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(02-24-2018 11:52 PM)ShockerDR Wrote:  This makes me wonder if the AAC will make another basketball-centric move to get to 14. VCU and Dayton have been mentioned before.

Dayton would move in a heartbeat.

I question if VCU would be as eager to move to the AAC when they have Richmond, George Mason and George Washington in that conference, key D1 schools to align with.

Guy on local radio in Richmond said VCU wasn't interested when rumors were spreading around last year.

I think a lot depends on whether the A-10 can turn it around after this disaster year (which I think it will). If the A-10 is getting 3-4 bids every year which it has in the past before this year, then I don’t think VCU would be that eager to leave (although I think they’d probably still go if asked). If they feel the league is really slipping, then I think they definitely would go if asked.
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RE: Latest G5 Realignment article
(02-26-2018 05:05 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
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(02-24-2018 11:52 PM)ShockerDR Wrote:  This makes me wonder if the AAC will make another basketball-centric move to get to 14. VCU and Dayton have been mentioned before.

Dayton would move in a heartbeat.

I question if VCU would be as eager to move to the AAC when they have Richmond, George Mason and George Washington in that conference, key D1 schools to align with.

Guy on local radio in Richmond said VCU wasn't interested when rumors were spreading around last year.

I think a lot depends on whether the A-10 can turn it around after this disaster year (which I think it will). If the A-10 is getting 3-4 bids every year which it has in the past before this year, then I don’t think VCU would be that eager to leave (although I think they’d probably still go if asked). If they feel the league is really slipping, then I think they definitely would go if asked.

AAC would be insane to repeat the mistakes of the Big East Football vs Basketball schools. WSU made sense due to Navy FO. I think the issue for the AAC Basketball, you are beginning to see the Powers not doing H/H with the AAC. Doing what most power schools did to WSU of letting them play at their place or neutral site. Not saying it is right, but what I think will be happening. Especially with the ACC moving to a 20 game conference schedule in 2019.
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RE: Latest G5 Realignment article
(02-26-2018 05:19 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 05:05 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 04:57 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 11:35 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 11:52 PM)ShockerDR Wrote:  This makes me wonder if the AAC will make another basketball-centric move to get to 14. VCU and Dayton have been mentioned before.

Dayton would move in a heartbeat.

I question if VCU would be as eager to move to the AAC when they have Richmond, George Mason and George Washington in that conference, key D1 schools to align with.

Guy on local radio in Richmond said VCU wasn't interested when rumors were spreading around last year.

I think a lot depends on whether the A-10 can turn it around after this disaster year (which I think it will). If the A-10 is getting 3-4 bids every year which it has in the past before this year, then I don’t think VCU would be that eager to leave (although I think they’d probably still go if asked). If they feel the league is really slipping, then I think they definitely would go if asked.

AAC would be insane to repeat the mistakes of the Big East Football vs Basketball schools. WSU made sense due to Navy FO. I think the issue for the AAC Basketball, you are beginning to see the Powers not doing H/H with the AAC. Doing what most power schools did to WSU of letting them play at their place or neutral site. Not saying it is right, but what I think will be happening. Especially with the ACC moving to a 20 game conference schedule in 2019.

lol. Why? The environment that split the Big East no longer exists. You keep telling us that no P5 wants those nasty filthy worthless G5 schools. So---no realignment issues to worry about. Whether you are right or wrong doesnt really matter. Basically, its in the best interest of top basketball programs (regardless of if they play FBS football) to group together so their conference schedule doesn't kill their at large chances. It is what it is. Basically whats happened in football is starting to creep into basketball. You get no credit for winning "in conference games" in most non-power conferences. The best bet for the top basketball programs to migrate to the AAC in the east and MW in the west. Eventually, those will be the only places where a non-power team can get an SOS strong enough to land at large bids.

Basically, its a new world. lol...If the best basketball programs do not group together they will essentially be "G5'ed" in basktball.
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RE: Latest G5 Realignment article
(02-26-2018 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 05:19 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 05:05 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 04:57 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 11:35 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Dayton would move in a heartbeat.

I question if VCU would be as eager to move to the AAC when they have Richmond, George Mason and George Washington in that conference, key D1 schools to align with.

Guy on local radio in Richmond said VCU wasn't interested when rumors were spreading around last year.

I think a lot depends on whether the A-10 can turn it around after this disaster year (which I think it will). If the A-10 is getting 3-4 bids every year which it has in the past before this year, then I don’t think VCU would be that eager to leave (although I think they’d probably still go if asked). If they feel the league is really slipping, then I think they definitely would go if asked.

AAC would be insane to repeat the mistakes of the Big East Football vs Basketball schools. WSU made sense due to Navy FO. I think the issue for the AAC Basketball, you are beginning to see the Powers not doing H/H with the AAC. Doing what most power schools did to WSU of letting them play at their place or neutral site. Not saying it is right, but what I think will be happening. Especially with the ACC moving to a 20 game conference schedule in 2019.

lol. Why? The environment that split the Big East no longer exists. You keep telling us that no P5 wants those nasty filthy worthless G5 schools. So---no realignment issues to worry about. Whether you are right or wrong doesnt really matter. Basically, its in the best interest of top basketball programs (regardless of if they play FBS football) to group together so their conference schedule doesn't kill their at large chances. It is what it is. Basically whats happened in football is starting to creep into basketball. You get no credit for winning "in conference games" in most non-power conferences. The best bet to for the top programs to migrate to the AAC in the east and MW in the west. Eventually, those will be the only places where a non-power team can get an SOS strong enough to land at large bids.

Basically, its a new world. lol...If the best basketball programs do not group together they will essentially be "G5'ed" in basktball.

Good point about being a new frontier. It may make sense this time but it just doesn't seem to me the way to achieve the goal to be the sixth power conference.

Then again, I think Cincy, Memphis, UCF, USF, SMU and Houston will be the replacement teams when OSU, OU, TX and TT bolt the B12 for the P12 in 2024.
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(02-26-2018 07:58 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Then again, I think Cincy, Memphis, UCF, USF, SMU and Houston will be the replacement teams when OSU, OU, TX and TT bolt the B12 for the P12 in 2024.

The only one I can see Pac-12 taking (due to academic reasons) is Texas. The rest not so much. Then again, everything outside of the Cali schools + UW is eh... There's a few AAU schools, but they're nowhere near the likes of Cali + UW and there's a couple that aren't even in the top half of FBS by academic rank.
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(02-26-2018 03:26 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 03:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I've had it with conferences that have non-football schools and would like to see the Sunbelt boot UTA & UALR. From 2000 until 2013 (when App left the SoCon) the non-football schools combined to win 9 champioships.

UTA didn't play in the Sun Belt until 2013-14.
UALR was the only non-football 2012-13
Denver left after 2011-12
New Orleans left after 2009-10

I referring to the SoCon. Thought the "from 2000 to 2013 when App left" would have been more than enough clarity.
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(02-26-2018 03:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 03:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I've had it with conferences that have non-football schools and would like to see the Sunbelt boot UTA & UALR. From 2000 until 2013 (when App left the SoCon) the non-football schools combined to win 9 champioships.
Sounds like the football schools need to up their game.



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(02-26-2018 07:58 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
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(02-26-2018 05:19 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 05:05 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 04:57 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Guy on local radio in Richmond said VCU wasn't interested when rumors were spreading around last year.

I think a lot depends on whether the A-10 can turn it around after this disaster year (which I think it will). If the A-10 is getting 3-4 bids every year which it has in the past before this year, then I don’t think VCU would be that eager to leave (although I think they’d probably still go if asked). If they feel the league is really slipping, then I think they definitely would go if asked.

AAC would be insane to repeat the mistakes of the Big East Football vs Basketball schools. WSU made sense due to Navy FO. I think the issue for the AAC Basketball, you are beginning to see the Powers not doing H/H with the AAC. Doing what most power schools did to WSU of letting them play at their place or neutral site. Not saying it is right, but what I think will be happening. Especially with the ACC moving to a 20 game conference schedule in 2019.

lol. Why? The environment that split the Big East no longer exists. You keep telling us that no P5 wants those nasty filthy worthless G5 schools. So---no realignment issues to worry about. Whether you are right or wrong doesnt really matter. Basically, its in the best interest of top basketball programs (regardless of if they play FBS football) to group together so their conference schedule doesn't kill their at large chances. It is what it is. Basically whats happened in football is starting to creep into basketball. You get no credit for winning "in conference games" in most non-power conferences. The best bet to for the top programs to migrate to the AAC in the east and MW in the west. Eventually, those will be the only places where a non-power team can get an SOS strong enough to land at large bids.

Basically, its a new world. lol...If the best basketball programs do not group together they will essentially be "G5'ed" in basktball.

Good point about being a new frontier. It may make sense this time but it just doesn't seem to me the way to achieve the goal to be the sixth power conference.

Then again, I think Cincy, Memphis, UCF, USF, SMU and Houston will be the replacement teams when OSU, OU, TX and TT bolt the B12 for the P12 in 2024.

College athletics were much more fun back in the day of the independent football schools and basketball led conferences like the Metro.
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RE: Latest G5 Realignment article
(02-26-2018 07:58 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 07:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 05:19 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 05:05 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 04:57 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Guy on local radio in Richmond said VCU wasn't interested when rumors were spreading around last year.

I think a lot depends on whether the A-10 can turn it around after this disaster year (which I think it will). If the A-10 is getting 3-4 bids every year which it has in the past before this year, then I don’t think VCU would be that eager to leave (although I think they’d probably still go if asked). If they feel the league is really slipping, then I think they definitely would go if asked.

AAC would be insane to repeat the mistakes of the Big East Football vs Basketball schools. WSU made sense due to Navy FO. I think the issue for the AAC Basketball, you are beginning to see the Powers not doing H/H with the AAC. Doing what most power schools did to WSU of letting them play at their place or neutral site. Not saying it is right, but what I think will be happening. Especially with the ACC moving to a 20 game conference schedule in 2019.

lol. Why? The environment that split the Big East no longer exists. You keep telling us that no P5 wants those nasty filthy worthless G5 schools. So---no realignment issues to worry about. Whether you are right or wrong doesnt really matter. Basically, its in the best interest of top basketball programs (regardless of if they play FBS football) to group together so their conference schedule doesn't kill their at large chances. It is what it is. Basically whats happened in football is starting to creep into basketball. You get no credit for winning "in conference games" in most non-power conferences. The best bet to for the top programs to migrate to the AAC in the east and MW in the west. Eventually, those will be the only places where a non-power team can get an SOS strong enough to land at large bids.

Basically, its a new world. lol...If the best basketball programs do not group together they will essentially be "G5'ed" in basktball.

Good point about being a new frontier. It may make sense this time but it just doesn't seem to me the way to achieve the goal to be the sixth power conference.

Then again, I think Cincy, Memphis, UCF, USF, SMU and Houston will be the replacement teams when OSU, OU, TX and TT bolt the B12 for the P12 in 2024.

You do realize these were the four that almost left in 2014 to the PAC 12 until Texas nixed at the last second.
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RE: Latest G5 Realignment article
(02-26-2018 08:58 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 03:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 03:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I've had it with conferences that have non-football schools and would like to see the Sunbelt boot UTA & UALR. From 2000 until 2013 (when App left the SoCon) the non-football schools combined to win 9 champioships.
Sounds like the football schools need to up their game.



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No, the non-football schools need to step up to the plate and do away with the non part.

Why would we want to make our conference's basketball (generally) worse by getting rid of UALR and UTA?

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(02-26-2018 05:05 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 04:57 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 11:35 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 11:52 PM)ShockerDR Wrote:  This makes me wonder if the AAC will make another basketball-centric move to get to 14. VCU and Dayton have been mentioned before.

Dayton would move in a heartbeat.

I question if VCU would be as eager to move to the AAC when they have Richmond, George Mason and George Washington in that conference, key D1 schools to align with.

Guy on local radio in Richmond said VCU wasn't interested when rumors were spreading around last year.

I think a lot depends on whether the A-10 can turn it around after this disaster year (which I think it will). If the A-10 is getting 3-4 bids every year which it has in the past before this year, then I don’t think VCU would be that eager to leave (although I think they’d probably still go if asked). If they feel the league is really slipping, then I think they definitely would go if asked.

The A10 has a lot of TV exposure at the moment from a deal that was signed the minute after they added Butler to the conference. Thought at the time is Butler was going to elevate the A10 even further up the basketball chain.

That didn't obviously happen. Butler left quickly for the BE. The A10 still has the TV deal but its probably gone by 2020. Networks can then invest in CUSA which is an up and coming basketball league.
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(02-23-2018 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the AAC and MWC are happy the way they are. The MAC is regional. This is really just a CUSA and Sun Belt issue.

Just a CUSA issue! The Sun Belt is fine as it is and while a stray fan here or there will talk going regional the vast majority of us a very happy with our conference line up.
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(02-26-2018 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  2) The best non-power basketball programs need to coalesce. The best non-power basketball programs can improve their schedule and RPI (and their ability to make the tournament) by grouping together. This has economic value as you indicated before by building teams that can win in the tournament (more credits) or by addint at large bids (even more credits). It may even have some TV value (see Big East). So, it may be worth expanding the footprint somewhat--so that one "picks and chooses" a conference that has a very strong basketball core---strong enough to attract a few key basketball only members to supercharge the league.

The current NCAA rules strongly discourage forming new D-I conferences. No one is going to start up a new conference that won't have NCAA autobids for 8 years. And no one (not even UConn) is going to leave an FBS conference for a conference that doesn't sponsor FBS football.

Even if you just look at conferences that don't have FBS football, there isn't enough there to justify any new "collection" that makes sense -- best you can do is something like 4 or 5 from the A-10, 2 or 3 from the MVC, plus, I don't know, Murray State, Belmont, Northern Kentucky. It doesn't pencil out when you have to go without autobids for 8 years and each of those schools has to pay an exit fee to its current conference. It also doesn't help that much to add a couple of good programs to an existing conference unless you also jettison a few of that conference's teams that are never competitive in hoops.
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(02-27-2018 11:43 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the AAC and MWC are happy the way they are. The MAC is regional. This is really just a CUSA and Sun Belt issue.

Just a CUSA issue! The Sun Belt is fine as it is and while a stray fan here or there will talk going regional the vast majority of us a very happy with our conference line up.

More than a stray. It has been brought up by some school administrations.

You think GS would turn down an opportunity for less travel costs and more attractive opponents? Such as:

Marshall
ODU
MTSU
WKU
Charlotte
App

GaSt
GS
FAU
FIU
Coastal
Troy

This is a nice compromise between CUSA and the Belt. Strong teams still in both conferences. Id miss the hell outta UAB, USM, and La Tech, but in the long run, I think it'd be better for them too.

Now, if I could cherry pick:

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
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GS

LaTech
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(02-26-2018 10:22 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:58 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 03:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 03:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I've had it with conferences that have non-football schools and would like to see the Sunbelt boot UTA & UALR. From 2000 until 2013 (when App left the SoCon) the non-football schools combined to win 9 champioships.
Sounds like the football schools need to up their game.



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No, the non-football schools need to step up to the plate and do away with the non part.

Why would we want to make our conference's basketball (generally) worse by getting rid of UALR and UTA?

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It's about leveling the playing field. With money getting tighter every year the non-football schools have a huge budge advantage over the rest of the conference.
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(02-27-2018 02:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 10:22 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:58 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 03:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 03:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I've had it with conferences that have non-football schools and would like to see the Sunbelt boot UTA & UALR. From 2000 until 2013 (when App left the SoCon) the non-football schools combined to win 9 champioships.
Sounds like the football schools need to up their game.



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No, the non-football schools need to step up to the plate and do away with the non part.

Why would we want to make our conference's basketball (generally) worse by getting rid of UALR and UTA?

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It's about leveling the playing field. With money getting tighter every year the non-football schools have a huge budge advantage over the rest of the conference.

Its true that they can focus on non-football sports more, but their budgets are also generally lower overall and they don't have football to boost fan attention/loyalty. So I'm not sure they really have that much of a competive advantage.

When LR played at Verizon our fans outnumbered them despite their population and non-football status. We have managed to be pretty competitive with them.

Non-football doesn't appear to give them advantages in things like indoor track either.

UTA is pretty good at basketball. I suspect they would still be pretty good at basketball if the started football.

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(02-27-2018 12:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  2) The best non-power basketball programs need to coalesce. The best non-power basketball programs can improve their schedule and RPI (and their ability to make the tournament) by grouping together. This has economic value as you indicated before by building teams that can win in the tournament (more credits) or by addint at large bids (even more credits). It may even have some TV value (see Big East). So, it may be worth expanding the footprint somewhat--so that one "picks and chooses" a conference that has a very strong basketball core---strong enough to attract a few key basketball only members to supercharge the league.

The current NCAA rules strongly discourage forming new D-I conferences. No one is going to start up a new conference that won't have NCAA autobids for 8 years. And no one (not even UConn) is going to leave an FBS conference for a conference that doesn't sponsor FBS football.

Even if you just look at conferences that don't have FBS football, there isn't enough there to justify any new "collection" that makes sense -- best you can do is something like 4 or 5 from the A-10, 2 or 3 from the MVC, plus, I don't know, Murray State, Belmont, Northern Kentucky. It doesn't pencil out when you have to go without autobids for 8 years and each of those schools has to pay an exit fee to its current conference. It also doesn't help that much to add a couple of good programs to an existing conference unless you also jettison a few of that conference's teams that are never competitive in hoops.

Far easier to hijack a league than start a new one.
If ODU has a band of merry men (and women's) sports sponsoring schools they wanted to affiliate the smart play is to call up the Sun Belt say take us all. They aren't going to say no because they understand the remaining CUSA has to act.

It would sort itself out fairly quickly.
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(02-27-2018 03:39 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 12:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  2) The best non-power basketball programs need to coalesce. The best non-power basketball programs can improve their schedule and RPI (and their ability to make the tournament) by grouping together. This has economic value as you indicated before by building teams that can win in the tournament (more credits) or by addint at large bids (even more credits). It may even have some TV value (see Big East). So, it may be worth expanding the footprint somewhat--so that one "picks and chooses" a conference that has a very strong basketball core---strong enough to attract a few key basketball only members to supercharge the league.

The current NCAA rules strongly discourage forming new D-I conferences. No one is going to start up a new conference that won't have NCAA autobids for 8 years. And no one (not even UConn) is going to leave an FBS conference for a conference that doesn't sponsor FBS football.

Even if you just look at conferences that don't have FBS football, there isn't enough there to justify any new "collection" that makes sense -- best you can do is something like 4 or 5 from the A-10, 2 or 3 from the MVC, plus, I don't know, Murray State, Belmont, Northern Kentucky. It doesn't pencil out when you have to go without autobids for 8 years and each of those schools has to pay an exit fee to its current conference. It also doesn't help that much to add a couple of good programs to an existing conference unless you also jettison a few of that conference's teams that are never competitive in hoops.

Far easier to hijack a league than start a new one.
If ODU has a band of merry men (and women's) sports sponsoring schools they wanted to affiliate the smart play is to call up the Sun Belt say take us all. They aren't going to say no because they understand the remaining CUSA has to act.

It would sort itself out fairly quickly.

The article linked in the OP suggests that ODU would want to stay with Charlotte and maybe Marshall out of CUSA. Even if you add one more, say Middle Tennessee, I'm pretty sure that (1) the Sun Belt presidents wouldn't vote to add 4 more to the 12 they already have (including the no-football schools), and (2) even if they did, the other CUSA members would say, "OK, we still have 10, we're fine, in fact we'll each make more money now... good luck, guys." CUSA could lose as many as 7 and still have enough members to remain an FBS conference (if they lose exactly 7 they could add NMSU), and there's no way the Sun Belt presidents would vote to add 7 or more new schools at once.

Also, it's worth pointing out that the current Sun Belt commissioner had a really bad previous experience when he attempted to force a major upheaval among two conferences. 07-coffee3
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RE: Latest G5 Realignment article
(02-27-2018 12:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  2) The best non-power basketball programs need to coalesce. The best non-power basketball programs can improve their schedule and RPI (and their ability to make the tournament) by grouping together. This has economic value as you indicated before by building teams that can win in the tournament (more credits) or by addint at large bids (even more credits). It may even have some TV value (see Big East). So, it may be worth expanding the footprint somewhat--so that one "picks and chooses" a conference that has a very strong basketball core---strong enough to attract a few key basketball only members to supercharge the league.

The current NCAA rules strongly discourage forming new D-I conferences. No one is going to start up a new conference that won't have NCAA autobids for 8 years. And no one (not even UConn) is going to leave an FBS conference for a conference that doesn't sponsor FBS football.

Even if you just look at conferences that don't have FBS football, there isn't enough there to justify any new "collection" that makes sense -- best you can do is something like 4 or 5 from the A-10, 2 or 3 from the MVC, plus, I don't know, Murray State, Belmont, Northern Kentucky. It doesn't pencil out when you have to go without autobids for 8 years and each of those schools has to pay an exit fee to its current conference. It also doesn't help that much to add a couple of good programs to an existing conference unless you also jettison a few of that conference's teams that are never competitive in hoops.

No need for a new conference. My feeling is the AAC (in the east) and MW (in the west) would be the place for non-FBS playing high profile basketball programs (outside of the P5) to gravitate toward. Talking maybe 2-4 adds here in the AAC at most. Maybe the same number in the west. Adds that play football are possible---cant say UMass, W Kentucky, or MTSU might not be worth considering. Two of those 3 offer good basketball along with quite competent football programs. NMSU in the west might be worth a look by the MW. This is a very limited strategy at the top level of non-power basketball.

For the rest of the G5, it would be part of any reorganization that might occur if the G5 conferences decided TV money had completely dried up and regional low travel cost conferences were more viable. Such conferences would be primarily based on location---but building solid basketball would probably be a major driver in how they coalesce. These moves would likely not be true "new" conferences---but rather reorganizations of the schools within the existing shells of the SB and CUSA (and perhaps even the AAC).
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(02-27-2018 02:44 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
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(02-23-2018 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the AAC and MWC are happy the way they are. The MAC is regional. This is really just a CUSA and Sun Belt issue.

Just a CUSA issue! The Sun Belt is fine as it is and while a stray fan here or there will talk going regional the vast majority of us a very happy with our conference line up.

More than a stray. It has been brought up by some school administrations.

You think GS would turn down an opportunity for less travel costs and more attractive opponents? Such as:

Marshall
ODU
MTSU
WKU
Charlotte
App

GaSt
GS
FAU
FIU
Coastal
Troy

This is a nice compromise between CUSA and the Belt. Strong teams still in both conferences. Id miss the hell outta UAB, USM, and La Tech, but in the long run, I think it'd be better for them too.

Now, if I could cherry pick:

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
App
GS

LaTech
UAB
USM
Troy
FAU
Arkansas State

No I agree both of those line ups appeal to me in some ways and if both conferences get blown up I'm all for positioning us with close rivals but all I'm saying is it's not as urgent for us in the Sun Belt. To my knowledge only two Sun Belt AD's have said anything at all about reorganizing the G5 and one was the stAte AD who said the entire G5 was in need of reorganizing and that one day in the future it may happen. The other was the App St AD who said it was in App's interest to play teams closer to home but that it could be accomplished through OOC scheduling. Those two AD are hardly advocating a wholesale realignment right now.
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