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RE: Thoughts on Rhode Island, etc...
(03-06-2018 01:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 12:48 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 12:04 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  Any new adds must have 30k+ enrollment or Army/Air Force.

Already with Tulane (13.5k) /Tulsa (4.6k)/SMU (11k) we have enough small, private schools where students flea upon graduation.

Maybe Rhode Island (18.3k) would be more like WSU (15k) or Memphis (21k). In that it feels kind of like a land grant state school with a big local fan base.

But you have VCU (31k) and UMASS (28.6k). Boise brings great football but at 22k enrollment I don't think the travel expenses make sense.

Some more enrollment sizes:

SDSU: 33.7k
CSU: 33k
UNLV: 28.6k


FIU: 53k
FAU: 31k
UTSA: 29k
ODU: 25k

Buffalo: 30k
Kent St: 30k
NIU: 25k

Georgia St: 50k
UT-Arlington: 39k
Texas State: 39k

GSU intrigues me. I'm not advocating adding them anytime soon, but they seem to have potential.

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I am a alumnus of Metropolitan State University of Denver...a D2 school with an enrollment of more than 35k. Similar situation to Georgia State...an urban, commuter school with a majority of part-time and professional students. And like Georgia State, most MSUD students and alumni pull for some other school...University of Colorado or one of the pro-teams. (Hell, I started pulling for Cincinnati while I was there...) It's not that we don't love our Roadrunners, but simply that most MSUD students don't spend the same amount of time on the campus as the "traditional" campus students do. We commuted in, we worked, we raised families...all while studying and earning our degrees.

Why am I telling you this story? Because I'm not trying to dump on Georgia State. But just because that have an enrollment of "50k" doesn't necessarily translate into major fan interest. They are a large, urban, commuter school; I don't think they fit into what this conference is trying to do.

I worked at DU when Metro tried to change their name to Denver State, but DU fought it tooth and nail. Metro could have been the Wichita State of the west......
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RE: Thoughts on Rhode Island, etc...
My thought on Rhode Island?

It's tiny, and the most famous town in Rhode Island was made up by Seth McFarlane.

Pass.
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RE: Thoughts on Rhode Island, etc...
(03-06-2018 02:05 PM)geef Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 12:48 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 12:04 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  Any new adds must have 30k+ enrollment or Army/Air Force.

Already with Tulane (13.5k) /Tulsa (4.6k)/SMU (11k) we have enough small, private schools where students flea upon graduation.

Maybe Rhode Island (18.3k) would be more like WSU (15k) or Memphis (21k). In that it feels kind of like a land grant state school with a big local fan base.

But you have VCU (31k) and UMASS (28.6k). Boise brings great football but at 22k enrollment I don't think the travel expenses make sense.

Some more enrollment sizes:

SDSU: 33.7k
CSU: 33k
UNLV: 28.6k


FIU: 53k
FAU: 31k
UTSA: 29k
ODU: 25k

Buffalo: 30k
Kent St: 30k
NIU: 25k

Georgia St: 50k
UT-Arlington: 39k
Texas State: 39k

GSU intrigues me. I'm not advocating adding them anytime soon, but they seem to have potential.

03-banghead

I am a alumnus of Metropolitan State University of Denver...a D2 school with an enrollment of more than 35k. Similar situation to Georgia State...an urban, commuter school with a majority of part-time and professional students. And like Georgia State, most MSUD students and alumni pull for some other school...University of Colorado or one of the pro-teams. (Hell, I started pulling for Cincinnati while I was there...) It's not that we don't love our Roadrunners, but simply that most MSUD students don't spend the same amount of time on the campus as the "traditional" campus students do. We commuted in, we worked, we raised families...all while studying and earning our degrees.

Why am I telling you this story? Because I'm not trying to dump on Georgia State. But just because that have an enrollment of "50k" doesn't necessarily translate into major fan interest. They are a large, urban, commuter school; I don't think they fit into what this conference is trying to do.

I worked at DU when Metro tried to change their name to Denver State, but DU fought it tooth and nail. Metro could have been the Wichita State of the west......

There was a lot of politics that went into that... The whole "Denver State" thing would have folded UCD into the school and the CU board of Regents were never going to allow that to happen. Then the University of Denver objected to the use of the name... It was never going to happen.

OT, but the original model had three, equal schools on a single campus: the Community College of Denver (CCD) would offer Associate Level and Certificate type degrees, Metro State would offer Bachelor's level degrees, and University of Colorado at Denver would offer Graduate degrees. In theory, a student with a GED could start at CCD, progress seamlessly to Metro, and finish with a Masters or Doctorate through the UC system at UCD. But UCD offered undergrad classes, and Metro now offers Master's level classes. A whole lot of duplication and turf-guarding.
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(03-06-2018 05:26 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:  If the AAC tries to bump their stock up at the behest of ESPN, do you think an Army/Rode Island and Boise/Umass add is something that would be palatable to both ESPN and AAC ADs/Prezes (of course a BYU/Gonzaga add would be the optimal brand name choice, but seeing the difficulty with the logistics involved, it's a dead in the water issue)? I mean two national brand/national fan bases in football, plus two state flagship schools in basketball (that bring local rivalries for UCONN) makes sense, doesn't it?

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(03-06-2018 02:06 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  My thought on Rhode Island?

It's tiny, and the most famous town in Rhode Island was made up by Seth McFarlane.

Pass.



Providence is a decent sized city and Rhode Island's potential fan base is 1 million plus.
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(03-06-2018 02:26 PM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:06 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  My thought on Rhode Island?

It's tiny, and the most famous town in Rhode Island was made up by Seth McFarlane.

Pass.



Providence is a decent sized city and Rhode Island's potential fan base is 1 million plus.

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RE: Thoughts on Rhode Island, etc...
(03-06-2018 02:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 05:26 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:  If the AAC tries to bump their stock up at the behest of ESPN, do you think an Army/Rode Island and Boise/Umass add is something that would be palatable to both ESPN and AAC ADs/Prezes (of course a BYU/Gonzaga add would be the optimal brand name choice, but seeing the difficulty with the logistics involved, it's a dead in the water issue)? I mean two national brand/national fan bases in football, plus two state flagship schools in basketball (that bring local rivalries for UCONN) makes sense, doesn't it?

WsU Tang Clan eh?





You already know the answer .... not gonna happen.


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(03-06-2018 02:37 PM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:  A guy can dream, right? As far as the P5 cartel goes...Cash Rules Everything Around Me....





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(03-06-2018 02:37 PM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:  A guy can dream, right? As far as the P5 cartel goes...Cash Rules Everything Around Me....





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RE: Thoughts on Rhode Island, etc...
(03-06-2018 02:05 PM)geef Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 12:48 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 12:04 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  Any new adds must have 30k+ enrollment or Army/Air Force.

Already with Tulane (13.5k) /Tulsa (4.6k)/SMU (11k) we have enough small, private schools where students flea upon graduation.

Maybe Rhode Island (18.3k) would be more like WSU (15k) or Memphis (21k). In that it feels kind of like a land grant state school with a big local fan base.

But you have VCU (31k) and UMASS (28.6k). Boise brings great football but at 22k enrollment I don't think the travel expenses make sense.

Some more enrollment sizes:

SDSU: 33.7k
CSU: 33k
UNLV: 28.6k


FIU: 53k
FAU: 31k
UTSA: 29k
ODU: 25k

Buffalo: 30k
Kent St: 30k
NIU: 25k

Georgia St: 50k
UT-Arlington: 39k
Texas State: 39k

GSU intrigues me. I'm not advocating adding them anytime soon, but they seem to have potential.

03-banghead

I am a alumnus of Metropolitan State University of Denver...a D2 school with an enrollment of more than 35k. Similar situation to Georgia State...an urban, commuter school with a majority of part-time and professional students. And like Georgia State, most MSUD students and alumni pull for some other school...University of Colorado or one of the pro-teams. (Hell, I started pulling for Cincinnati while I was there...) It's not that we don't love our Roadrunners, but simply that most MSUD students don't spend the same amount of time on the campus as the "traditional" campus students do. We commuted in, we worked, we raised families...all while studying and earning our degrees.

Why am I telling you this story? Because I'm not trying to dump on Georgia State. But just because that have an enrollment of "50k" doesn't necessarily translate into major fan interest. They are a large, urban, commuter school; I don't think they fit into what this conference is trying to do.

I worked at DU when Metro tried to change their name to Denver State, but DU fought it tooth and nail. Metro could have been the Wichita State of the west......

I went to WSU and live in Denver. So from firsthand experience with both, there is no way Metro would be the WSU of the west--not even in any alternate universe. WSU dominates (that's not even a strong enough word) a market of about 700,000. Metro isn't even a blip on the radar screen of a market dominated (again, not a strong enough word) by the Broncos. It's more reasonable to say Metro could have been the San Diego State of the Rockies.

I do agree that Metro got the shaft on the name change.
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(03-06-2018 02:44 PM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:39 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:37 PM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:  A guy can dream, right? As far as the P5 cartel goes...Cash Rules Everything Around Me....





Bad dreams are only dreams...


Bad dreams are actually nightmares...like what happened to the real Big East.





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(03-06-2018 05:39 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Oh dear sweet Jesus... It's not even the off season yet.

It is for some of us.
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RE: Thoughts on Rhode Island, etc...
(03-06-2018 02:00 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:50 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 12:48 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 12:04 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  Any new adds must have 30k+ enrollment or Army/Air Force.

Already with Tulane (13.5k) /Tulsa (4.6k)/SMU (11k) we have enough small, private schools where students flea upon graduation.

Maybe Rhode Island (18.3k) would be more like WSU (15k) or Memphis (21k). In that it feels kind of like a land grant state school with a big local fan base.

But you have VCU (31k) and UMASS (28.6k). Boise brings great football but at 22k enrollment I don't think the travel expenses make sense.

Some more enrollment sizes:

SDSU: 33.7k
CSU: 33k
UNLV: 28.6k


FIU: 53k
FAU: 31k
UTSA: 29k
ODU: 25k

Buffalo: 30k
Kent St: 30k
NIU: 25k

Georgia St: 50k
UT-Arlington: 39k
Texas State: 39k

GSU intrigues me. I'm not advocating adding them anytime soon, but they seem to have potential.

03-banghead

I am a alumnus of Metropolitan State University of Denver...a D2 school with an enrollment of more than 35k. Similar situation to Georgia State...an urban, commuter school with a majority of part-time and professional students. And like Georgia State, most MSUD students and alumni pull for some other school...University of Colorado or one of the pro-teams. (Hell, I started pulling for Cincinnati while I was there...) It's not that we don't love our Roadrunners, but simply that most MSUD students don't spend the same amount of time on the campus as the "traditional" campus students do. We commuted in, we worked, we raised families...all while studying and earning our degrees.

Why am I telling you this story? Because I'm not trying to dump on Georgia State. But just because that have an enrollment of "50k" doesn't necessarily translate into major fan interest. They are a large, urban, commuter school; I don't think they fit into what this conference is trying to do.

That's a fair point, and like I said before I am not advocating adding them.

From the outside looking in it appears they are trying to change their model at least somewhat. I wonder if they are trying to become the next UCF.

UCF/USF/Louisville were all once commuter schools. If you could buy in early on a program like that in Atlanta...
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(03-06-2018 07:30 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  VCU should the only non football program we go after. Gets us in the Virginia market.

I would add Army football only/VCU and BYU. Gives us 14 for all sports.

This would be a great addition but BYU is holding out for an invite to the B-12. UMASS would be a viable substitute in the Northeast though for Temple and UConn regionally. However the AAC won't be expanding past Wichita to balance Navy until the next realignment when the B-12 GOR's is open again. 04-cheers
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(03-07-2018 09:29 AM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 07:30 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  VCU should the only non football program we go after. Gets us in the Virginia market.

I would add Army football only/VCU and BYU. Gives us 14 for all sports.

This would be a great addition but BYU is holding out for an invite to the B-12. UMASS would be a viable substitute in the Northeast though for Temple and UConn regionally. However the AAC won't be expanding past Wichita to balance Navy until the next realignment when the B-12 GOR's is open again. 04-cheers



If UMASS could get to the level of at least Temple in football and bball in the near future, I could see the AAC adding them and Army w/RI bball to provide some northeast rivals for UCONN, Temple and to a lesser extent Cincy (if of course BYU, BSU, Air Force are off the table); unfortunately, I don't see it increasing the TV contract and if the western option is a no go or not something ESPN asks for at renegotiation time, expansion is a dead issue for now until the GORs expire.
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I don't get why everyone wants to further dilute the product. 12 teams is plenty.
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(03-07-2018 10:02 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I don't get why everyone wants to further dilute the product. 12 teams is plenty.


Understood, I just wish we had 2 more strong teams in football and basketball, instead of 2 cellar dwellers in each sport.
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(03-07-2018 10:02 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I don't get why everyone wants to further dilute the product. 12 teams is plenty.

It's not about diluting the product. It's about adding value to it. If there are no schools out there that add value to the brand, then we stay at 12.

I'm obviously of the opinion that VCU would add value to the AAC. Army would likewise. Rhode Island, UMass, SLU, etc. do not. BYU does, but it's a travel nightmare.
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(03-07-2018 09:58 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:  
(03-07-2018 09:29 AM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 07:30 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  VCU should the only non football program we go after. Gets us in the Virginia market.

I would add Army football only/VCU and BYU. Gives us 14 for all sports.

This would be a great addition but BYU is holding out for an invite to the B-12. UMASS would be a viable substitute in the Northeast though for Temple and UConn regionally. However the AAC won't be expanding past Wichita to balance Navy until the next realignment when the B-12 GOR's is open again. 04-cheers



If UMASS could get to the level of at least Temple in football and bball in the near future, I could see the AAC adding them and Army w/RI bball to provide some northeast rivals for UCONN, Temple and to a lesser extent Cincy (if of course BYU, BSU, Air Force are off the table); unfortunately, I don't see it increasing the TV contract and if the western option is a no go or not something ESPN asks for at renegotiation time, expansion is a dead issue for now until the GORs expire.

UMass Basketball since Calipari left in 1996 (22 seasons):

12 seasons at .500 or worse
3 NCAA tourney bids (0-3)

UMass Football since moving to FBS in 2012 (6 seasons):

14-57
0 Bowl bids
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(03-07-2018 10:21 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(03-07-2018 09:58 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:  
(03-07-2018 09:29 AM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 07:30 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  VCU should the only non football program we go after. Gets us in the Virginia market.

I would add Army football only/VCU and BYU. Gives us 14 for all sports.

This would be a great addition but BYU is holding out for an invite to the B-12. UMASS would be a viable substitute in the Northeast though for Temple and UConn regionally. However the AAC won't be expanding past Wichita to balance Navy until the next realignment when the B-12 GOR's is open again. 04-cheers



If UMASS could get to the level of at least Temple in football and bball in the near future, I could see the AAC adding them and Army w/RI bball to provide some northeast rivals for UCONN, Temple and to a lesser extent Cincy (if of course BYU, BSU, Air Force are off the table); unfortunately, I don't see it increasing the TV contract and if the western option is a no go or not something ESPN asks for at renegotiation time, expansion is a dead issue for now until the GORs expire.

UMass Basketball since Calipari left in 1996 (22 seasons):

12 seasons at .500 or worse
3 NCAA tourney bids (0-3)

UMass Football since moving to FBS in 2012 (6 seasons):

14-57
0 Bowl bids


I am fully aware of this.
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