(06-01-2018 12:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-01-2018 11:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 04:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 05:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 08:10 PM)nole Wrote:  Seriously Mark? Insulting again because a few Noles (many seem oblivious) point out we are dead last in revenue?

Why does pointing out a fact always come to insulting with you?

(a) calling it "whining" is not much of an insult - most would label that "ribbing" at most. NONETHELESS, if you feel that I was insulting you - I apologize. That was NOT my intention - I was only joking.

(b) you can't have it both ways - if it's ok for you to point out deficiencies with other fan bases then you need to be thick-skinned enough to also take it when someone points out a common feature of your own fan base.

(05-28-2018 08:48 PM)XLance Wrote:  IIRC Florida State generates more athletic income than Carolina and we still manage to support 28 varsity sports at a very high level. I will remind you that Carolina has more top 10 director's cup finishes than the rest of the schools in the ACC combined.

NOW I'm going to point out a problem with another fan base (not just one person):

Winning FOOTBALL championships requires FOCUS.

FOOTBALL is 80% of revenue. Other sports are nice, but if you haven't won a FOOTBALL title in almost 40 years then maybe you aren't focused enough. Winning a director's cup is like selling the most air fresheners and floor mats at the Mercedes dealership... great, but how many CARS did you sell?

I know VT hasn't won any NATIONAL titles in FOOTBALL, but (a) it HAS won ACC football championships (fairly recently), and (b) it hasn't been playing at the "P5" level (or equivalent) for nearly as long as some other ACC schools (winning its first bowl game in 1986 and having joined a BCS league in 1991 - 27 years ago).

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A few points if I may Hokie Mark

1. "The Focus" part as related to football should be considered to be the contribution to the conference. If the ACC improves across the board in football nothing will generate more revenue for the conference.

2. The focus on the Capital One Cup and Director's cup stuff in minor non revenue sports misses the obligation to the conference. Most non revenues "are" the choice of the school. Lacrosse is the "private" part of the Public Ivy image that the old core ACC schools and the Old Big East Private schools like to push. Kudos to Syracuse on this because it has been a part of who they are for a very long time. But it is not a conference accomplishment that enhances the conference's pocketbook. It does however benefit the individual school's pocket book in oblique ways.

So I'm not dismissing lacrosse, just saying your criticism of North Carolina is spot on. They focus on those things which they care about. Not necessarily the things that make the conference money. But they sure like to dish out criticism of Clemson and F.S.U. when the field hands don't bring the white bread folks in the big house the share of revenue they want. It is disingenuous if they don't push the revenue sports too.

3. Most conferences have a requisite number of sports which are required for membership. I'm sure that is true of the ACC as well. If you want to push women's gymnastics then it needs to be added at the core level at least for the state schools. That is the kind of emphasis that launched it within the SEC.

And this is addressed to Nole.

Yeah, Jimbo left for more money. But he also moved his special needs child within easy travel distance of the hospital in DFW that specializes in caring for his particular disease. I think that may have had a lot to do with the decision. That and having been around some of these coaches over the years, most of them get itchy feet when they think it is getting harder to beat their past performance, or when they sense they are getting stale. I don't know how much that played into Jimbo's move as well but I wouldn't rule it out as an ancillary motivation.

as usual JR

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ree-years/

The ACC is rolling in the dough more than any other conference, thanks to strong NCAA Tournament showings over the last three years.

According to a report from ESPN, deep runs from ACC teams, coupled with a Final Four appearance for North Carolina this season, will yield more than $100 million for the conference over a three-year period.

Because six ACC teams made at least the Sweet 16 last season, the conference will earn $39.9 million over a six-year payout.

That money earned from NCAA Tournament success is split equally with the conference. So the three-year tournament tally split 15 ways for 15 programs will net approximately $6.8 million -- even if teams like Georgia Tech and Boston College have not contributed to that success.

X, I fell into that same mistake until I realized that the $6.8 million per team was spread over 6 years... So even a GREAT run in basketball still only brings in a little more than $1.1M each. That's a trip to a 3rd tier bowl game.

As JR stated: NOTHING brings in more money than football.

Not sure your math is right. Might be a good blog post in the future. You have a rolling 6 year average. Also, the NCAA takes a huge chunk of tourney revenue to basically underwrite their bloated HQ and subsidize non-revenue sports.

I am down for FSU having another team to follow, as long as the major sports are competitive (capable of winning a championship) I see no harm in it. I understand why many believe funding can be an issue down the road however we also don't know if ESPN strongly hinted for these kinds of sports to be introduced on their Network for more inventory. Maybe a financial nudge was made too.

There has been an update on this story and it appears to be getting interesting. College Crosse did a story : Email records show FSU is very interested in adding lacrosse.

"Jennings assured Wilcox that his contact was interested in both men’s and women’s lacrosse"

There is at least potential to add men's soccer and women's lacrosse but some of the alumni were unsure of adding women's lacrosse without the mens programs (it is in the article and I can't just copy the whole thing).

"Also in late May, Fuchs forwarded Wilcox an email that he wrote back on February 23, 2015 in a response to another alum who was interested in Florida State adding men’s soccer. The position at the time was that the school was “tentatively discussing plans to add the sport of women’s lacrosse in the next 4-5 years” and that if the school wanted to add men’s soccer too, that it would need to add at least one additional women’s sport (not counting women’s soccer or women’s lacrosse) to be compliant with Title IX. Fuchs felt that the university could re-engineer the email to substitute men’s soccer with men’s lacrosse to use in their response to the alum that Jennings wrote about back on May 17 of this year."

Of interest is adding women's lacrosse in 4-5 years (e-mail from 2015).

And more info from the e-mail regarding costs and Title IX issues

"Based on our current sport offerings and participation rates, we are obligated to increase our female student-athlete participation rates to comply with Title IX. We are in the process of completing a 5-10 year master facilities plan which will include a proposed facility for the addition of a new women’s sport. At this time, we are tentatively discussing plans to add the sport of women’s lacrosse in the next 4-5 years (approximate start-up & year 1 cost: $6.35 million; approximate recurring annual cost: $1.5 million).

The addition of men’s soccer, based on the average squad size for this sport, would require our athletics department to add one to two additional women’s sports teams (even after adding women’s lacrosse) to offset the increase in male student-athlete participants."

So it seems FSU *might* be starting a women's lacrosse program in the not to distant future. It will be on the short list of possible sports looked at.

I'd rather see them do gymnastics. The ACC needs one more school.

(07-10-2018 05:25 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  I'd rather see them do gymnastics. The ACC needs one more school.

FSU's first national championship was gymnastics (in the 1950s). They got rid of the sport (actually morphed into the circus).