Young team. Expectations were not met, but I 5think you give him another year to prove himself.

(03-11-2019 03:19 AM)hburg Wrote:  Young team. Expectations were not met, but I 5think you give him another year to prove himself.

Can any JMU fan argue that “expectations” were met this season?

It would be shocking (at least to me) if a change was made at this time, for reasons discussed ad nauseum on other threads.

That shared, a change should be made. I feel this way based on the criteria (“expectations”) set by the AD for the HC of MBB. These “expectations” are essentially no different than those set-down for any other HC st JMU, and LR has met none of them in three successive years of his tenure.

Program success (and HC success) is based on a number of factors, but basically it comes down to Ws and Ls. Program opportunities for post-season play and success on a larger stage are really simply extensions of regular season Ws and Ls. Other evaluation factors (attendance, recruiting, player retention and development, etc.) are all factors too, but there is nothing in LR’s record as HC that is exemplary.

Bottom line, I am not persuaded that LR needs (or deserves) another year to “prove himself.” LR has shown me enough, thank you very much.

JMU should reassign LR within the athletic department, and immediately begin the process of hiring a seasoned HC with an established record of success. The LR reassignment should be handled concurrently with the hiring process, and the completion of the NCAAT season. The returning players need to know as quickly as possible who their new coach would be, and allowed the opportunity to make decisions on whether to stay or transfer. JMU fans also deserve better, and to be treated with respect and honesty when it comes to established “expectations” for the MBB program. Are “expections” for JMU MBB success “real” and actionable, or are they “borne” of simply hypocritical blather meant to save cents on the dollar when multi-multi millions are being invested in facilities?

(03-04-2018 02:55 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  We know each coach gets a formal performance appraisal after each season in a sit down session with Bourne.
How would you rate each of his first 2 seasons based on the measurables?

Just trying to get a sense of public opinion from the remaining fanbase. Your ratings will be interesting, but I think your insight on why you gave the ratings will be more interesting. We don’t get to see the exact performance expectation metrics that are on paper, but should be able to figure them out and prioritize them pretty easily with a weighted contribution.

Standard performance appraisals for Fortune 500 companies use a 5 point scale with one being the worst and 5 being the best. Half points are not allowed.

1 - Performance was consistently below expectations in most essential areas of responsibility, and/or reasonable progress toward critical goals was not made. Significant improvement is needed in one or more important areas. A plan to correct performance, including timelines, must be outlined and monitored to measure progress.

2 - Performance did not consistently meet expectations – performance failed to meet expectations in one or more essential areas of responsibility, and/or one or more of the most critical goals were not met. A professional development plan to improve performance must be attached, including timelines, and monitored to measure progress

3 - Performance consistently met expectations in all essential areas of responsibility, at times possibly exceeding expectations, and the quality of work overall was very good. The most critical annual goals were met.

4 - Performance consistently exceeded expectations in all essential areas of responsibility, and the quality of work overall was excellent. Annual goals were met.

5 - Performance far exceeded expectations due to exceptionally high quality of work performed in all essential areas of responsibility, resulting in an overall quality of work that was superior; and either 1) included the completion of a major goal, or 2) made an exceptional or unique contribution in support of objectives.

he's been here for 3 seasons and not 2 which makes it even easier to grade him. Given the ratings choices he would be given a 2 based on his fairly flat line of a record. He needs to be given some very clear goals for next year. A top-five finish and two wins in the CAA tournament.

(03-11-2019 08:15 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(03-04-2018 02:55 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  We know each coach gets a formal performance appraisal after each season in a sit down session with Bourne.
How would you rate each of his first 2 seasons based on the measurables?

Just trying to get a sense of public opinion from the remaining fanbase. Your ratings will be interesting, but I think your insight on why you gave the ratings will be more interesting. We don’t get to see the exact performance expectation metrics that are on paper, but should be able to figure them out and prioritize them pretty easily with a weighted contribution.

Standard performance appraisals for Fortune 500 companies use a 5 point scale with one being the worst and 5 being the best. Half points are not allowed.

1 - Performance was consistently below expectations in most essential areas of responsibility, and/or reasonable progress toward critical goals was not made. Significant improvement is needed in one or more important areas. A plan to correct performance, including timelines, must be outlined and monitored to measure progress.

2 - Performance did not consistently meet expectations – performance failed to meet expectations in one or more essential areas of responsibility, and/or one or more of the most critical goals were not met. A professional development plan to improve performance must be attached, including timelines, and monitored to measure progress

3 - Performance consistently met expectations in all essential areas of responsibility, at times possibly exceeding expectations, and the quality of work overall was very good. The most critical annual goals were met.

4 - Performance consistently exceeded expectations in all essential areas of responsibility, and the quality of work overall was excellent. Annual goals were met.

5 - Performance far exceeded expectations due to exceptionally high quality of work performed in all essential areas of responsibility, resulting in an overall quality of work that was superior; and either 1) included the completion of a major goal, or 2) made an exceptional or unique contribution in support of objectives.

he's been here for 3 seasons and not 2 which makes it even easier to grade him. Given the ratings choices he would be given a 2 based on his fairly flat line of a record. He needs to be given some very clear goals for next year. A top-five finish and two wins in the CAA tournament.

Let the team decide. They are the ones who play for him. But personally, I would like to see him have another year and I would like for the fans to go and support the team win or lose. Bring back the electric zoo - we need that 6th man.

I think his appraisal needs to be based on Bourne's own comments after Brady was let go.
Many of the factors I don't know about (getting out there in the community, etc).
The product on the court is better but the results are the same (those results weren't enough to keep Brady, so why should Rowe get a pass?)
The attendance is getting worse.

He is one hell of a recruiter and the team plays hard.

(03-11-2019 08:22 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I think his appraisal needs to be based on Bourne's own comments after Brady was let go.
Many of the factors I don't know about (getting out there in the community, etc).
The product on the court is better but the results are the same (those results weren't enough to keep Brady, so why should Rowe get a pass?)
The attendance is getting worse.

He is one hell of a recruiter and the team plays hard.

The product on the court is much worse and so are the results.

(03-11-2019 08:38 AM)#YEEHAWDUKES Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 08:22 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I think his appraisal needs to be based on Bourne's own comments after Brady was let go.
Many of the factors I don't know about (getting out there in the community, etc).
The product on the court is better but the results are the same (those results weren't enough to keep Brady, so why should Rowe get a pass?)
The attendance is getting worse.

He is one hell of a recruiter and the team plays hard.

The product on the court is much worse and so are the results.

give him one more year and see what happens

1.5. Needs to improve in game management and coaching adjustments. Good recruiter, and players have developed as season(s) have progressed, most notably Wilson, Lewis, and Parker this year.

(03-11-2019 08:40 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 08:38 AM)#YEEHAWDUKES Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 08:22 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I think his appraisal needs to be based on Bourne's own comments after Brady was let go.
Many of the factors I don't know about (getting out there in the community, etc).
The product on the court is better but the results are the same (those results weren't enough to keep Brady, so why should Rowe get a pass?)
The attendance is getting worse.

He is one hell of a recruiter and the team plays hard.

The product on the court is much worse and so are the results.

give him one more year and see what happens

What ever happened to three years being enough? He isn't going to magically become a better coach. He is what he is at this point.
This is the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and expecting different results.
Talent is great, but what happens to talent when there isn't a coach to make them better?

Louis Rowe basketball camps are suddenly not taking registrations, the message says This Event is Currently Pending and not open for registration. That is new, a week ago registrations were being accepted. Is it just a glitch in the registration, or does it actually mean something? I guess we'll find out.

https://register.ryzer.com/camp.cfm?sport=4&id=135078

(03-11-2019 08:51 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 08:40 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 08:38 AM)#YEEHAWDUKES Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 08:22 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I think his appraisal needs to be based on Bourne's own comments after Brady was let go.
Many of the factors I don't know about (getting out there in the community, etc).
The product on the court is better but the results are the same (those results weren't enough to keep Brady, so why should Rowe get a pass?)
The attendance is getting worse.

He is one hell of a recruiter and the team plays hard.

The product on the court is much worse and so are the results.

give him one more year and see what happens

What ever happened to three years being enough? He isn't going to magically become a better coach. He is what he is at this point.
This is the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and expecting different results.
Talent is great, but what happens to talent when there isn't a coach to make them better?

Three years is enough. We know what we have in Rowe. The admin needs to make a change and bring in a better coach for next season and get ready for the opening of the new stadium in 2020-2021.

30-65 or whatever against bad schedules is enough. Somehow going 9-9 and 17-15 next season is not good enough either.

A better coach would have led to better results the last two seasons.

There needs to be a change.

(03-11-2019 05:11 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 03:19 AM)hburg Wrote:  Young team. Expectations were not met, but I 5think you give him another year to prove himself.

Can any JMU fan argue that “expectations” were met this season?

It would be shocking (at least to me) if a change was made at this time, for reasons discussed ad nauseum on other threads.

That shared, a change should be made. I feel this way based on the criteria (“expectations”) set by the AD for the HC of MBB. These “expectations” are essentially no different than those set-down for any other HC st JMU, and LR has met none of them in three successive years of his tenure.

Program success (and HC success) is based on a number of factors, but basically it comes down to Ws and Ls. Program opportunities for post-season play and success on a larger stage are really simply extensions of regular season Ws and Ls. Other evaluation factors (attendance, recruiting, player retention and development, etc.) are all factors too, but there is nothing in LR’s record as HC that is exemplary.

Bottom line, I am not persuaded that LR needs (or deserves) another year to “prove himself.” LR has shown me enough, thank you very much.

JMU should reassign LR within the athletic department, and immediately begin the process of hiring a seasoned HC with an established record of success. The LR reassignment should be handled concurrently with the hiring process, and the completion of the NCAAT season. The returning players need to know as quickly as possible who their new coach would be, and allowed the opportunity to make decisions on whether to stay or transfer. JMU fans also deserve better, and to be treated with respect and honesty when it comes to established “expectations” for the MBB program. Are “expections” for JMU MBB success “real” and actionable, or are they “borne” of simply hypocritical blather meant to save cents on the dollar when multi-multi millions are being invested in facilities?

I've read a lot over the past 20 hours. If I had any ability to articulate, the above is what I would have said. I couldn't agree more.

I do understand we are in a tough spot because of the contract length ($) and the opening of the new arena in 2020 but I have seen enough. This is all I need to know:

2016-17: 10-23 (7-11) T-7th place CAA
2017-18: 10-22 (6-12) T-7th place CAA
2018-19: 13-18 (6-12) T-8th place CAA

Last year’s narrative: we had 4 freshmen with solid playing time this year; next year is going to be great.
Then we finished worse than we did last year.

This year’s narrative: we had 4 sophomores and competed; next year is going to be great.

Next year’s narrative: we brought in a lot of great recruits, but they were freshmen. Give them another year, combined with 4 seniors and next year is going to be great.

At what point do we move on? We need to be better than this in basketball. We are below mediocre. I watched the Liberty/Lipscomb game yesterday. What a game. The arena was electric and both teams went at it. Sad we have fallen behind Liberty in basketball. This will be their 4th year in the tourney since 94. As we all know, we've been twice since 94.

(03-11-2019 09:03 AM)wmacson Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 05:11 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 03:19 AM)hburg Wrote:  Young team. Expectations were not met, but I 5think you give him another year to prove himself.

Can any JMU fan argue that “expectations” were met this season?

It would be shocking (at least to me) if a change was made at this time, for reasons discussed ad nauseum on other threads.

That shared, a change should be made. I feel this way based on the criteria (“expectations”) set by the AD for the HC of MBB. These “expectations” are essentially no different than those set-down for any other HC st JMU, and LR has met none of them in three successive years of his tenure.

Program success (and HC success) is based on a number of factors, but basically it comes down to Ws and Ls. Program opportunities for post-season play and success on a larger stage are really simply extensions of regular season Ws and Ls. Other evaluation factors (attendance, recruiting, player retention and development, etc.) are all factors too, but there is nothing in LR’s record as HC that is exemplary.

Bottom line, I am not persuaded that LR needs (or deserves) another year to “prove himself.” LR has shown me enough, thank you very much.

JMU should reassign LR within the athletic department, and immediately begin the process of hiring a seasoned HC with an established record of success. The LR reassignment should be handled concurrently with the hiring process, and the completion of the NCAAT season. The returning players need to know as quickly as possible who their new coach would be, and allowed the opportunity to make decisions on whether to stay or transfer. JMU fans also deserve better, and to be treated with respect and honesty when it comes to established “expectations” for the MBB program. Are “expections” for JMU MBB success “real” and actionable, or are they “borne” of simply hypocritical blather meant to save cents on the dollar when multi-multi millions are being invested in facilities?

I've read a lot over the past 20 hours. If I had any ability to articulate, the above is what I would have said. I couldn't agree more.

I do understand we are in a tough spot because of the contract length ($) and the opening of the new arena in 2020 but I have seen enough. This is all I need to know:

2016-17: 10-23 (7-11) T-7th place CAA
2017-18: 10-22 (6-12) T-7th place CAA
2018-19: 13-18 (6-12) T-8th place CAA

Last year’s narrative: we had 4 freshmen with solid playing time this year; next year is going to be great.
Then we finished worse than we did last year.

This year’s narrative: we had 4 sophomores and competed; next year is going to be great.

Next year’s narrative: we brought in a lot of great recruits, but they were freshmen. Give them another year, combined with 4 seniors and next year is going to be great.

At what point do we move on? We need to be better than this in basketball. We are below mediocre. I watched the Liberty/Lipscomb game yesterday. What a game. The arena was electric and both teams went at it. Sad we have fallen behind Liberty in basketball. This will be their 4th year in the tourney since 94. As we all know, we've been twice since 94.

Actually, once since 1994 and the Culuko shot. 1994 was our 5th straight regular season title. We are currently still so far from that level. Need to put a program in place to compete for conference titles and fill up the new stadium.

(03-11-2019 09:20 AM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 09:03 AM)wmacson Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 05:11 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 03:19 AM)hburg Wrote:  Young team. Expectations were not met, but I 5think you give him another year to prove himself.

Can any JMU fan argue that “expectations” were met this season?

It would be shocking (at least to me) if a change was made at this time, for reasons discussed ad nauseum on other threads.

That shared, a change should be made. I feel this way based on the criteria (“expectations”) set by the AD for the HC of MBB. These “expectations” are essentially no different than those set-down for any other HC st JMU, and LR has met none of them in three successive years of his tenure.

Program success (and HC success) is based on a number of factors, but basically it comes down to Ws and Ls. Program opportunities for post-season play and success on a larger stage are really simply extensions of regular season Ws and Ls. Other evaluation factors (attendance, recruiting, player retention and development, etc.) are all factors too, but there is nothing in LR’s record as HC that is exemplary.

Bottom line, I am not persuaded that LR needs (or deserves) another year to “prove himself.” LR has shown me enough, thank you very much.

JMU should reassign LR within the athletic department, and immediately begin the process of hiring a seasoned HC with an established record of success. The LR reassignment should be handled concurrently with the hiring process, and the completion of the NCAAT season. The returning players need to know as quickly as possible who their new coach would be, and allowed the opportunity to make decisions on whether to stay or transfer. JMU fans also deserve better, and to be treated with respect and honesty when it comes to established “expectations” for the MBB program. Are “expections” for JMU MBB success “real” and actionable, or are they “borne” of simply hypocritical blather meant to save cents on the dollar when multi-multi millions are being invested in facilities?

I've read a lot over the past 20 hours. If I had any ability to articulate, the above is what I would have said. I couldn't agree more.

I do understand we are in a tough spot because of the contract length ($) and the opening of the new arena in 2020 but I have seen enough. This is all I need to know:

2016-17: 10-23 (7-11) T-7th place CAA
2017-18: 10-22 (6-12) T-7th place CAA
2018-19: 13-18 (6-12) T-8th place CAA

Last year’s narrative: we had 4 freshmen with solid playing time this year; next year is going to be great.
Then we finished worse than we did last year.

This year’s narrative: we had 4 sophomores and competed; next year is going to be great.

Next year’s narrative: we brought in a lot of great recruits, but they were freshmen. Give them another year, combined with 4 seniors and next year is going to be great.

At what point do we move on? We need to be better than this in basketball. We are below mediocre. I watched the Liberty/Lipscomb game yesterday. What a game. The arena was electric and both teams went at it. Sad we have fallen behind Liberty in basketball. This will be their 4th year in the tourney since 94. As we all know, we've been twice since 94.

Actually, once since 1994 and the Culuko shot. 1994 was our 5th straight regular season title. We are currently still so far from that level. Need to put a program in place to compete for conference titles and fill up the new stadium.

I was counting 1994. Guess I should have said since 1993. Either way, you are so right that we are "still so far from that level".

(03-11-2019 08:22 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I think his appraisal needs to be based on Bourne's own comments after Brady was let go.
Many of the factors I don't know about (getting out there in the community, etc).
The product on the court is better but the results are the same (those results weren't enough to keep Brady, so why should Rowe get a pass?)
The attendance is getting worse.

He is one hell of a recruiter and the team plays hard.

Rowe has said he's trying to do things the "right" way. Brady was still taking transfers in his 7th and 8th years. You just don't do that. You might take some transfers at first as a stopgap, but th at a not how you build a program. Brady was clueless as a recruiter and his retention was bad because he couldn't relate to the kids. With some acceptions, Rowe has done that we'll and he learned that transfers are problemmatic. I think it's worth giving him another year.

(03-11-2019 09:27 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 08:22 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I think his appraisal needs to be based on Bourne's own comments after Brady was let go.
Many of the factors I don't know about (getting out there in the community, etc).
The product on the court is better but the results are the same (those results weren't enough to keep Brady, so why should Rowe get a pass?)
The attendance is getting worse.

He is one hell of a recruiter and the team plays hard.

Rowe has said he's trying to do things the "right" way. Brady was still taking transfers in his 7th and 8th years. You just don't do that. You might take some transfers at first as a stopgap, but th at a not how you build a program. Brady was clueless as a recruiter and his retention was bad because he couldn't relate to the kids. With some acceptions, Rowe has done that we'll and he learned that transfers are problemmatic. I think it's worth giving him another year.

He has built it the right way, but there's a huge problem: he can't coach. His teams make the same mistakes. His defensive scheme is poor. Some things improved, but they were always there. Turnovers were the story all year long. And when it mattered most, we shot ourselves in the foot time and time again. Coaches are supposed to make sure that problems are fixed. They make sure that the thing that beat us doesn't beat us again.
Youth has been an issue, but players learn from their coaches. These issues that we've had have not just been a youth issue. Seniors were making the same mistakes.
How about those games where Lewis was a turnover machine and a liability and kept him in the game without consequences? How about those games where Rowe personally lost the game because he couldn't keep his cool? Those aren't problems with building a program. There's a much deeper issue. He may be building a team the right way, but he isn't coaching the right way.

(03-11-2019 09:27 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 08:22 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I think his appraisal needs to be based on Bourne's own comments after Brady was let go.
Many of the factors I don't know about (getting out there in the community, etc).
The product on the court is better but the results are the same (those results weren't enough to keep Brady, so why should Rowe get a pass?)
The attendance is getting worse.

He is one hell of a recruiter and the team plays hard.

Rowe has said he's trying to do things the "right" way. Brady was still taking transfers in his 7th and 8th years. You just don't do that. You might take some transfers at first as a stopgap, but th at a not how you build a program. Brady was clueless as a recruiter and his retention was bad because he couldn't relate to the kids. With some acceptions, Rowe has done that we'll and he learned that transfers are problemmatic. I think it's worth giving him another year.

I beg to differ. Brady knew basketball Xs and Os, and he knew talent, and could recruit it and develop it. Holding onto the talent and motivating it was another matter, but MB was far from "clueless" as a recruiter. That moniker was appropriate for Keener, but nor for MB.

(03-11-2019 09:03 AM)wmacson Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 05:11 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 03:19 AM)hburg Wrote:  Young team. Expectations were not met, but I 5think you give him another year to prove himself.

Can any JMU fan argue that “expectations” were met this season?

It would be shocking (at least to me) if a change was made at this time, for reasons discussed ad nauseum on other threads.

That shared, a change should be made. I feel this way based on the criteria (“expectations”) set by the AD for the HC of MBB. These “expectations” are essentially no different than those set-down for any other HC st JMU, and LR has met none of them in three successive years of his tenure.

Program success (and HC success) is based on a number of factors, but basically it comes down to Ws and Ls. Program opportunities for post-season play and success on a larger stage are really simply extensions of regular season Ws and Ls. Other evaluation factors (attendance, recruiting, player retention and development, etc.) are all factors too, but there is nothing in LR’s record as HC that is exemplary.

Bottom line, I am not persuaded that LR needs (or deserves) another year to “prove himself.” LR has shown me enough, thank you very much.

JMU should reassign LR within the athletic department, and immediately begin the process of hiring a seasoned HC with an established record of success. The LR reassignment should be handled concurrently with the hiring process, and the completion of the NCAAT season. The returning players need to know as quickly as possible who their new coach would be, and allowed the opportunity to make decisions on whether to stay or transfer. JMU fans also deserve better, and to be treated with respect and honesty when it comes to established “expectations” for the MBB program. Are “expections” for JMU MBB success “real” and actionable, or are they “borne” of simply hypocritical blather meant to save cents on the dollar when multi-multi millions are being invested in facilities?

I've read a lot over the past 20 hours. If I had any ability to articulate, the above is what I would have said. I couldn't agree more.

I do understand we are in a tough spot because of the contract length ($) and the opening of the new arena in 2020 but I have seen enough. This is all I need to know:

2016-17: 10-23 (7-11) T-7th place CAA
2017-18: 10-22 (6-12) T-7th place CAA
2018-19: 13-18 (6-12) T-8th place CAA

Last year’s narrative: we had 4 freshmen with solid playing time this year; next year is going to be great.
Then we finished worse than we did last year.

This year’s narrative: we had 4 sophomores and competed; next year is going to be great.

Next year’s narrative: we brought in a lot of great recruits, but they were freshmen. Give them another year, combined with 4 seniors and next year is going to be great.

At what point do we move on? We need to be better than this in basketball. We are below mediocre. I watched the Liberty/Lipscomb game yesterday. What a game. The arena was electric and both teams went at it. Sad we have fallen behind Liberty in basketball. This will be their 4th year in the tourney since 94. As we all know, we've been twice since 94.

Zach Spiker/Drexel

9-23 10th
13-20 7th
13-19 6th

I get that Zach Spiker (like Inglesby) took over worse off programs than Rowe but is Spikers seat warm? He has been marginally better than Rowe (unlike Lou he was an established head coach when he took the job though) and Inglesby has been better but not a world beater. We’ll see how Delaware plays vs #1 Hofstra tonight relative to how Jmu played them.

I’m not advocating for extreme patience like Delaware had with Monte Ross- even he eventually had a 25 win team that made the NCAAs. I think you would be hard pressed to find a mid major who cut bait with a coach after 3 years unless there was an off court issue.

The only one who comes to mind is Eastern Kentucky and Dan McHale and there was an Ad change there that played a role.

Do you guys have any other examples where mid majors fired a
Coach after 3 seasons? Maybe I’m missing something.

(03-11-2019 09:47 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 09:27 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 08:22 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  I think his appraisal needs to be based on Bourne's own comments after Brady was let go.
Many of the factors I don't know about (getting out there in the community, etc).
The product on the court is better but the results are the same (those results weren't enough to keep Brady, so why should Rowe get a pass?)
The attendance is getting worse.

He is one hell of a recruiter and the team plays hard.

Rowe has said he's trying to do things the "right" way. Brady was still taking transfers in his 7th and 8th years. You just don't do that. You might take some transfers at first as a stopgap, but th at a not how you build a program. Brady was clueless as a recruiter and his retention was bad because he couldn't relate to the kids. With some acceptions, Rowe has done that we'll and he learned that transfers are problemmatic. I think it's worth giving him another year.

He has built it the right way, but there's a huge problem: he can't coach. His teams make the same mistakes. His defensive scheme is poor. Some things improved, but they were always there. Turnovers were the story all year long. And when it mattered most, we shot ourselves in the foot time and time again. Coaches are supposed to make sure that problems are fixed. They make sure that the thing that beat us doesn't beat us again.
Youth has been an issue, but players learn from their coaches. These issues that we've had have not just been a youth issue. Seniors were making the same mistakes.
How about those games where Lewis was a turnover machine and a liability and kept him in the game without consequences? How about those games where Rowe personally lost the game because he couldn't keep his cool? Those aren't problems with building a program. There's a much deeper issue. He may be building a team the right way, but he isn't coaching the right way.

The turnovers actually improved statistically as the season went on. The defense was inconsistent. I think a lot is blamed on the head coach. The coach is culpable and we are all arm chair coaches but I think the occasional lapse - silly turnover, poor shot selection, defensive miscue is sometimes the product of the personnel and it is a young group. I can think of a few sloppy real bad turnovers yesterday by Parker and Urbach as an example. is that bad coaching or a bad system or just freshmen making mistakes? Some would argue the freshmen wouldn’t need to play had Rowe recruited better his first short year and that’s fair to some degree.

(03-11-2019 09:49 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 09:03 AM)wmacson Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 05:11 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 03:19 AM)hburg Wrote:  Young team. Expectations were not met, but I 5think you give him another year to prove himself.

Can any JMU fan argue that “expectations” were met this season?

It would be shocking (at least to me) if a change was made at this time, for reasons discussed ad nauseum on other threads.

That shared, a change should be made. I feel this way based on the criteria (“expectations”) set by the AD for the HC of MBB. These “expectations” are essentially no different than those set-down for any other HC st JMU, and LR has met none of them in three successive years of his tenure.

Program success (and HC success) is based on a number of factors, but basically it comes down to Ws and Ls. Program opportunities for post-season play and success on a larger stage are really simply extensions of regular season Ws and Ls. Other evaluation factors (attendance, recruiting, player retention and development, etc.) are all factors too, but there is nothing in LR’s record as HC that is exemplary.

Bottom line, I am not persuaded that LR needs (or deserves) another year to “prove himself.” LR has shown me enough, thank you very much.

JMU should reassign LR within the athletic department, and immediately begin the process of hiring a seasoned HC with an established record of success. The LR reassignment should be handled concurrently with the hiring process, and the completion of the NCAAT season. The returning players need to know as quickly as possible who their new coach would be, and allowed the opportunity to make decisions on whether to stay or transfer. JMU fans also deserve better, and to be treated with respect and honesty when it comes to established “expectations” for the MBB program. Are “expections” for JMU MBB success “real” and actionable, or are they “borne” of simply hypocritical blather meant to save cents on the dollar when multi-multi millions are being invested in facilities?

I've read a lot over the past 20 hours. If I had any ability to articulate, the above is what I would have said. I couldn't agree more.

I do understand we are in a tough spot because of the contract length ($) and the opening of the new arena in 2020 but I have seen enough. This is all I need to know:

2016-17: 10-23 (7-11) T-7th place CAA
2017-18: 10-22 (6-12) T-7th place CAA
2018-19: 13-18 (6-12) T-8th place CAA

Last year’s narrative: we had 4 freshmen with solid playing time this year; next year is going to be great.
Then we finished worse than we did last year.

This year’s narrative: we had 4 sophomores and competed; next year is going to be great.

Next year’s narrative: we brought in a lot of great recruits, but they were freshmen. Give them another year, combined with 4 seniors and next year is going to be great.

At what point do we move on? We need to be better than this in basketball. We are below mediocre. I watched the Liberty/Lipscomb game yesterday. What a game. The arena was electric and both teams went at it. Sad we have fallen behind Liberty in basketball. This will be their 4th year in the tourney since 94. As we all know, we've been twice since 94.

Zach Spiker/Drexel

9-23 10th
13-20 7th
13-19 6th

I get that Zach Spiker (like Inglesby) took over worse off programs than Rowe but is Spikers seat warm? He has been marginally better than Rowe (unlike Lou he was an established head coach when he took the job though) and Inglesby has been better but not a world beater. We’ll see how Delaware plays vs #1 Hofstra tonight relative to how Jmu played them.

I’m not advocating for extreme patience like Delaware had with Monte Ross- even he eventually had a 25 win team that made the NCAAs. I think you would be hard pressed to find a mid major who cut bait with a coach after 3 years unless there was an off court issue.

The only one who comes to mind is Eastern Kentucky and Dan McHale and there was an Ad change there that played a role.

Do you guys have any other examples where mid majors fired a
Coach after 3 seasons? Maybe I’m missing something.

So, your premise is JMU should be like other so-called "mid-majors" MBB programs and keep a losing coach?

Tell me, what other "mid-majors" are building an $88 million dollar state-of-the-art arena and attached parking garage? What other "mid-majors" even come close as an academic institution with a MBB history (moldy as it may be) to JMU?

I won't hold my breath while you do the research.

JMU has gotten the last four HC searches wrong. They were all so-so mediocre at best, or flat out terrible. We can do better. We must do better. The institution, students, fans (those that are left) and the community deserve better. Its time to move on.

That said, get ready to hear/read that LR will be back.