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(02-24-2018 07:39 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  You need a network willing to pay for the product.

No you dont. You need a fanbase willing to pay the freight via "in stadium: generated revenue. The P5 makes the vast majority for their athletic department budget from ticket sales, concessions, parking, and donations. Thats where the G5 has to get better. The schools that build their fan support to the point where it generates sufficient revenue to support the athletics department will be fine regardless of tv. Of course, extra TV revenue would be great, but its not needed and its possible that being too concerned with keeping TV happy for minimal dollars might actually be counterproductive when it comes to growing the fan base revenue. I think the most of the G5 is actually in that category right now.
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(02-24-2018 07:39 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  You need a network willing to pay for the product.

No you dont. You need a fanbase willing to pay the freight via "in stadium: generated revenue. The P5 makes the vast majority for their athletic department budget from ticket sales, concessions, parking, and donations. Thats where the G5 has to get better. The schools that build their fan support to the point where it generates sufficient revenue to support the athletics department will be fine regardless of tv. Of course, extra TV revenue would be great, but its not needed and its possible that being too concerned with keeping TV happy for minimal dollars might actually be counterproductive when it comes to growing the fan base revenue. I think the most of the G5 is actually in that category right now.

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I have to disagree. The TV and CFP money is what has made the difference in wealth. Just in the ACC, the private schools don't bring in what some G5s bring in attendance. If your statement was true, ECU would be having no issues. They have one of the most loyal fan bases around.I would assume most higher G5 schools should already have this revenue stream as well. If they haven't, I doubt any conference marketing program will change that.
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(02-24-2018 07:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 06:58 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 05:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 04:49 PM)McKinney Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 04:15 PM)ken d Wrote:  I think the answer for the G5 is to play football at a different time of the year. Make G5 football a spring sport, so you don't have to compete with the P5 for eyeballs. The trick will be finding a time for your 16 team championship tournament that doesn't have to compete with NBA playoffs, Stanley Cup, and golf.

Excuse me, WTF? And what about the G5 teams with historical and regional rivals with P5 teams? What about the fact that would eliminate almost ALL NFL draft picks from G5? What about the fact that some schools have less than 5 weeks between the end of college basketball and the end of spring semester?

He is mocking us. He doesn't like the AAC or schools that don't play in the semi pro 5. He got defensive on my ESPN thread. He's very pro ESPN

Of course I am mocking. Who wouldn't mock a strategy to try to trick fans into thinking the G5 isn't something they have rejected for years? Such a premise is, in itself, a mockery. I never thought for a second this thread was meant to be taken seriously. Just like I didn't take your anti ESPN screed seriously.

"Pro ESPN"? That's a real knee slapper.

Me thinks you protest about the AAC too much. What are you getting so defensive about? Real college athletics (non semi pro 5) isn't hurting you.

Actually, I don't protest about the AAC at all. They are "real college athletics" just as much as the ACC and the Ivy League are. What I poke fun at are the delusional and paranoid fans who are unwilling to accept that the marketplace - not some evil villain - has slotted their schools at a level that is lower than they would like it to be.

And, frankly, the delusion and paranoia seems to be growing in some of those fans.
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(02-24-2018 09:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 07:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 06:58 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 05:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 04:49 PM)McKinney Wrote:  Excuse me, WTF? And what about the G5 teams with historical and regional rivals with P5 teams? What about the fact that would eliminate almost ALL NFL draft picks from G5? What about the fact that some schools have less than 5 weeks between the end of college basketball and the end of spring semester?

He is mocking us. He doesn't like the AAC or schools that don't play in the semi pro 5. He got defensive on my ESPN thread. He's very pro ESPN

Of course I am mocking. Who wouldn't mock a strategy to try to trick fans into thinking the G5 isn't something they have rejected for years? Such a premise is, in itself, a mockery. I never thought for a second this thread was meant to be taken seriously. Just like I didn't take your anti ESPN screed seriously.

"Pro ESPN"? That's a real knee slapper.

Me thinks you protest about the AAC too much. What are you getting so defensive about? Real college athletics (non semi pro 5) isn't hurting you.

Actually, I don't protest about the AAC at all. They are "real college athletics" just as much as the ACC and the Ivy League are. What I poke fun at are the delusional and paranoid fans who are unwilling to accept that the marketplace - not some evil villain - has slotted their schools at a level that is lower than they would like it to be.

And, frankly, the delusion and paranoia seems to be growing in some of those fans.
You are correct, the market put those school's in an advantageous position. The complaint is that they use those advantages to assure that those positions are not challenged and that the advantages remain permanent. For instance, barring anyone but the currently advantaged from having playoff access...because playoff access COULD catapult non-advantaged conferences into an advantaged position through their own success.

That is a monopoly using its monopoly power to suppress competition to maintain the monopoly.

Just because you earn advantages in the free market doesn't give you the right to rig that market with rules that keep competition from arising.

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(02-24-2018 09:54 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 09:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 07:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 06:58 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 05:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  He is mocking us. He doesn't like the AAC or schools that don't play in the semi pro 5. He got defensive on my ESPN thread. He's very pro ESPN

Of course I am mocking. Who wouldn't mock a strategy to try to trick fans into thinking the G5 isn't something they have rejected for years? Such a premise is, in itself, a mockery. I never thought for a second this thread was meant to be taken seriously. Just like I didn't take your anti ESPN screed seriously.

"Pro ESPN"? That's a real knee slapper.

Me thinks you protest about the AAC too much. What are you getting so defensive about? Real college athletics (non semi pro 5) isn't hurting you.

Actually, I don't protest about the AAC at all. They are "real college athletics" just as much as the ACC and the Ivy League are. What I poke fun at are the delusional and paranoid fans who are unwilling to accept that the marketplace - not some evil villain - has slotted their schools at a level that is lower than they would like it to be.

And, frankly, the delusion and paranoia seems to be growing in some of those fans.
You are correct, the market put those school's in an advantageous position. The complaint is that they use those advantages to assure that those positions are not challenged and that the advantages remain permanent. For instance, barring anyone but the currently advantaged from having playoff access...because playoff access COULD catapult non-advantaged conferences into an advantaged position through their own success.

That is a monopoly using its monopoly power to suppress competition to maintain the monopoly.

Just because you earn advantages in the free market doesn't give you the right to rig that market with rules that keep competition from arising.

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Well, you know, Louisville, Rutgers, and TCU have all joined the club in the last 10 years, and when i was young, Miami and FSU were nothing.

The system has never provided more exposure for those in the G5 than it does now. 20+ years ago, Arkansas State would appear on national TV basically never, not just in a given year but any year. Now, it happens at least once a year if you make a bowl.

You just have to build your value. That's what USF is trying to do.
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You have to be grandfathered in. The same schools that were running college athletics in the 80's in general are running it today. It doesn't matter how much you build things up, you're still gonna be an outsider, if for no other reason that there's only so many eyeballs and cash to go around.

Take out Houston, Rice and SMU, add Utah, Louisville and some from the original Big East. Florida State as well.
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(02-24-2018 10:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 09:54 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 09:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 07:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 06:58 PM)ken d Wrote:  Of course I am mocking. Who wouldn't mock a strategy to try to trick fans into thinking the G5 isn't something they have rejected for years? Such a premise is, in itself, a mockery. I never thought for a second this thread was meant to be taken seriously. Just like I didn't take your anti ESPN screed seriously.

"Pro ESPN"? That's a real knee slapper.

Me thinks you protest about the AAC too much. What are you getting so defensive about? Real college athletics (non semi pro 5) isn't hurting you.

Actually, I don't protest about the AAC at all. They are "real college athletics" just as much as the ACC and the Ivy League are. What I poke fun at are the delusional and paranoid fans who are unwilling to accept that the marketplace - not some evil villain - has slotted their schools at a level that is lower than they would like it to be.

And, frankly, the delusion and paranoia seems to be growing in some of those fans.
You are correct, the market put those school's in an advantageous position. The complaint is that they use those advantages to assure that those positions are not challenged and that the advantages remain permanent. For instance, barring anyone but the currently advantaged from having playoff access...because playoff access COULD catapult non-advantaged conferences into an advantaged position through their own success.

That is a monopoly using its monopoly power to suppress competition to maintain the monopoly.

Just because you earn advantages in the free market doesn't give you the right to rig that market with rules that keep competition from arising.

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Well, you know, Louisville, Rutgers, and TCU have all joined the club in the last 10 years, and when i was young, Miami and FSU were nothing.

The system has never provided more exposure for those in the G5 than it does now. 20+ years ago, Arkansas State would appear on national TV basically never, not just in a given year but any year. Now, it happens at least once a year if you make a bowl.

You just have to build your value. That's what USF is trying to do.
How about just making this sports league like any other damn sports league in the world and allow all of its conference champions access to the playoffs.

That's it. No extra money, no special deals, no invitations to the special club...just access to the playoffs for each conference like any other sports league where every yeam can make its own fame ON THE FIELD.

No polls, no beauty contests, no sportswriters, no computers...everyone can make it to the top...ON THE FIELD...like sports.

Jeez.

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(02-24-2018 10:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Well, you know, Louisville, Rutgers, and TCU have all joined the club in the last 10 years, and when i was young, Miami and FSU were nothing.

The system has never provided more exposure for those in the G5 than it does now. 20+ years ago, Arkansas State would appear on national TV basically never, not just in a given year but any year. Now, it happens at least once a year if you make a bowl.

You just have to build your value. That's what USF is trying to do.

Perhaps it wasn't under the CFP structure, but Louisville and Rutgers were AQ teams in the Big East (as was USF) and TCU was a College Football Association team in the SWC.
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(02-24-2018 11:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 09:54 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 09:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 07:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Me thinks you protest about the AAC too much. What are you getting so defensive about? Real college athletics (non semi pro 5) isn't hurting you.

Actually, I don't protest about the AAC at all. They are "real college athletics" just as much as the ACC and the Ivy League are. What I poke fun at are the delusional and paranoid fans who are unwilling to accept that the marketplace - not some evil villain - has slotted their schools at a level that is lower than they would like it to be.

And, frankly, the delusion and paranoia seems to be growing in some of those fans.
You are correct, the market put those school's in an advantageous position. The complaint is that they use those advantages to assure that those positions are not challenged and that the advantages remain permanent. For instance, barring anyone but the currently advantaged from having playoff access...because playoff access COULD catapult non-advantaged conferences into an advantaged position through their own success.

That is a monopoly using its monopoly power to suppress competition to maintain the monopoly.

Just because you earn advantages in the free market doesn't give you the right to rig that market with rules that keep competition from arising.

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Well, you know, Louisville, Rutgers, and TCU have all joined the club in the last 10 years, and when i was young, Miami and FSU were nothing.

The system has never provided more exposure for those in the G5 than it does now. 20+ years ago, Arkansas State would appear on national TV basically never, not just in a given year but any year. Now, it happens at least once a year if you make a bowl.

You just have to build your value. That's what USF is trying to do.
How about just making this sports league like any other damn sports league in the world and allow all of its conference champions access to the playoffs.

That's it. No extra money, no special deals, no invitations to the special club...just access to the playoffs for each conference like any other sports league where every yeam can make its own fame ON THE FIELD.

No polls, no beauty contests, no sportswriters, no computers...everyone can make it to the top...ON THE FIELD...like sports.

Jeez.

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You're dealing with college football logic here. Going undefeated is good enough in every other team sport but college football logic is about who you played. But not really because the logic evolves to make sure every scenario is taken care of for the same few teams. I'm sure UCF could have played and beaten Alabama and OU and still not sniffed the playoffs this year.

I could live without all conferences getting an auto-bid so long as one outsider is guaranteed as well as Access (at-larges) for others.
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(02-25-2018 12:04 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 11:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 09:54 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 09:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  Actually, I don't protest about the AAC at all. They are "real college athletics" just as much as the ACC and the Ivy League are. What I poke fun at are the delusional and paranoid fans who are unwilling to accept that the marketplace - not some evil villain - has slotted their schools at a level that is lower than they would like it to be.

And, frankly, the delusion and paranoia seems to be growing in some of those fans.
You are correct, the market put those school's in an advantageous position. The complaint is that they use those advantages to assure that those positions are not challenged and that the advantages remain permanent. For instance, barring anyone but the currently advantaged from having playoff access...because playoff access COULD catapult non-advantaged conferences into an advantaged position through their own success.

That is a monopoly using its monopoly power to suppress competition to maintain the monopoly.

Just because you earn advantages in the free market doesn't give you the right to rig that market with rules that keep competition from arising.

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Well, you know, Louisville, Rutgers, and TCU have all joined the club in the last 10 years, and when i was young, Miami and FSU were nothing.

The system has never provided more exposure for those in the G5 than it does now. 20+ years ago, Arkansas State would appear on national TV basically never, not just in a given year but any year. Now, it happens at least once a year if you make a bowl.

You just have to build your value. That's what USF is trying to do.
How about just making this sports league like any other damn sports league in the world and allow all of its conference champions access to the playoffs.

That's it. No extra money, no special deals, no invitations to the special club...just access to the playoffs for each conference like any other sports league where every yeam can make its own fame ON THE FIELD.

No polls, no beauty contests, no sportswriters, no computers...everyone can make it to the top...ON THE FIELD...like sports.

Jeez.

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You're dealing with college football logic here. Going undefeated is good enough in every other team sport but college football logic is about who you played. But not really because the logic evolves to make sure every scenario is taken care of for the same few teams. I'm sure UCF could have played and beaten Alabama and OU and still not sniffed the playoffs this year.

I could live without all conferences getting an auto-bid so long as one outsider is guaranteed as well as Access (at-larges) for others.

Nah. I don't feel like accepting a slightly better variety of 2nd class citizenship. Its a sports league, it should be structured like one. All of our kids should have an equal path to a National Championship decided entirely by their own play. It may be unlikely for UCF to win a NC but it should be decided in the playoff, not in a boardroom.

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As one commissioner said a few years back when there were worries that the CFP would completely exclude the G5, "You just need one network to love you"
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(02-24-2018 11:40 PM)McKinney Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Well, you know, Louisville, Rutgers, and TCU have all joined the club in the last 10 years, and when i was young, Miami and FSU were nothing.

The system has never provided more exposure for those in the G5 than it does now. 20+ years ago, Arkansas State would appear on national TV basically never, not just in a given year but any year. Now, it happens at least once a year if you make a bowl.

You just have to build your value. That's what USF is trying to do.

Perhaps it wasn't under the CFP structure, but Louisville and Rutgers were AQ teams in the Big East (as was USF) and TCU was a College Football Association team in the SWC.

Make it 15 years then, when USF, Rutgers, UL, and TCU were all on the outside. Point is, some schools that were on the outside are now in. It has happened.
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(02-25-2018 12:14 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 12:04 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 11:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 09:54 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  You are correct, the market put those school's in an advantageous position. The complaint is that they use those advantages to assure that those positions are not challenged and that the advantages remain permanent. For instance, barring anyone but the currently advantaged from having playoff access...because playoff access COULD catapult non-advantaged conferences into an advantaged position through their own success.

That is a monopoly using its monopoly power to suppress competition to maintain the monopoly.

Just because you earn advantages in the free market doesn't give you the right to rig that market with rules that keep competition from arising.

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Well, you know, Louisville, Rutgers, and TCU have all joined the club in the last 10 years, and when i was young, Miami and FSU were nothing.

The system has never provided more exposure for those in the G5 than it does now. 20+ years ago, Arkansas State would appear on national TV basically never, not just in a given year but any year. Now, it happens at least once a year if you make a bowl.

You just have to build your value. That's what USF is trying to do.
How about just making this sports league like any other damn sports league in the world and allow all of its conference champions access to the playoffs.

That's it. No extra money, no special deals, no invitations to the special club...just access to the playoffs for each conference like any other sports league where every yeam can make its own fame ON THE FIELD.

No polls, no beauty contests, no sportswriters, no computers...everyone can make it to the top...ON THE FIELD...like sports.

Jeez.

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You're dealing with college football logic here. Going undefeated is good enough in every other team sport but college football logic is about who you played. But not really because the logic evolves to make sure every scenario is taken care of for the same few teams. I'm sure UCF could have played and beaten Alabama and OU and still not sniffed the playoffs this year.

I could live without all conferences getting an auto-bid so long as one outsider is guaranteed as well as Access (at-larges) for others.

Nah. I don't feel like accepting a slightly better variety of 2nd class citizenship. Its a sports league, it should be structured like one. All of our kids should have an equal path to a National Championship decided entirely by their own play. It may be unlikely for UCF to win a NC but it should be decided in the playoff, not in a boardroom.

Thing is, there's nobody at Alabama or LSU or Ohio State that regards themselves as being "in the same league" as Arkansas State or South Alabama or New Mexico State.

Their leagues are their conferences, and they have other conferences they regard as more or less peers. To them, the NCAA classification is basically meaningless.

So harping from folks at North Texas State about "this is crazy! How can we have a system that doesn't allow for the champs of my conference to compete for the national title with the SEC champ like we do it in basketball!?!?!" doesn't resonate in those places at all. They don't see it as "crazy" because the NCAA and FBS isn't their frame of reference in terms of who their peers are and who they are competing with, locally (in-conference) and externally (out-of-conference). NCAA/FBS is just a mildly-useful category for determining what non-peer schools should count for scheduling purposes. But there isn't any more anxiety that if they (e.g., say Georgia) wins the national title that it be via a process that means the systematically and formally beat out the Sun Belt champion, any more than that they beat out the CIAA or MEAC champion. Sun Belt champ isn't any more who they are competing against to them than the MEAC champ is.

That's just the culture of big-time college football.
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(02-25-2018 01:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 12:14 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 12:04 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 11:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Well, you know, Louisville, Rutgers, and TCU have all joined the club in the last 10 years, and when i was young, Miami and FSU were nothing.

The system has never provided more exposure for those in the G5 than it does now. 20+ years ago, Arkansas State would appear on national TV basically never, not just in a given year but any year. Now, it happens at least once a year if you make a bowl.

You just have to build your value. That's what USF is trying to do.
How about just making this sports league like any other damn sports league in the world and allow all of its conference champions access to the playoffs.

That's it. No extra money, no special deals, no invitations to the special club...just access to the playoffs for each conference like any other sports league where every yeam can make its own fame ON THE FIELD.

No polls, no beauty contests, no sportswriters, no computers...everyone can make it to the top...ON THE FIELD...like sports.

Jeez.

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You're dealing with college football logic here. Going undefeated is good enough in every other team sport but college football logic is about who you played. But not really because the logic evolves to make sure every scenario is taken care of for the same few teams. I'm sure UCF could have played and beaten Alabama and OU and still not sniffed the playoffs this year.

I could live without all conferences getting an auto-bid so long as one outsider is guaranteed as well as Access (at-larges) for others.

Nah. I don't feel like accepting a slightly better variety of 2nd class citizenship. Its a sports league, it should be structured like one. All of our kids should have an equal path to a National Championship decided entirely by their own play. It may be unlikely for UCF to win a NC but it should be decided in the playoff, not in a boardroom.

Thing is, there's nobody at Alabama or LSU or Ohio State that regards themselves as being "in the same league" as Arkansas State or South Alabama or New Mexico State.

Their leagues are their conferences, and they have other conferences they regard as more or less peers. To them, the NCAA classification is basically meaningless.

So harping from folks at North Texas State about "this is crazy! How can we have a system that doesn't allow for the champs of my conference to compete for the national title with the SEC champ like we do it in basketball!?!?!" doesn't resonate in those places at all. They don't see it as "crazy" because the NCAA and FBS isn't their frame of reference in terms of who their peers are and who they are competing with, locally (in-conference) and externally (out-of-conference). NCAA/FBS is just a mildly-useful category for determining what non-peer schools should count for scheduling purposes.

That's just the culture of big-time college football.
Then they should stop pretending they are a sports league and change the name like the WWE did.

College football is "sports entertainment" and not sports. I myself prefer sports.


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Can the G5 BS its way to the top?
Imagine if the NFL announced that the playoffs would now only consist of half of their divisions. They decide, for instance, that the AFC West is weaker so its teams just won't be allowed to participate in playoffs anymore.

People would be up in arms, because its stupid. Its really stupid.

Yet somehow people defend it in CFB like its a rational way to run a sports league.

Its not healthy for the sport. Its becoming like the Harlem Globetrotters and the Washington Generals.

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The thing is the NCAA doesn't sponsor a playoff and never has at the D-I level or at least at the FBS level. Unfortunately, the tradition of naming a national champion was left to the polls and later enhanced by what I like to call chamber of commerce exhibitions i.e. bowl games. With that in mind, they aren't obligated to hold a fair championship tournament.

Blame the NCAA on that one for not instituting a playoff decades ago.
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(02-25-2018 03:45 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  the tradition of naming a national champion was left to the polls and later enhanced by what I like to call chamber of commerce exhibitions i.e. bowl games.

It was the other way around.

The Rose Bowl game has been played after every season from the 1915 season on. The Orange and Sugar Bowl games started after the 1934 season. The first AP college football poll of writers was in the 1936 season, which was also the first season for the Cotton Bowl game.
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The national title though was awarded by the polls. It wasn't until later on that the bowls actually affected the national title race, as the champion would be awarded before the bowls initially, which explains some quirky things and why a few champions actually lost their bowls games.
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(02-25-2018 01:10 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 01:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 12:14 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 12:04 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 11:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  How about just making this sports league like any other damn sports league in the world and allow all of its conference champions access to the playoffs.

That's it. No extra money, no special deals, no invitations to the special club...just access to the playoffs for each conference like any other sports league where every yeam can make its own fame ON THE FIELD.

No polls, no beauty contests, no sportswriters, no computers...everyone can make it to the top...ON THE FIELD...like sports.

Jeez.

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You're dealing with college football logic here. Going undefeated is good enough in every other team sport but college football logic is about who you played. But not really because the logic evolves to make sure every scenario is taken care of for the same few teams. I'm sure UCF could have played and beaten Alabama and OU and still not sniffed the playoffs this year.

I could live without all conferences getting an auto-bid so long as one outsider is guaranteed as well as Access (at-larges) for others.

Nah. I don't feel like accepting a slightly better variety of 2nd class citizenship. Its a sports league, it should be structured like one. All of our kids should have an equal path to a National Championship decided entirely by their own play. It may be unlikely for UCF to win a NC but it should be decided in the playoff, not in a boardroom.

Thing is, there's nobody at Alabama or LSU or Ohio State that regards themselves as being "in the same league" as Arkansas State or South Alabama or New Mexico State.

Their leagues are their conferences, and they have other conferences they regard as more or less peers. To them, the NCAA classification is basically meaningless.

So harping from folks at North Texas State about "this is crazy! How can we have a system that doesn't allow for the champs of my conference to compete for the national title with the SEC champ like we do it in basketball!?!?!" doesn't resonate in those places at all. They don't see it as "crazy" because the NCAA and FBS isn't their frame of reference in terms of who their peers are and who they are competing with, locally (in-conference) and externally (out-of-conference). NCAA/FBS is just a mildly-useful category for determining what non-peer schools should count for scheduling purposes.

That's just the culture of big-time college football.
Then they should stop pretending they are a sports league and change the name like the WWE did.

College football is "sports entertainment" and not sports. I myself prefer sports.


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What sports do you not consider entertainment?
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Needs to be a complete split, for me to stay a college sports fan I need a complete split in all sports
The five conferences that have been pushed aside need to leave the NCAA and castaway all lines to the ESPN leagues and build up our own league and make our own rules
I keep saying this and I’ll say it again, next thing the ESPN, NCAA, p5 colluders will try to do is reduce the amount of scholarships non playoff schools get, we can never let this happen
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