(08-16-2016 03:01 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Who wants to bet his source is Mike Tranghese?

If he is advising them on this move, well, he has a history of propelling things downward so, why not?


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(08-16-2016 04:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:05 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  If UConn wants improved basketball - and not as the expense of cannibalizing football - they should work with Aresco on bringing in more basketball programs, starting with Wichita State.

There are many ways this could go.

But that still won't match the Big East payout of $4 million which could go more with UConn in the fold.

We have no idea what Aresco has up his sleeve right now, and who he's negotiating with (including expansion options... one of which may tear apart your MWC)...

We know why you're here, MWC Tex... It's cool.

(08-16-2016 03:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:35 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Hey by all means enjoy trying independent.

This.

If UConn wants to be a basketball-only school I have no issue with that.

Tranghese is off his rocker if he thinks the AAC will prop up UConn FB only

^ unlike the UMass football situation in the MAC or NM State/Idaho in the Sunbelt, UConn (especially if the AAC loses Cincy and Houston, or Cincy+Houston+Memphis) would essentially become the Texas of the conference and potentially have a lot of leverage due to the Big East existing. The AAC after getting kicked in the nads by the B12 isn't exactly in any position of strength anymore in keeping a team like UConn, Temple or Memphis from moving their basketball to the Big East because the AAC is basically desperate to glue the pieces together to avoid the conference from completely imploding, so it Aresco is in a bind in trying to avoid losing yet another big name from the conference.

So how much can the exit fee be reduced if say UC/UH are gone before UConn bails. You can't expect to get 10 mill outta them.

(08-16-2016 04:12 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:35 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Hey by all means enjoy trying independent.

This.

If UConn wants to be a basketball-only school I have no issue with that.

Tranghese is off his rocker if he thinks the AAC will prop up UConn FB only

^ unlike the UMass football situation in the MAC or NM State/Idaho in the Sunbelt, UConn (especially if the AAC loses Cincy and Houston, or Cincy+Houston+Memphis) would essentially become the Texas of the conference and potentially have a lot of leverage due to the Big East existing. The AAC after getting kicked in the nads by the B12 isn't exactly in any position of strength anymore in keeping a team like UConn, Temple or Memphis from moving their basketball to the Big East because the AAC is basically desperate to glue the pieces together to avoid the conference from completely imploding, so it Aresco is in a bind in trying to avoid losing yet another big name from the conference.

Navy is the Texas of the AAC.

(08-16-2016 04:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So how much can the exit fee be reduced if say UC/UH are gone before UConn bails. You can't expect to get 10 mill outta them.

Yep. Every one of them. It doesn't matter who leaves first.

(08-16-2016 04:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So how much can the exit fee be reduced if say UC/UH are gone before UConn bails. You can't expect to get 10 mill outta them.

Good point--UConn leaving would be walking away from their piece of the $20M in exit fees from whoever goes to the Big 12.

(08-16-2016 04:12 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:35 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Hey by all means enjoy trying independent.

This.

If UConn wants to be a basketball-only school I have no issue with that.

Tranghese is off his rocker if he thinks the AAC will prop up UConn FB only

^ unlike the UMass football situation in the MAC or NM State/Idaho in the Sunbelt, UConn (especially if the AAC loses Cincy and Houston, or Cincy+Houston+Memphis) would essentially become the Texas of the conference and potentially have a lot of leverage due to the Big East existing. The AAC after getting kicked in the nads by the B12 isn't exactly in any position of strength anymore in keeping a team like UConn, Temple or Memphis from moving their basketball to the Big East because the AAC is basically desperate to glue the pieces together to avoid the conference from completely imploding, so it Aresco is in a bind in trying to avoid losing yet another big name from the conference.

In this case UConn would want to replace UH/UC w/ who? UMass, ODU? UMass, Charlotte?

(08-16-2016 04:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:01 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  $10M seems like a lot, but if you project over 10 years plus likelihood of NCAA bids over that time given a depleted AAC bball roster ...

It isn't just $10 million, it's also the rest of their remaining share of the Big East war chest from the C7 departure. I'd have to go back and search through to see how much more the 3 legacy members are getting per year but I believe it's roughly 3 million per through the end of the TV deal. TV deal expires in 2020. So you are talking about over 20 million to what best case scenario go to the MAC?

If UConn sees it as a good idea in general (BE/MAC or BE/indy), then the war chest money isn't going to be a deal-breaker.

Let's say the war chest was $100M, was split 50-50 old schools/new schools, and paid out over seven years. So that's $50M after splitting with the "NBE" schools, divided by 3 with USF and Cincy is about $17M, about $2.5M a year. It's already 2016-17, so we'd be talking at the most 2017-18, -19, -20. So about $4.5M, or more likely about $3M.

If Sad Drunk Husky makes the call that UConn to the Big Ten or ACC is never ever happening, and they need to act to save UConn hoops at the expense of the "football experiment," then an extra $5M isn't going to stop them.

(NOTE: I think the most likely scenario is that UConn is wildly overestimating their importance, thinking that they have their pick of G5 football-only offers.)

I think the split was higher than that for the legacy schools, but again I don't fully remember. I know that the 3 remaining members worked it out so they are not making less than they were under the previous Big East TV deal throughout the entirety of the AAC deal. Either way it's always been overblown for the 3 remaining about making "less than the Big East."

(08-16-2016 04:16 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:14 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So how much can the exit fee be reduced if say UC/UH are gone before UConn bails. You can't expect to get 10 mill outta them.

Good point--UConn leaving would be walking away from their piece of the $20M in exit fees from whoever goes to the Big 12.

If you keep it up you're going to convince me I want UCONN to leave LOL.

Let's try to remember that there is more to an athletic department than it's share of conference television revenue.

UConn's last public figures showed a budget of $72 million of that $44 million was self-generate and conference revenue.
Presumably AAC revenue reflects a far smaller portion of that budget than what they generate from extracting seating priority donations, tickets, and local sponsorships and the bulk of that is from men's and women's basketball.

Those sports are the golden egg for UConn. If maintaining or even enhancing that revenue means asking and being rejected for football only AAC, football only MAC, football only CUSA and trying to play November games against New Mexico State, UMass and Army to fill out an indy schedule that is what they will do and it is extremely logical.

(08-16-2016 04:08 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:05 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  If UConn wants improved basketball - and not as the expense of cannibalizing football - they should work with Aresco on bringing in more basketball programs, starting with Wichita State.

There are many ways this could go.

Nah. Also, aren't we too far from the plains, or is that just a point people bring up regarding the B12?

That's a point Bob Diaco made.

(08-16-2016 03:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It would really come down to the answers to the questions: a) could UConn live with an independent football program in the NE like UMass, and b) could the Big East live with adding UConn when it knows that they'd leave for an ACC, B12, or Big Ten invite, should that day ever come?

If the ACC votes to go with the 8+2 scheduling format and an independent UConn could count as one of those P5 requirements along with ND and BYU, then I think they could have a whole bunch of ACC schools on their future schedules.

(08-16-2016 04:22 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Let's try to remember that there is more to an athletic department than it's share of conference television revenue.

UConn's last public figures showed a budget of $72 million of that $44 million was self-generate and conference revenue.
Presumably AAC revenue reflects a far smaller portion of that budget than what they generate from extracting seating priority donations, tickets, and local sponsorships and the bulk of that is from men's and women's basketball.

Those sports are the golden egg for UConn. If maintaining or even enhancing that revenue means asking and being rejected for football only AAC, football only MAC, football only CUSA and trying to play November games against New Mexico State, UMass and Army to fill out an indy schedule that is what they will do and it is extremely logical.

Logical... Until the realignment tectonic plates start shifting again and their football program is still garbage.

(08-16-2016 04:26 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It would really come down to the answers to the questions: a) could UConn live with an independent football program in the NE like UMass, and b) could the Big East live with adding UConn when it knows that they'd leave for an ACC, B12, or Big Ten invite, should that day ever come?

If the ACC votes to go with the 8+2 scheduling format and an independent UConn could count as one of those P5 requirements along with ND and BYU, then I think they could have a whole bunch of ACC schools on their future schedules.

UConn football doesn't have the stroke to count as a P5 equivalent.

(08-16-2016 04:22 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:08 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:05 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  If UConn wants improved basketball - and not as the expense of cannibalizing football - they should work with Aresco on bringing in more basketball programs, starting with Wichita State.

There are many ways this could go.

Nah. Also, aren't we too far from the plains, or is that just a point people bring up regarding the B12?

Pretty sure he was talking about a UConn to BYU conference (2000 miles comment).
That's a point Bob Diaco made.

(08-16-2016 04:26 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It would really come down to the answers to the questions: a) could UConn live with an independent football program in the NE like UMass, and b) could the Big East live with adding UConn when it knows that they'd leave for an ACC, B12, or Big Ten invite, should that day ever come?

If the ACC votes to go with the 8+2 scheduling format and an independent UConn could count as one of those P5 requirements along with ND and BYU, then I think they could have a whole bunch of ACC schools on their future schedules.

This is true, though it would still be a tough hill to climb with scheduling as an independent. I'm sure that UConn could also get plenty of MAC games and could likely grab UMass and BYU to help fill out the November schedules.

The exit fees are dwindling. That aspect is not a deal breaker by any stretch.

Again, UConn has more brand stickiness in Connecticut than virtually any P5 school, across three bona fide revenue sources.

Being able to televise 50-60 nights of content across three strong sports (plus hockey,as I recall UConn upgraded their hockey program), plus lesser sports.

Other schools could only dream of having a successful network.

SNY is probably in talks with UConn right now.

A UConn Husky Network would be vastly more successful than the Longhorn Network. Once Friday night high school games were off the table, the LHN lost all of its appeal.

I think this is a brilliant move by UConn. They are not just doing this out of some some sense of arrogance. TV has told them it is viable, and that their media rights are worth more than the current $1.5 million a year paid to it by theAAC. Just because pretty much no other school can do what UConn is doing doesn't make their idea any less credible. They are a unique brand.

I will reiterate, SNY before the AAC TV deal took away UConn's media rights, earned almost as much for UConn women's basketball as the current AAC payout.
No other school in the AAC has UConn's option.Noone owns their market like they do. No other market will pay for the content of Cincy, Memphis, ECU, Houston, etc. as the CT market will pay for UConn.

This is cutting edge stuff.

(08-16-2016 04:27 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  UConn football doesn't have the stroke to count as a P5 equivalent.

The B1G count them, so it isn't beyond the realm of possibilities.

(08-16-2016 04:28 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:22 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:08 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:05 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  If UConn wants improved basketball - and not as the expense of cannibalizing football - they should work with Aresco on bringing in more basketball programs, starting with Wichita State.

There are many ways this could go.

Nah. Also, aren't we too far from the plains, or is that just a point people bring up regarding the B12?

Pretty sure he was talking about a UConn to BYU conference (2000 miles comment).
That's a point Bob Diaco made.

You'd have to ask him to clarify. I was under the assumption he was talking about racking up miles in the Big 12 in general.