(05-28-2018 09:34 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 12:01 PM)karter25 Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 10:27 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 08:37 PM)karter25 Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 07:38 PM)Shooters Wrote:  No, because the average fan didn’t carry those suites for the first 10 years.

No, I believe in charging what the market will bear.

No. I don’t think you can run your own business for 25 years and be a communist can you? Are there still communist countries?

I am considered elite in my financial contribution to TSF. However, these new elites are,in all likelihood, are fair weather fans and the hundreds (close to 1k) that were forced to give up Tiger Lane spots probably won’t come back when new elites drop out after a tough season.

AD needs to decide who his fan base is othe than “who can give us the MOST MONEY THIS YEAR); because that is the modus operandi right now and basically since Bowen has been there.

That thinking is true at any event. The people with the most money and influence get the best parking spots, seats and overall amenities. Just the way it is.

I had a detailed reply but somehow I was writing a post but not logged on even though I did log on.

Short and sweet. Putting everything you have up for the highest bidder each year is not the way to build a successful program and I think was one factor in very swift decline in basketball season ticket holders. I know several that said it’s pay back time and I can get a ticket to any game I want. They were pissed

The biggest problem with basketball attendance was the result of bad teams and poor coaching jobs. I am sure there were some that got their feeling hurt over seating prices, but if people are watching a good product and having fun, they are less likely to complain about prices. I know my football tickets have nearly doubled in price over the past 5 or 6 years. I have no problem with that. Would I rather pay $200 for a season ticket and watch Porter kill the program or pay $475 and watch Norvell kick butt.
Money is always gonna win out over loyalty. If the Tiger lane spots with the highest value can be sold under the new plan and raise more money, any smart business man would do that. Bowen is an AD running a business. The city and the school must stay on top of the ever changing landscape of sports and entertainment.

So all of you that posted basically agree everything we have (BB tickets, FB tickets, Forum parking, Tiger Lane Spots) are, by definition, open to the highest bidder each and every year? It happened during Cals years. And many times at reseatings

yep. it costs money to be big-time

Here is a photo from the olemiss game a few years ago. There were a few tents and bouncy toys on Tiger Lane. That was 2015 and there appears to be 6 or 7 tents...2 very large ones. I believe a stage was added this year.

(05-28-2018 11:33 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Some pointers from those who tailgate to the max.

OXFORD, Miss. - Football season is here, and in the South, that means it's time for some serious tailgating. But because tailgating requires quick setup and cleanup, it can be tough on the environment.

"Our hope is that we can respect and preserve the campus environment, particularly special places such as the Grove, so that future generations can enjoy the same beautiful Ole Miss campus for years to come," Morrison said. "A simple step for us to take is to commit to leaving the Grove the same way we found it when we pack up and leave."

Rebel fans can help the university meet its sustainability goals by taking a few simple steps to make their time in the Grove, Circle and other tailgating areas more environmentally friendly. Here are a few things you can do to help:
1. Use biodegradable plates and utensils rather than standard disposables. Many such products are made from compostable materials such as cornstarch, sugar cane and soy products. Better yet, pack reusable plastic dishes and utensils. Carry them home for washing in a plastic storage container with a tight-fitting lid.
2. Set up pop-up garbage cans to collect aluminum cans, plastic soft drink bottles and other recyclables. The Ole Miss Staff Council Recycling Committee also plans to hand out recycling bags in the Grove Saturday (Aug. 30) before the Ole Miss-Memphis game. Drop them into the appropriate container after the game, or take them home for recycling.
3. Instead of bottled water, fill a drink cooler with water and ice. For flavored beverages, stir in a pouch or can of powdered drink mix.
4. Carry food and supplies in a fabric or plastic mesh shopping bag rather than disposable paper or plastic bags. Use reusable plastic containers instead of plastic bags to transport food.
5. Buy food and supplies in bulk. Not only will you save a little money but the larger packaging cuts down on waste.
6. Consider Earth-friendly eats, including vegetarian entrees and locally produced veggies, fruits and dairy products, which are fresher and take less energy to get to your tailgate than groceries that are trucked cross-country. Check out the offerings at local farmers' markets when planning your menu.
7. Open flames are not allowed in the Grove, but charcoal grills are OK. Unfortunately, charcoal often is made with coal dust and other unhealthy additives. Choose eco-friendly charcoal, including lump charcoal (made from charred wood) that's harvested from sustainably managed forests or pillow-shaped briquettes made from scrap wood. You can find these "greener" varieties from online sources or at some upscale markets, such as Whole Foods.
8. Use cloth napkins that can be washed or, at least, napkins made from recycled paper.
9. Consider riding a bike or carpooling to campus. Not only will you save gas, but you'll also minimize parking hassles.
10. Use a hand-cranked radio rather than a battery-powered model. Many hand-powered radios are so efficient that you can get 30 minutes of playing time by spinning the crank only 90 seconds. A few models can even be used to recharge your dead cellphone batteries
11. Burner phones should be beaten with a large hammer and disposed in the weighted bag marked Mississippi River.

For more information about the Ole Miss green initiative, contact Morrison at 662-915-1678 or jwmorris@olemiss.edu.

lmao

(05-29-2018 10:04 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 09:34 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 12:01 PM)karter25 Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 10:27 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 08:37 PM)karter25 Wrote:  That thinking is true at any event. The people with the most money and influence get the best parking spots, seats and overall amenities. Just the way it is.

I had a detailed reply but somehow I was writing a post but not logged on even though I did log on.

Short and sweet. Putting everything you have up for the highest bidder each year is not the way to build a successful program and I think was one factor in very swift decline in basketball season ticket holders. I know several that said it’s pay back time and I can get a ticket to any game I want. They were pissed

The biggest problem with basketball attendance was the result of bad teams and poor coaching jobs. I am sure there were some that got their feeling hurt over seating prices, but if people are watching a good product and having fun, they are less likely to complain about prices. I know my football tickets have nearly doubled in price over the past 5 or 6 years. I have no problem with that. Would I rather pay $200 for a season ticket and watch Porter kill the program or pay $475 and watch Norvell kick butt.
Money is always gonna win out over loyalty. If the Tiger lane spots with the highest value can be sold under the new plan and raise more money, any smart business man would do that. Bowen is an AD running a business. The city and the school must stay on top of the ever changing landscape of sports and entertainment.

So all of you that posted basically agree everything we have (BB tickets, FB tickets, Forum parking, Tiger Lane Spots) are, by definition, open to the highest bidder each and every year? It happened during Cals years. And many times at reseatings

yep. it costs money to be big-time

I don’t want to beat this to death but if it were you getting bought out of your seats, I suspect you would have a different attitude. It can happen to anyone but only hurts if it’s you. I know at least 8-10 $5k donors it has happened to. They tell me how many years they have supported both sports and where they are in the Forum and it’s mind boggling that that can happen.

No way to keep good fans. And despite arguments to the contrary, I think some people said “pay back time” when Basketball nosedived.

(05-29-2018 09:17 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 10:04 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 09:34 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 12:01 PM)karter25 Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 10:27 PM)Shooters Wrote:  I had a detailed reply but somehow I was writing a post but not logged on even though I did log on.

Short and sweet. Putting everything you have up for the highest bidder each year is not the way to build a successful program and I think was one factor in very swift decline in basketball season ticket holders. I know several that said it’s pay back time and I can get a ticket to any game I want. They were pissed

The biggest problem with basketball attendance was the result of bad teams and poor coaching jobs. I am sure there were some that got their feeling hurt over seating prices, but if people are watching a good product and having fun, they are less likely to complain about prices. I know my football tickets have nearly doubled in price over the past 5 or 6 years. I have no problem with that. Would I rather pay $200 for a season ticket and watch Porter kill the program or pay $475 and watch Norvell kick butt.
Money is always gonna win out over loyalty. If the Tiger lane spots with the highest value can be sold under the new plan and raise more money, any smart business man would do that. Bowen is an AD running a business. The city and the school must stay on top of the ever changing landscape of sports and entertainment.

So all of you that posted basically agree everything we have (BB tickets, FB tickets, Forum parking, Tiger Lane Spots) are, by definition, open to the highest bidder each and every year? It happened during Cals years. And many times at reseatings

yep. it costs money to be big-time

I don’t want to beat this to death but if it were you getting bought out of your seats, I suspect you would have a different attitude. It can happen to anyone but only hurts if it’s you. I know at least 8-10 $5k donors it has happened to. They tell me how many years they have supported both sports and where they are in the Forum and it’s mind boggling that that can happen.

No way to keep good fans. And despite arguments to the contrary, I think some people said “pay back time” when Basketball nosedived.

I attend many different sporting events all over the country. In most instances, the people with the most money and best connections get the best seats and best parking. I have had the same seats for several years at some of these events. Then prices were raised above my comfort zone or other conditions were put into the purchase of those tickets, such as buying a 2 day pass when I could only be there 1 day, that I couldn't abide by so I simply bought tickets in another area. I moved on. You keep mentioning basketball. Once again, I am sure some quit buying because of pricing or reseating but the team and the program was a mess for the last 4 or 5 years. If a person isn't getting their money's worth with their ticket purchase, I don't blame them for not buying tickets.

Acute funding requirements places the Administration in a quandary. They must generate more money, but risk alienating loyal fans with limited means by favoring loaded bandwagon fans.

I fall in the former category, but I understand that dollars superceeds all other considerations and will reluctantly accept changes resulting in less favorable seating, parking, etc for the overall health of the program.

i'm frequently loaded

(05-30-2018 08:08 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Acute funding requirements places the Administration in a quandary. They must generate more money, but risk alienating loyal fans with limited means by favoring loaded bandwagon fans.

I fall in the former category, but I understand that dollars superceeds all other considerations and will reluctantly accept changes resulting in less favorable seating, parking, etc for the overall health of the program.

Example: Fan A- Buys 6 season football ticket a year for 30 years, buys 4 season basketball tickets for 35 years; average donation for 25 years is $4,000.

Fan B; Buys 2 season basketball tickets for ONE YEAR donates $10K.

Who should have priority for any ticket or amenity?

(05-30-2018 01:16 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 08:08 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Acute funding requirements places the Administration in a quandary. They must generate more money, but risk alienating loyal fans with limited means by favoring loaded bandwagon fans.

I fall in the former category, but I understand that dollars superceeds all other considerations and will reluctantly accept changes resulting in less favorable seating, parking, etc for the overall health of the program.

Example: Fan A- Buys 6 season football ticket a year for 30 years, buys 4 season basketball tickets for 35 years; average donation for 25 years is $4,000.

Fan B; Buys 2 season basketball tickets for ONE YEAR donates $10K.

Who should have priority for any ticket or amenity?

You make assumptions that may not be valid. For example:
1. Fan A will not increase donations to maintain priority.
2. Fan B will stop after year one.
3. Fan A will continue the same figures in the future absent Fan B.

I think loyalty should be part of the equation, but money contributed must have the greatest weight. We need more funds or there will be no relevant program for anyone to enjoy.

(05-29-2018 09:17 PM)Shooters Wrote:  I don’t want to beat this to death ...

LOL

(05-29-2018 10:49 AM)3601 Wrote:  Here is a photo from the olemiss game a few years ago. There were a few tents and bouncy toys on Tiger Lane. That was 2015 and there appears to be 6 or 7 tents...2 very large ones. I believe a stage was added this year.

There are quite a few more now. There are probably 6 or 7 more advertising tents (Metro PCS, Sportsclips, etc.).

The big one in the middle is no longer there. That was the Alumni Association pregame food tent. It's now in the Pickering Center

(05-30-2018 02:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 01:16 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 08:08 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Acute funding requirements places the Administration in a quandary. They must generate more money, but risk alienating loyal fans with limited means by favoring loaded bandwagon fans.

I fall in the former category, but I understand that dollars superceeds all other considerations and will reluctantly accept changes resulting in less favorable seating, parking, etc for the overall health of the program.

Example: Fan A- Buys 6 season football ticket a year for 30 years, buys 4 season basketball tickets for 35 years; average donation for 25 years is $4,000.

Fan B; Buys 2 season basketball tickets for ONE YEAR donates $10K.

Who should have priority for any ticket or amenity?

You make assumptions that may not be valid. For example:
1. Fan A will not increase donations to maintain priority.
2. Fan B will stop after year one.
3. Fan A will continue the same figures in the future absent Fan B.

I think loyalty should be part of the equation, but money contributed must have the greatest weight. We need more funds or there will be no relevant program for anyone to enjoy.

I didn’t make ANY assumptions. I gave two scenarios as fans and asked a question. I think you are the one making assumptions because you answered your own questions.

I think a lot of you in this thread are not alumni, have never had a Tiger Lane spot, or prime lowel level BB season tickets or 50 yard line FB tickets or given the University a $150,000 in your lifetime. If you had these things and a first time donor (who may not even be an alumni) comes in with the next level up donation and takes your seats and is long gone now and the University probably lost Fan A for good.

Is that a good business model? Several have said you go with B because without money there will not be a program. THERE CERTAINLY WONT BE A PROGRAM UNLESS YOU HAVE ABOUT 10K OF FAN A’s. They are the financial foundation of the program and Bowen is not bright enough to know it.

(05-30-2018 09:36 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 02:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 01:16 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 08:08 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Acute funding requirements places the Administration in a quandary. They must generate more money, but risk alienating loyal fans with limited means by favoring loaded bandwagon fans.

I fall in the former category, but I understand that dollars superceeds all other considerations and will reluctantly accept changes resulting in less favorable seating, parking, etc for the overall health of the program.

Example: Fan A- Buys 6 season football ticket a year for 30 years, buys 4 season basketball tickets for 35 years; average donation for 25 years is $4,000.

Fan B; Buys 2 season basketball tickets for ONE YEAR donates $10K.

Who should have priority for any ticket or amenity?

You make assumptions that may not be valid. For example:
1. Fan A will not increase donations to maintain priority.
2. Fan B will stop after year one.
3. Fan A will continue the same figures in the future absent Fan B.

I think loyalty should be part of the equation, but money contributed must have the greatest weight. We need more funds or there will be no relevant program for anyone to enjoy.

I didn’t make ANY assumptions. I gave two scenarios as fans and asked a question. I think you are the one making assumptions because you answered your own questions.

I think a lot of you in this thread are not alumni, have never had a Tiger Lane spot, or prime lowel level BB season tickets or 50 yard line FB tickets or given the University a $150,000 in your lifetime. If you had these things and a first time donor (who may not even be an alumni) comes in with the next level up donation and takes your seats and is long gone now and the University probably lost Fan A for good.

Is that a good business model? Several have said you go with B because without money there will not be a program. THERE CERTAINLY WONT BE A PROGRAM UNLESS YOU HAVE ABOUT 10K OF FAN A’s. They are the financial foundation of the program and Bowen is not bright enough to know it.

If Fan A leaves the program because someone else provides more cash vital to the program in a given year, then he really is not much of a fan. He would rather nurse his indignation than be glad the program is in better financial shape.

(05-30-2018 10:43 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 09:36 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 02:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 01:16 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 08:08 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Acute funding requirements places the Administration in a quandary. They must generate more money, but risk alienating loyal fans with limited means by favoring loaded bandwagon fans.

I fall in the former category, but I understand that dollars superceeds all other considerations and will reluctantly accept changes resulting in less favorable seating, parking, etc for the overall health of the program.

Example: Fan A- Buys 6 season football ticket a year for 30 years, buys 4 season basketball tickets for 35 years; average donation for 25 years is $4,000.

Fan B; Buys 2 season basketball tickets for ONE YEAR donates $10K.

Who should have priority for any ticket or amenity?

You make assumptions that may not be valid. For example:
1. Fan A will not increase donations to maintain priority.
2. Fan B will stop after year one.
3. Fan A will continue the same figures in the future absent Fan B.

I think loyalty should be part of the equation, but money contributed must have the greatest weight. We need more funds or there will be no relevant program for anyone to enjoy.

I didn’t make ANY assumptions. I gave two scenarios as fans and asked a question. I think you are the one making assumptions because you answered your own questions.

I think a lot of you in this thread are not alumni, have never had a Tiger Lane spot, or prime lowel level BB season tickets or 50 yard line FB tickets or given the University a $150,000 in your lifetime. If you had these things and a first time donor (who may not even be an alumni) comes in with the next level up donation and takes your seats and is long gone now and the University probably lost Fan A for good.

Is that a good business model? Several have said you go with B because without money there will not be a program. THERE CERTAINLY WONT BE A PROGRAM UNLESS YOU HAVE ABOUT 10K OF FAN A’s. They are the financial foundation of the program and Bowen is not bright enough to know it.

If Fan A leaves the program because someone else provides more cash vital to the program in a given year, then he really is not much of a fan. He would rather nurse his indignation than be glad the program is in better financial shape.

The points formula DOES take into account consecutive years of season ticket purchases in most sports. That said, your current donation for this year trumps all else. The points for previous donations and season ticket purchases only serve to put you ahead of the new guys that donate at the same giving level but haven't been fans as long.

There is no perfect model, but I believe some schools do give some sort of points for past donations...but they are weighted.

(05-30-2018 10:43 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 09:36 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 02:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 01:16 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 08:08 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Acute funding requirements places the Administration in a quandary. They must generate more money, but risk alienating loyal fans with limited means by favoring loaded bandwagon fans.

I fall in the former category, but I understand that dollars superceeds all other considerations and will reluctantly accept changes resulting in less favorable seating, parking, etc for the overall health of the program.

Example: Fan A- Buys 6 season football ticket a year for 30 years, buys 4 season basketball tickets for 35 years; average donation for 25 years is $4,000.

Fan B; Buys 2 season basketball tickets for ONE YEAR donates $10K.

Who should have priority for any ticket or amenity?

You make assumptions that may not be valid. For example:
1. Fan A will not increase donations to maintain priority.
2. Fan B will stop after year one.
3. Fan A will continue the same figures in the future absent Fan B.

I think loyalty should be part of the equation, but money contributed must have the greatest weight. We need more funds or there will be no relevant program for anyone to enjoy.

I didn’t make ANY assumptions. I gave two scenarios as fans and asked a question. I think you are the one making assumptions because you answered your own questions.

I think a lot of you in this thread are not alumni, have never had a Tiger Lane spot, or prime lowel level BB season tickets or 50 yard line FB tickets or given the University a $150,000 in your lifetime. If you had these things and a first time donor (who may not even be an alumni) comes in with the next level up donation and takes your seats and is long gone now and the University probably lost Fan A for good.

Is that a good business model? Several have said you go with B because without money there will not be a program. THERE CERTAINLY WONT BE A PROGRAM UNLESS YOU HAVE ABOUT 10K OF FAN A’s. They are the financial foundation of the program and Bowen is not bright enough to know it.

If Fan A leaves the program because someone else provides more cash vital to the program in a given year, then he really is not much of a fan. He would rather nurse his indignation than be glad the program is in better financial shape.

Lol. That’s a joke. I’m sure you would”nurse his indignation” and “be glad the program is in better financial shape” if you were even close to a Fan A.

In reality there are very few longtime fans who continue making donations at the same level and get bumped far away from were they are accustomed to sitting.

(06-01-2018 11:09 AM)3601 Wrote:  In reality there are very few longtime fans who continue making donations at the same level and get bumped far away from were they are accustomed to sitting.

I agree; you could have sat anywhere you wanted last two years in BB. FB seating does not require the same donation.

My cost went up slightly but i have the same FB seats and TL spot i have had for years.

I think I had to increase my donation $50 plus the cost of the TL spot and tickets went up some - but not much.

Can't wait for the Mercer game.