuses when Harris was the option on that play.

Southern Miss knows that variation of that one play too. USM is going to be all over LTU like a cheap suit on November 9th. That game is going to be on CBSSports, so the whole country will get to see all of Skippy's offense in it's full glory. That is one game that Southern Miss will not lose.

(09-06-2013 03:15 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 02:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 02:28 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 01:55 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Yeah, if you couldn't see our OL had some issues you're blind. I don't care how many damn starts they had or whatever miscellaneous statistic somebody can throw out there on them and the run. They aren't living up to the hype as they were supposed to be a strength. I think if we pick a center and stop rotating 2 we'll be fine.

Yeah and it was a penalty fest and Carden didn't look very sharp or even throw for 200 yards either. Lets make some vast sweeping generaliztion about them as well. He must suck I guess. Give me a friggen break. No way I'm declaring something a weakness after 2 games that was a strenght last year when we return just about every piece there is and Cooper ran the ball at 5 yards a carry last night anyway. I think we were also one of the least penilized teams last year and had few in the first game. Trying to make these vast generalizations off of 1 or 2 games is a joke, especially when we our RB carrying the ball for 4.2 a carry behind about the same line he rank for 5.2 on 200 carries last year.

So all those offensive penalties aren't a reflection on the OL? Fact of the matter is they're playing sloppy as hell and that's a big part of it.

Sure they were last night. It's early in the year. I think we were one of the least penalized teams last year and have 8 starters back on both sides of the ball. Not ready to declare that an issue at this point.

Either the FAU had the upper hand in the trenches..or our O line was not sharp last night. I imagine our O line coach is concerned with what Buss and I saw. I am hoping we were just not sharp due to the short week and against VT they will be ready. If not?..it is going to be ugly on Saturday. The O line is supposed to be our strength. It was not that last night.