(12-05-2014 02:34 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  Before I type this, I am not flaming. Is CUSA a good move for a Sun Belt team these days? I don't know the finances of such a move?

I think App would be a nice fit for CUSA.

Oh youre talking sense now.

Tsk Tsk

(12-05-2014 12:12 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  you guys continue to leave out one of the strongest and likeliest candidates out there.

but carry on with your bias and ignorance against us.

Ignorance?

Advantages for JMU include athletic budget, commitment to football, and most facilities.

Disadvantages:
-Location: JMU is in the east, CUSA needs west.
-Classification: JMU is FCS so to balance football would take two years.
-Market: JMU is in a micro TV market. Protestations aside, JMU alumni in the DC metro area amount to less than 1/2 of one percent of the population. That likely doesn't move the advertiser's meters. Not being in that DMA means no guaranteed broadcast rights and no carrier fees.
-Basketball: CUSA needs quality in the other revenue sport, men's basketball. JMU seemingly has little or no commitment to MBB, and has less than stellar basketball facilities.
-Type: Some posters have stated that CUSA has but two regional Universities, and as such should pursue National universities.
(I am not sure of the veracity of this.) JMU is a regional university.

The CUSA TV contract expires June of 2016. They will probably start negotiations fall of 2015.

This is an important factor as to whether the conference wants to hold at 14 or grow to 16. Normally you would want to just reload with 1 school since the value is locked in.

They might want to pitch a 16 team package with NMSU, ULL, UMass to make a greater sum of parts argument for TV. UMass I believe will need all sports for CUSA but might pull the trigger on it if the TV returns look good enough.

As to the Ohio school rumor....I think you have to remember what CUSA is.....mostly a collection of smaller public schools outside of the FL/TX group. OU's enrollment is too large to be in a conference with Marshall, USM and LaTech. 23,000 main campus 39,000 counting 3 medical schools across the state.

Toledo and Akron need MAC membership to legitimize their academics.

Miami Oh might make the most sense for CUSA because they are the smallest school in the MAC and their fans don't like to be compared with MAC schools academically. They might see CUSA as a set of schools that share more of their characteristics.

look who it is ! ODU78, the huge:

(12-05-2014 03:12 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  look who it is ! ODU78, the huge:

ad hominem remarks neither refute the facts, the conclusions, nor do they add to the conversation.

(12-05-2014 03:16 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:12 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  look who it is ! ODU78, the huge:

ad hominem remarks neither refute the facts, the conclusions, nor do they add to the conversation.

using latin does not refute the fact that you are a huge:




who thinks he knows what he is talking about and never passes an opportunity to try and act like an "expert" on JMU.

JMU is more on deck for the MAC or SBC once CUSA is done picking.

As an Ohio fan, I would love to see Toledo move to CUSA, BGSU to the MAC West and JMU to the MAC East. That way the MAC would have some nice rivalries with CUSA.....Ohio/Marshall, Toledo/BG.....JMU/ODU....then Miami/UC with the AAC.

Substance good. Makes one seem educated.

Attempts at humorous insults bad. Makes one seem like they have to look for a substitute for less education.

Not taking sides here. I think a lot of JMU. Just voicing a principle.

(12-05-2014 03:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The CUSA TV contract expires June of 2016. They will probably start negotiations fall of 2015.

This is an important factor as to whether the conference wants to hold at 14 or grow to 16. Normally you would want to just reload with 1 school since the value is locked in.

They might want to pitch a 16 team package with NMSU, ULL, UMass to make a greater sum of parts argument for TV. UMass I believe will need all sports for CUSA but might pull the trigger on it if the TV returns look good enough.

As to the Ohio school rumor....I think you have to remember what CUSA is.....mostly a collection of smaller public schools outside of the FL/TX group. OU's enrollment is too large to be in a conference with Marshall, USM and LaTech. 23,000 main campus 39,000 counting 3 medical schools across the state.

Toledo and Akron need MAC membership to legitimize their academics.

Miami Oh might make the most sense for CUSA because they are the smallest school in the MAC and their fans don't like to be compared with MAC schools academically. They might see CUSA as a set of schools that share more of their characteristics.

Interesting times and for my favorite ODU poster.


MACtion cold November night in Amherst - Nov 12

(12-05-2014 03:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The CUSA TV contract expires June of 2016. They will probably start negotiations fall of 2015.

This is an important factor as to whether the conference wants to hold at 14 or grow to 16. Normally you would want to just reload with 1 school since the value is locked in.

They might want to pitch a 16 team package with NMSU, ULL, UMass to make a greater sum of parts argument for TV. UMass I believe will need all sports for CUSA but might pull the trigger on it if the TV returns look good enough.

As to the Ohio school rumor....I think you have to remember what CUSA is.....mostly a collection of smaller public schools outside of the FL/TX group. OU's enrollment is too large to be in a conference with Marshall, USM and LaTech. 23,000 main campus 39,000 counting 3 medical schools across the state.

Toledo and Akron need MAC membership to legitimize their academics.

Miami Oh might make the most sense for CUSA because they are the smallest school in the MAC and their fans don't like to be compared with MAC schools academically. They might see CUSA as a set of schools that share more of their characteristics.

If you are CUSA commissioner do you move now or wait to try to see if there is anything to the potential Big XII raid of the AAC. You maybe don't want to add a team today because of the push by a school that will then be gone. And if you are at risk of losing someone do you want to add one today and then feel the need to add one in two months to backfill when maybe you get raided lose one and you are at 12.

(12-05-2014 03:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The CUSA TV contract expires June of 2016. They will probably start negotiations fall of 2015.

This is an important factor as to whether the conference wants to hold at 14 or grow to 16. Normally you would want to just reload with 1 school since the value is locked in.

They might want to pitch a 16 team package with NMSU, ULL, UMass to make a greater sum of parts argument for TV. UMass I believe will need all sports for CUSA but might pull the trigger on it if the TV returns look good enough.

As to the Ohio school rumor....I think you have to remember what CUSA is.....mostly a collection of smaller public schools outside of the FL/TX group. OU's enrollment is too large to be in a conference with Marshall, USM and LaTech. 23,000 main campus 39,000 counting 3 medical schools across the state.

Toledo and Akron need MAC membership to legitimize their academics.

Miami Oh might make the most sense for CUSA because they are the smallest school in the MAC and their fans don't like to be compared with MAC schools academically. They might see CUSA as a set of schools that share more of their characteristics.

If you are CUSA commissioner do you move now or wait to try to see if there is anything to the potential Big XII raid of the AAC. You maybe don't want to add a team today because of the push by a school that will then be gone. And if you are at risk of losing someone do you want to add one today and then feel the need to add one in two months to backfill when maybe you get raided lose one and you are at 12.

Good points. I think you have your internal discussions, compare the notes you have from the last invitations were sent out, and wait at least until late spring when other movement plus the UAB Olympic sports question is either resolved or vetted.

(12-05-2014 03:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The CUSA TV contract expires June of 2016. They will probably start negotiations fall of 2015.

This is an important factor as to whether the conference wants to hold at 14 or grow to 16. Normally you would want to just reload with 1 school since the value is locked in.

They might want to pitch a 16 team package with NMSU, ULL, UMass to make a greater sum of parts argument for TV. UMass I believe will need all sports for CUSA but might pull the trigger on it if the TV returns look good enough.

As to the Ohio school rumor....I think you have to remember what CUSA is.....mostly a collection of smaller public schools outside of the FL/TX group. OU's enrollment is too large to be in a conference with Marshall, USM and LaTech. 23,000 main campus 39,000 counting 3 medical schools across the state.

Toledo and Akron need MAC membership to legitimize their academics.

Miami Oh might make the most sense for CUSA because they are the smallest school in the MAC and their fans don't like to be compared with MAC schools academically. They might see CUSA as a set of schools that share more of their characteristics.

If you are CUSA commissioner do you move now or wait to try to see if there is anything to the potential Big XII raid of the AAC. You maybe don't want to add a team today because of the push by a school that will then be gone. And if you are at risk of losing someone do you want to add one today and then feel the need to add one in two months to backfill when maybe you get raided lose one and you are at 12.

At the end of the day, the smart move is to wait on the B12. Doing that would also give you more certainty in the east/west balance.

(12-05-2014 03:48 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The CUSA TV contract expires June of 2016. They will probably start negotiations fall of 2015.

This is an important factor as to whether the conference wants to hold at 14 or grow to 16. Normally you would want to just reload with 1 school since the value is locked in.

They might want to pitch a 16 team package with NMSU, ULL, UMass to make a greater sum of parts argument for TV. UMass I believe will need all sports for CUSA but might pull the trigger on it if the TV returns look good enough.

As to the Ohio school rumor....I think you have to remember what CUSA is.....mostly a collection of smaller public schools outside of the FL/TX group. OU's enrollment is too large to be in a conference with Marshall, USM and LaTech. 23,000 main campus 39,000 counting 3 medical schools across the state.

Toledo and Akron need MAC membership to legitimize their academics.

Miami Oh might make the most sense for CUSA because they are the smallest school in the MAC and their fans don't like to be compared with MAC schools academically. They might see CUSA as a set of schools that share more of their characteristics.

Interesting times and for my favorite ODU poster.


MACtion cold November night in Amherst - Nov 12

Indeed. UMass was competitive this season, and there is no reason to believe that it isn't going to get better.
As I posted on other threads; with a new on-campus stadium, good media market, and being a state Flagship, UMass would be a viable, FB only addition to CUSA despite the geography.

(12-05-2014 02:47 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  GaSo fills in a geographic hole in the footprint, whereas Appy doesn't.

Personally, I am not in favor of a move to CUSA. I think we are a better fit in the Sun Belt. Also, I don't think we would make a move without App... I have nothing to back that up, just a feeling.

(12-05-2014 04:02 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:48 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The CUSA TV contract expires June of 2016. They will probably start negotiations fall of 2015.

This is an important factor as to whether the conference wants to hold at 14 or grow to 16. Normally you would want to just reload with 1 school since the value is locked in.

They might want to pitch a 16 team package with NMSU, ULL, UMass to make a greater sum of parts argument for TV. UMass I believe will need all sports for CUSA but might pull the trigger on it if the TV returns look good enough.

As to the Ohio school rumor....I think you have to remember what CUSA is.....mostly a collection of smaller public schools outside of the FL/TX group. OU's enrollment is too large to be in a conference with Marshall, USM and LaTech. 23,000 main campus 39,000 counting 3 medical schools across the state.

Toledo and Akron need MAC membership to legitimize their academics.

Miami Oh might make the most sense for CUSA because they are the smallest school in the MAC and their fans don't like to be compared with MAC schools academically. They might see CUSA as a set of schools that share more of their characteristics.

Interesting times and for my favorite ODU poster.


MACtion cold November night in Amherst - Nov 12

Indeed. UMass was competitive this season, and there is no reason to believe that it isn't going to get better.
As I posted on other threads; with a new on-campus stadium, good media market, and being a state Flagship, UMass would be a viable, FB only addition to CUSA despite the geography.

I disagree. I think UMass would be a great all sports addition but without their basketball I just don't think it would be a good move for C-USA.

(12-05-2014 04:02 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Indeed. UMass was competitive this season, and there is no reason to believe that it isn't going to get better.
As I posted on other threads; with a new on-campus stadium, good media market, and being a state Flagship, UMass would be a viable, FB only addition to CUSA despite the geography.

No one wants UMass as a football only add; not the MAC, not the Sun Belt and certainly not C-USA. 12 is the number. The MWC is at 12, the AAC is at 12 (once Navy arrives) and I think C-USA will be content to move in that direction as well.

Until the math changes, there's no real reason to add schools and esp. not football only's.

(12-05-2014 04:10 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:47 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  GaSo fills in a geographic hole in the footprint, whereas Appy doesn't.

Personally, I am not in favor of a move to CUSA. I think we are a better fit in the Sun Belt. Also, I don't think we would make a move without App... I have nothing to back that up, just a feeling.

The way it works is if you are asked, you have to move. Otherwise, a school such as App takes the spot instead. Then you are left without either.

(12-05-2014 02:00 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:57 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:52 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:34 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The property is very useful for the university academically, but given the issues with fan interest, I can't see them spending tens of millions of dollars to repurpose and maintain the stadium. In the end, using the new Falcons stadium that will have curtains to give a smaller feel for soccer games is the prudent move.

They had outstanding attendance their first year. But then they became really, really bad and people quit showing up. Surprise!

I think Turner Field is the best hope for them to succeed. And they will use it with their baseball program as well. Its a nice recruiting angle. "See that outfield wall? That's where Hank Aaron hit #715."

It really fits in well with their plan to become more of a residential campus and less of a commuter campus.

It is a risk, but so is any building program.

If you're selling a wall that had significance over 40 years ago to recruits of a different sport who probably have never even heard of Hank Aaron (or like baseball), you're grasping at straws.

You an theoretically "sell" Atlanta to recruits, fGSU has just done a terrible job of it thus far.

Baseball player...

...never heard of Hank Aaron.
[/fantasy]

sure buddy



So when are you going stop selling fGSU when even Georgia Southern isnt doing that?

Get.of.their.jock.

Read above homie, I thought they were talking about selling it to football players. Who cares about college baseball anyway though? Women's basketball is almost as popular.

Also, Southern has more wins in FBS this season than fGSU will have for years to come.

Get.A.Win.First.

You don't understand the deep south's love affair with college baseball. In fact there are a ton of schools who would rank their sports in this order, football, men's basketball, baseball, softball then women's basketball. I wouldn't expect a nothern school to understand that.

If you are looking at quality of the entire program as the deciding factor the choice is very easy.

(12-05-2014 04:00 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  At the end of the day, the smart move is to wait on the B12.

Waiting on the Big 12 = Waiting For Godot.

(12-05-2014 04:25 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 04:02 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Indeed. UMass was competitive this season, and there is no reason to believe that it isn't going to get better.
As I posted on other threads; with a new on-campus stadium, good media market, and being a state Flagship, UMass would be a viable, FB only addition to CUSA despite the geography.

No one wants UMass as a football only add; not the MAC, not the Sun Belt and certainly not C-USA. 12 is the number. The MWC is at 12, the AAC is at 12 (once Navy arrives) and I think C-USA will be content to move in that direction as well.

Until the math changes, there's no real reason to add schools and esp. not football only's.

I agree. I don't think there is any reason to knee jerk replace UAB. I also agree that 12 is the appropriate number.

The scenario was that somehow CUSA makes an exception or amends the bylaws to allow UAB to stay. Subsequently there is a consensus to balance football.

In that scenario I think that UMass is a good fit. I am not aware of many other FBS programs that would be available for FB only. Idaho, NMSU?
We could add UMass without poaching.