The solution is simple and I'm surprised Trump hasn't thought of it. Canada's Prime Minister has stated he's more compassionate than Trump so send all these "refugees" to Canada. It would be no different than what Mexico is doing to the US, after all these people should have received asylum the moment they arrived in Mexico. Mexico chose to let their buses continue to the US border, so the easy solution is to allow the buses to complete their journey at the Canadian border.

Let's see just how compassionate Trudeau is.

(06-21-2018 05:07 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 03:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 02:22 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

Quote:You don't get it. They really do not want to be Americans. All they care about is the money. If their situations were only marginally better in their native lands - they wouldn't be trying to come to our country illegally.

What gives you this impression?

A) having spoken to many of them and

Highly anecdotal.

Quote:B) the tens of billions of dollars annually that they send to their families back home, rather than trying to bring that family here (either legally OR illegally)

There are plenty of extended families who make their way over here. Enough so that Trump wants to end "chain migration". What someone wants to do with their money once they've earned it really doesn't seem like it should matter, regardless.

This is what i laugh at....

You asked what gives someone an impression... and i gave you both an anecdotal reason AND a statistical one... and you use the two to argue against each other as if they are somehow interdependent. They're not.

The fact that some of them have specifically told me in person that they're only here for the money and don't want to become citizens is absolute proof of what you asked for. What gave me this impression? Their statements to that fact. I also know some who DO want to be citizens, but one does not eliminate the existence of the other. You act as if it does.

What convinces me that the experience I have is far from unusual is the massive amounts of money that go to Mexico and Central America as compared to other places.

The fact that there are plenty of families who make their way over here doesn't in any way negate the FACT that many of them also only care about the money....

I don't deny that lots of these people want to be citizens... and 'what gives me that impression' is similarly the anecdotal evidence of their statements and perhaps what they do with their money once here... like buy houses.

The last statement that 'what they do is their business' is also something I never argued against. While there are certainly some economic losses to the economy for money sent overseas, they earned it and they can do what they want with it... but what they do with it STILL often telegraphs their intentions.

If 4 men are living frugally in a cheap apartment and sending every dime they can back home, where their family is using the money to build a home, then the odds are they aren't interested in becoming a US citizen. If they're dating here and spending their money buying cars and taking care of a better apartment or even buying a home, and sending vastly less (or no) money home, then the probability is higher that they are interested in being citizens.

So are you going to address these facts? Or merely argue for the sake of arguing?

(06-21-2018 06:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  So are you going to address these facts? Or merely argue for the sake of arguing?

I thought you were saying that the vast majority feel that way and using anecdotal conversations to back that up. If not, my mistake.

(06-21-2018 08:14 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 06:45 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  So are you going to address these facts? Or merely argue for the sake of arguing?

I thought you were saying that the vast majority feel that way and using anecdotal conversations to back that up. If not, my mistake.

well thanks for saying that... and I apologize if I came down hard.

I don't think there's any way to know what the real numbers are with any reliability... because of the nature of the issue... so while i think it is 'large numbers' (mostly because of the amount of money being sent back from what are essentially minimum wage or close to it workers)... it could easily be a relatively small percentage.


I did the math once on some men who worked for me doing some serious yard work one weekend... 4 men living together in a cheap 2br apt... rent including utilities was something like $800.... they got clothes and a few household items from charities... had bus passes, rode cheap bikes or walked and shared a cheap cell phone plan... worked in restaurants at times, taking leftovers or having people like me pay them and feed them lunch... ate tortillas and beans or eggs a lot... Total expenses were something like $350 per person per month... They typically worked 30-50 hours a week for around 8/hr.... and sent like 750-1500 per month home, which was a kings ransom.

even at 12,000 per person per year, it takes a lot of them to send $28byn (a number I've seen bantered around) home.

Nice people... not terrorists... not evil people... but not looking to be Americans, and that $1500/mo... 28byn would have created more jobs here if they were interested in staying.

(06-21-2018 09:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Nice people... not terrorists... not evil people... but not looking to be Americans, and that $1500/mo... 28byn would have created more jobs here if they were interested in staying.

Possibly, but I’m sure the low wage work they’re doing creates more economic value than the money they send back home. Seem to remember reading something about that lately. I profess to not having much insight into economics, though.

Honestly, if they’re here legally to work and then want to go back home eventually, I don’t have an issue with that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...s-out.html

Saagar Enjeti 
?Verified account @esaagar 

Father of the now famous photo of the little girl crying says his wife/child were never separated at any time by authorities, that his wife was seeking a job (not fleeing violence), and that he is upset w/ her for taking his child on the dangerous journey


____________

Smh. Fake news

(06-21-2018 10:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...s-out.html

Saagar Enjeti 
?Verified account @esaagar 

Father of the now famous photo of the little girl crying says his wife/child were never separated at any time by authorities, that his wife was seeking a job (not fleeing violence), and that he is upset w/ her for taking his child on the dangerous journey


____________

Smh. Fake news

it's scary what these dippos are reporting as fact these days.....

imma simply gonna (****)inue to have fun this bs until Nov.....

what a joke these tards are....

line 3 ---->>> line 4 continues to reign supreme.......

,,,,,and that really sucks.....in no way does it make me happy....

(06-21-2018 03:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 02:22 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

Quote:You don't get it. They really do not want to be Americans. All they care about is the money. If their situations were only marginally better in their native lands - they wouldn't be trying to come to our country illegally.

What gives you this impression?

A) having spoken to many of them and
B) the tens of billions of dollars annually that they send to their families back home, rather than trying to bring that family here (either legally OR illegally)

In Houston, there are massive caches of men working here for say 3-10 years to build a better life back home and in Cali, there are roving packs of migrant workers doing the same

Me thinks I see a way to pay for the wall..................

Yeah about that uproar...

Quote:The media has put a hyper focus on the separation of families at the border over the last several weeks, leading President Donald Trump to sign an executive order ending the separation. Current U.S. law does not allow families to be detained together if the parents are referred for prosecution for illegal border crossing.

However, the Rasmussen poll shows that Americans don’t blame the Trump administration for the approximately 2,000 children who have been separated from their parents.

54 percent of likely voters polled by Rasmussen said that they think the parents are more to blame for breaking the law.

Another media-manufactured "crisis" to try to sway voters isn't working.

Quote:Only 35 percent said the government is more to blame for the crisis.

Further, 54 percent of voting Americans agree with President Trump’s assertion that “The United States will not be a migrant camp. And it will not be a refugee-holding facility — it won’t be.”

The survey of 1000 likely voters was conducted on June 19-20.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/21/rasmus...er-crisis/

(06-21-2018 10:08 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 09:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Nice people... not terrorists... not evil people... but not looking to be Americans, and that $1500/mo... 28byn would have created more jobs here if they were interested in staying.

Possibly, but I’m sure the low wage work they’re doing creates more economic value than the money they send back home. Seem to remember reading something about that lately. I profess to not having much insight into economics, though.

Honestly, if they’re here legally to work and then want to go back home eventually, I don’t have an issue with that.

It's not about the work they do... It's about the money. They generally send far more home than they spend here. I think the number I saw was $28 billion. Those billions (because they are paycheck to paycheck people) get spent, and they most often get spent locally. The provide jobs to grocery stores and hardware stores and retail stores etc etc etc SOMEWHERE. In this instance, those jobs are going to Mexico. They also take resources from food banks and shelters and charities etc, but that's relatively minor I suspect.

My only significant issue is that they are unregistered. If they were registered, we could create laws or accounting rules to make sure that they and our own workers were treated fairly. These people are often also exploited under fear of being turned in to immigration, sometimes leading to some horrible crimes, and those crimes often spill over into other areas and people... say people here legally who also happen to be Hispanic. These people become victims because of this underground operation... and because they hide from us in every aspect, it is hard for us to help them without risking 'profiling' etc.

(06-22-2018 08:32 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 03:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 02:22 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

Quote:You don't get it. They really do not want to be Americans. All they care about is the money. If their situations were only marginally better in their native lands - they wouldn't be trying to come to our country illegally.

What gives you this impression?

A) having spoken to many of them and
B) the tens of billions of dollars annually that they send to their families back home, rather than trying to bring that family here (either legally OR illegally)

In Houston, there are massive caches of men working here for say 3-10 years to build a better life back home and in Cali, there are roving packs of migrant workers doing the same

Me thinks I see a way to pay for the wall..................

That is/was the plan. I think the proposal was something like a 2% tax on money transfers