(07-19-2015 09:41 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(07-18-2015 10:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-18-2015 09:48 AM)Policiious Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 05:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 05:37 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://www.wvillustrated.com/story/29565...-expansion

I've seen crazier things but I doubt USF goes w/ UCF (over-saturation).

If the Big 12 did go to Florida, I would add both to get critical mass.

You aren't adding a flagship and you have 3 giants ahead of you in the pecking order (as well as two conferences).

While UCF is not a flagship; they not only have the largest undergrad student body in Florida also the largest in the entire Southeastern US. Plus they are in a somewhat major market which FSU & Florida are not. Adding 1 program in Florida also gives the B12 the opportunity to take another run at BYU for football only, if they so desire.

I do not think Big 12 wants to have an uneven number for all sports when the football is at even. Who would you add for #12 all sports besides football? Wichita State? Creighton? Evansville? Denver? Omaha? (that would get under Nebraska's Husks.), Wisconsin-Milwaukee? VCU? George Mason? Hofstra?

Saint Louis - I'm sure the Billikens would love to tell the Big East they're tired of waiting.

They have a great arena also. Spent $80M ? on the construction. If anyone travels through St Louis you should stop by and check it out. Very close to Busch Stadium,

(07-19-2015 06:10 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(07-18-2015 01:35 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(07-18-2015 01:14 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(07-18-2015 12:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-18-2015 11:24 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  This is in fact categorically wrong.

Its a fact even though you see through yellowish glasses:
Last 4 years top 10:
BYU 59,948
ECU 46,744
USF 38,519
UCF 37,197
Army 34,440
SDSU 34,094
Boise 34,073
Navy 33,766
Fresno 33,002
UConn 32,433

Add men's hoops and the numbers change, this is 14, other years to follow

BYU 15875
SDSU 12414
UCONN 10134
Boise 6810
Fresno 6776 in a down year
UCF 5298
ECU 4434
USF 4406
Navy 2062
Army 1399
13
15986 BYU
12414 SDSU
10728 UCONN
Fresno 7042
Boise 6394
USF 5389
ECU 4659
UCF 4523


Strong case for adding SDST & Fresno. SDST's attendance will rise as the Chargers will soon be moving from San Diego to Carson(LA) in a co op stadium with the Raiders. The 17th largest market will have only 1 Major Pro Sport while Fresno is #56 sized market with no pro sports to compete with.

California has as large a recruiting base as Florida with the added benefit that Florida is much more heavily worked by most programs from outside the state/region than California is.

Until one of the other P5 conferences takes the plunge and invites SDST & or Fresno State the 12 PAC has a large advantage over the other conference in that it's top talent is not nearly as heavily recruited by programs outside it's region. The Oregon's & USC"s have an easier path to the Football title game because of it.

Memphis has had an average basketball attendance of 16519 over the last 7 years. Which would make them tops on your list of G5s and also #1 in the Big 12 over Kansas.

Memphis would be a great fit fot B12 in hoops but just starting to realize football success and football attendance not in top 10 for G5. California is a much better recruiting area than Tennessee. SDSU draws well in both major sports which is why it should be a prime candidate for the B12. Fresno does pretty well also.

In 2014, the Tigers averaged over 33,000 in attendance. Not great, but respectable by G5 standards. For the last three years, they've had some of the highest percentage increases in attendance. All signs point to the same for this year (10,000 at spring game and ^ season tix sales...Ole Miss at home doesn't hurt either). They may or may not average 40,000 in 2015 depending on weather and performance, but top ten if not top 5 G5 is very realistic. Memphis attendance is trending in the right direction. Will it be be too little too late? Time will tell.

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 7mSorry, Houston, Cincinnati, UCF, BYU, Memphis, Boise, USF & rest of Group of 5 Brett McMurphy added,
Max Olson @max_olson
Bowlsby: "It is my understanding at present time that majority of our presidents/chancellors believe 10 is right number for us."

(07-19-2015 06:27 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  The issue i see with Boise and SDSU or Fresno is Bowlsby let slip they DO NOT WANT TO GO WEST. Leave that stuff to Fievel and focus on the Midwest/Eastern

If they are taking that option off the table they are idiots. San Diego County is the 5th most populous nationally(3.3M). Alone has a larger population than Iowa, Kansas, Arkansas, Utah or Mississippi. Only 500K smaller than Oklahoma or Nebraska & WVA combined. Within the next 2-3 years the only major pro sport in SD County will be baseball. SD ST football plays in a 70K+ seat stadium of which they will soon be the only tenant. Drew just under 200K for hoops with only 16 home games last year which is more than nearly all G5's draw for football. Fresno drew just under 129K for hoops (19 games) which is more than many G5's draw for football.

If the B12 wants to keep handing the 12 PAC a golden ticket to the Football Playoffs don't expand West.

(07-20-2015 10:06 AM)Policiious Wrote:  If they are taking that option off the table they are idiots. San Diego County is the 5th most populous nationally(3.3M). Alone has a larger population than Iowa, Kansas, Arkansas, Utah or Mississippi. Only 500K smaller than Oklahoma or Nebraska & WVA combined.

Not a big deal, but San Diego's metro area population of 3.2 million ranks 19th in the US among CSA's, 28th among TV Markets. The county population rank, much like city rank, is mostly arbitrary as it is just about where the lines are drawn: it is either CSA or TV market numbers that count, depending on what you are looking for. It is really stretching and construing things to make this statement work.


Also if Oklahoma has nearly 4 million people (3.9 million), Nebraska has nearly 2 million people (1.9 million), and WV has another 2 million (1.85 million), how on earth does San Diego's 3.2 million add up to 500k less than 7.7 million people? If anything it is closer to 500k less than half.

If in fact the B12 is satisfied with 10 teams and having a presence in just 4 of the nation's top 50 markets (Houston, Dallas, San Antonio & KC), over time the American with a presence in Orlando, Tampa St Pete, Dallas, Houston, Cinncinatti, Philadelphia, Memphis & North Carolina and the MWC with a presence in Denver, Las Vegas, San Diego & Central California have the opportunity to overtake it in TV ratings if not attendance in hoops if not football.

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 6m6 minutes ago
Gary Pinkel said no independents in @CFBPlayoff. “Give Notre Dame year to join a league. They don’t have independents in NFL"


Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 15m15 minutes ago
Mizzou’s Gary Pinkel: “It’s real important that all (Power 5) conferences have a championship game"

Just because it seems fitting

(07-20-2015 10:55 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 6m6 minutes ago
Gary Pinkel said no independents in @CFBPlayoff. “Give Notre Dame year to join a league. They don’t have independents in NFL"


Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 15m15 minutes ago
Mizzou’s Gary Pinkel: “It’s real important that all (Power 5) conferences have a championship game"

Just because it seems fitting

amazing that he also posted:

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 7mSorry, Houston, Cincinnati, UCF, BYU, Memphis, Boise, USF & rest of Group of 5 Brett McMurphy added,
Max Olson @max_olson
Bowlsby: "It is my understanding at present time that majority of our presidents/chancellors believe 10 is right number for us."


so which is it? sounds like a boat load of confusion. bottom line, nobody expected invites this summer. that satisfies "at this present time 10 is the right number"

next summer........ 10 very well could be an unacceptable number "AT THAT TIME".

(07-20-2015 10:18 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-20-2015 10:06 AM)Policiious Wrote:  If they are taking that option off the table they are idiots. San Diego County is the 5th most populous nationally(3.3M). Alone has a larger population than Iowa, Kansas, Arkansas, Utah or Mississippi. Only 500K smaller than Oklahoma or Nebraska & WVA combined.

Not a big deal, but San Diego's metro area population of 3.2 million ranks 19th in the US among CSA's, 28th among TV Markets. The county population rank, much like city rank, is mostly arbitrary as it is just about where the lines are drawn: it is either CSA or TV market numbers that count, depending on what you are looking for. It is really stretching and construing things to make this statement work.
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Also if Oklahoma has nearly 4 million people (3.9 million), Nebraska has nearly 2 million people (1.9 million), and WV has another 2 million (1.85 million), how on earth does San Diego's 3.2 million add up to 500k less than 7.7 million people? If anything it is closer to 500k less than half.

You misunderstood my statement; SD County at 3.3M
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th...ted_States

is nearly within 500K of Oklahoma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U....rowth_rate
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Further SD County grew by 5.5% or 168K between 2010 & 2014 while Oklahoma grew by 3.3% or 126K. SD County is gaining on Oklahoma in population size and based on current population growth rates will surpass it.

OR

Nebraska & West Virginia's combined population is 3.73M and grew by 24K between 2010 & 2014. SD County at it's present growth rate will surpass both states combined population by 2030 at the latest and likely Sooner (pun unintended).

By 2030 SD County will be at or approaching 4M. A conference that has such a small number of major markets in it's footprint as the Big 12 does had better get in the business of expansion before it gets gobbled up by the Big 10, SEC and/or ACC

(07-20-2015 10:55 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 6m6 minutes ago
Gary Pinkel said no independents in @CFBPlayoff. “Give Notre Dame year to join a league. They don’t have independents in NFL"


Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 15m15 minutes ago
Mizzou’s Gary Pinkel: “It’s real important that all (Power 5) conferences have a championship game"

Just because it seems fitting

They also have fair and balanced scheduling in the NFL. You don't have a P5 and G5 dichotomy in the NFL. You don't see the NFC East playing payday home games against NFL development teams the second to last week of the season. Give me a break!