(12-08-2018 09:04 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:28 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Its clear UF wants no part of UCF. UCF hasnt scheduled 2 for 1s for years. We're not going back to that. If yoy accept a 2 for 1, you're accepting an inferior status. We only do home and home. I'd love a one time neutral site game. It was a BS offer. Glad Danny White called them out and is offering a neutral site game.

And the CFP is not acting in good faith. If we scheduled the 2 for 1, they would knock our schedule because florida wasnt elite or great that year or we didnt play enough P5 ooc games. There will always be another excuse.

Hot take: whether you accept it or not, UCF is, and always will be, inferior to UF. Directional state schools don’t get home-and-homes with flagships, so take what you’re offered and try to beat them anyway. Or schedule FIU, FAU, and FAMU OOC, beat all three of them and USF, and then declare yourselves “state champs” and hold parades in Gainesville and Tallahassee. That would be entirely on brand.

Stupid take. Considering that FSU was already mentioned earlier in this thread and FSU WAS a UCF type school decades ago (arguably worse since it was basically a teachers college in the past).... There is no reason to believe that UCF cannot get to a comparable level to UF athletically. However, UCF lost an opportunity to dominate the state if it chose to accept the UF offer. As said already, a forward thinking man like Bobby Bowden takes that challenge and runs with it.

The UCF AD could have made an investment into the future. Considering the size of UCF it would have been a solid investment. Amazingly stupid as it sounds, seems like a number of prospective students use athletics as a factor when enrolling in a university. Beating UF head to head on the gridiron would assuredly encourage sheeple to choose UCF because hey - "we beat you in football!".

If UCF has fielded a team in the early 80s as an I-A independent and gone barnstorming like former all-female school FSU them perhaps they could have achieved parity with UF and other bigger, more established schools, particularly when, in that era, many schools were also independent and would perhaps be more inclined to accept more equitable scheduling (Penn State, Miami, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, South Carolina etc.) I agree that UCF’s AD is stupid for refusing to agree to UF’s terms, but the notion that UCF will ever catch up to UF is facile. The analogy between UCF and FSU is inept and ignores the seismic changes in conference affiliations and TV money between Bowden’s independent, program building era at FSU and the reality today. When the Big XII decided that it was fine standing pat at ten teams UCF’s last shot at joining the big boy cartel any time soon went with it. The differential in real money and perceived prestige that UF gets from ESPN and the SEC is insurmountable.

I think UCF is starting to believe a little to much in their PR hype. Only thing I would want is UF came to UCF first and have an insane buyout for both schools. UCF response gave UF a perfect way out. UF suggested and UCF loudly said no.

UCF made a mistake by not taking the 2 for 1 IMHO.
Gotta take it.

(12-08-2018 11:06 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 09:04 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:28 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Its clear UF wants no part of UCF. UCF hasnt scheduled 2 for 1s for years. We're not going back to that. If yoy accept a 2 for 1, you're accepting an inferior status. We only do home and home. I'd love a one time neutral site game. It was a BS offer. Glad Danny White called them out and is offering a neutral site game.

And the CFP is not acting in good faith. If we scheduled the 2 for 1, they would knock our schedule because florida wasnt elite or great that year or we didnt play enough P5 ooc games. There will always be another excuse.

Hot take: whether you accept it or not, UCF is, and always will be, inferior to UF. Directional state schools don’t get home-and-homes with flagships, so take what you’re offered and try to beat them anyway. Or schedule FIU, FAU, and FAMU OOC, beat all three of them and USF, and then declare yourselves “state champs” and hold parades in Gainesville and Tallahassee. That would be entirely on brand.

Stupid take. Considering that FSU was already mentioned earlier in this thread and FSU WAS a UCF type school decades ago (arguably worse since it was basically a teachers college in the past).... There is no reason to believe that UCF cannot get to a comparable level to UF athletically. However, UCF lost an opportunity to dominate the state if it chose to accept the UF offer. As said already, a forward thinking man like Bobby Bowden takes that challenge and runs with it.

The UCF AD could have made an investment into the future. Considering the size of UCF it would have been a solid investment. Amazingly stupid as it sounds, seems like a number of prospective students use athletics as a factor when enrolling in a university. Beating UF head to head on the gridiron would assuredly encourage sheeple to choose UCF because hey - "we beat you in football!".

If UCF has fielded a team in the early 80s as an I-A independent and gone barnstorming like former all-female school FSU them perhaps they could have achieved parity with UF and other bigger, more established schools, particularly when, in that era, many schools were also independent and would perhaps be more inclined to accept more equitable scheduling (Penn State, Miami, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, South Carolina etc.) I agree that UCF’s AD is stupid for refusing to agree to UF’s terms, but the notion that UCF will ever catch up to UF is facile. The analogy between UCF and FSU is inept and ignores the seismic changes in conference affiliations and TV money between Bowden’s independent, program building era at FSU and the reality today. When the Big XII decided that it was fine standing pat at ten teams UCF’s last shot at joining the big boy cartel any time soon went with it. The differential in real money and perceived prestige that UF gets from ESPN and the SEC is insurmountable.

I remember football in the 1980s, and if anything, the gap in terms of prestige and exposure, and competitively on the field, between the top programs and the lesser ones was even greater than it is today.

Back then, schools like Notre Dame, Alabama, and Ohio State were household names known by all sports fans just like now, and they played before huge crowds and national audiences, but a school like UCF or my USF was basically invisible - they had essentially zero access to television or bowl games of any kind.

So if anything, it's probably a lot easier to rise up from the bottom now than when Bowden was doing it during the 1980s.

I've said many times that given that we weren't one of the founding fathers of college football, USF picked just about the best time possible to get into the game, in 1997 at the dawn of the BCS era. If we had started our program in 1977, nobody would probably have heard of us for decades.

(12-07-2018 09:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:55 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The optics aren’t “P6” when you schedule a 1-for-2 but schedule it. Go 3-0 against Florida and earn that much more respect.

Yes, back in the day, schools like Miami and FSU were nothing, but clawed their way to the top playing 0 for 1s, where FSU would visit places like Notre Dame with no return game at all.

Now we have UCF rejecting 2 for 1s, which means 3 games vs a top team, then whining nobody will play them!

^^^ THIS ^^^

(12-08-2018 08:35 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:08 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:33 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Question for P5 fans, would you want your school to schedule a 2 for 1 with Florida? If not, why not?

Most P5's don't have to do 2 for 1's with other P5s.

Thats my point exactly. Its beneath you. Same for UCF. UCF doesnt need crumbs from UF.

Then quit telling the lie that P5's are afraid to play you.

(12-08-2018 11:06 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 09:04 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:28 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Its clear UF wants no part of UCF. UCF hasnt scheduled 2 for 1s for years. We're not going back to that. If yoy accept a 2 for 1, you're accepting an inferior status. We only do home and home. I'd love a one time neutral site game. It was a BS offer. Glad Danny White called them out and is offering a neutral site game.

And the CFP is not acting in good faith. If we scheduled the 2 for 1, they would knock our schedule because florida wasnt elite or great that year or we didnt play enough P5 ooc games. There will always be another excuse.

Hot take: whether you accept it or not, UCF is, and always will be, inferior to UF. Directional state schools don’t get home-and-homes with flagships, so take what you’re offered and try to beat them anyway. Or schedule FIU, FAU, and FAMU OOC, beat all three of them and USF, and then declare yourselves “state champs” and hold parades in Gainesville and Tallahassee. That would be entirely on brand.

Stupid take. Considering that FSU was already mentioned earlier in this thread and FSU WAS a UCF type school decades ago (arguably worse since it was basically a teachers college in the past).... There is no reason to believe that UCF cannot get to a comparable level to UF athletically. However, UCF lost an opportunity to dominate the state if it chose to accept the UF offer. As said already, a forward thinking man like Bobby Bowden takes that challenge and runs with it.

The UCF AD could have made an investment into the future. Considering the size of UCF it would have been a solid investment. Amazingly stupid as it sounds, seems like a number of prospective students use athletics as a factor when enrolling in a university. Beating UF head to head on the gridiron would assuredly encourage sheeple to choose UCF because hey - "we beat you in football!".

If UCF has fielded a team in the early 80s as an I-A independent and gone barnstorming like former all-female school FSU them perhaps they could have achieved parity with UF and other bigger, more established schools, particularly when, in that era, many schools were also independent and would perhaps be more inclined to accept more equitable scheduling (Penn State, Miami, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, South Carolina etc.) I agree that UCF’s AD is stupid for refusing to agree to UF’s terms, but the notion that UCF will ever catch up to UF is facile. The analogy between UCF and FSU is inept and ignores the seismic changes in conference affiliations and TV money between Bowden’s independent, program building era at FSU and the reality today. When the Big XII decided that it was fine standing pat at ten teams UCF’s last shot at joining the big boy cartel any time soon went with it. The differential in real money and perceived prestige that UF gets from ESPN and the SEC is insurmountable.

LOL, you’re thinking is parochial. First off, UCF has over 60K students attending the school. That’s larger than most current B1G schools. How long do you think UCF will remain in the shadows when it will have larger graduating classes than most P5 schools? So long as UCF commits to competing at the highest levels, they will break thru. Second, there is more parity in CFB at the div1 level than at any time in the past. Schools used to be able to stockpile players with huge rosters. The roster size limits have allowed other schools to get better players. Third, you seriously believe the money situation will remain forever? LOL, OK Nostradamus...

Bottom line is enrollment levels and access to a fertile recruiting ground. Nothing else to say if you cannot grasp those concepts.

(12-08-2018 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Its clear UF wants no part of UCF. UCF hasnt scheduled 2 for 1s for years. We're not going back to that. If yoy accept a 2 for 1, you're accepting an inferior status.

So i guess if UL-Monroe wanted a home and home with UCF and you rejected it, offering a 2 for 1 instead, ULM fans could say "its clear UCF wants no part of ULM", right?

UCF just undercut its claim that the big boys won't play you. You are the chickens. Good Lord.

They don’t want none of this

Whatever happened to “any team, anywhere, anytime”?

Look at TCU. They played one and dones with Oklahoma, Texas and Clemson when they were in the MWC. They beat two of those teams. Boise State played Virginia Tech and Georgia on “neutral” games across the country. Fresno State has played at USC with no return games in Fresno. Southern Miss built its reputation doing exactly the same thing. Miami and Florida State as well. Utah didn’t get its ticket to the P5 by dictating terms and conditions to BCS schools. Even BYU with its NC and large fan base gets 2-1s.

UCF just gave ammo to the pundits who say UCF doesn’t belongs in the CFP. They’ll say “they had a chance to prove themselves against Florida during the season but instead decided to play (insert a mid to low level P5 school)”. You don’t say no to a big time program like Florida even if it’s a one and done if you’ve been crying the last two seasons you don’t get the respect you deserve. Suck it up. Play the Gators. Beat them in Gainesville.

(12-08-2018 08:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:02 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Its clear UF wants no part of UCF. UCF hasnt scheduled 2 for 1s for years. We're not going back to that. If yoy accept a 2 for 1, you're accepting an inferior status. We only do home and home. I'd love a one time neutral site game. It was a BS offer. Glad Danny White called them out and is offering a neutral site game.

And the CFP is not acting in good faith. If we scheduled the 2 for 1, they would knock our schedule because florida wasnt elite or great that year or we didnt play enough P5 ooc games. There will always be another excuse.

LOL. UF suggested 3 games and the UCF AD thinks he works for Alabama. Clearly UCF is scared

Don't cry when you guys are left out again

Yeah. Its a stupid response. Its not like its Ole Miss or Illinois. Its one of the top dozen programs in the country and its in UCF's backyard. Its an opportunity. Maybe they insist on 1-1 with Auburn, but not Florida or FSU.

Bullet Auburn would never work that arrangement and it has nothing to do with respect for UCF. Auburn's stadium seats about 87,000 and is usually sold out. UCF's capacity is around 66,000. Auburn gets around $75 a ticket for the not so great seats. It's a matter of capacity size differential (in this case 21,000) x ticket price differential. The family plan tickets at UCF are $11 so the difference is roughly $64 for the cheap seats and even more for the best ones. 75 dollars is the average for a G5 game now. FCS used to be 65. And SEC games start at $85 and go up from there.

21,000 x 64=1.344 million dollars worth of damned reasons that the home and home will never take place. It's about money. That's the sole reason everyone in the SEC has 3 games against the G5 or lower that are not reciprocated at the opponents venue. And that is why the opponents come to Auburn. They make more money playing at Auburn than they would make playing at home. And they get TV exposure even if it is on the SECN.

It doesn't have a hoot to do with respect or fear, or wanting an advantage. It has everything to do with selling 7 games in the home season ticket book. UCF season tickets were $299 dollars last year. Auburn season tickets were appx. $550 for donors and donations begin at $800 for endzone and upper deck and go up from there donations cover two ticket books so the whole cost is close to 2 grand.

No SEC school is going to give up that 7th home game as most schools make over 5 million per home game (and that accounts for paying the visiting school at least 1.5 million for their appearance).

EDIT: And for those wanting an expanded playoff here's your argument. The SEC entrant in the CFP gets 6 million for the appearance in that series (possibly 2 games). ESPN and sponsors keep the rest. If that game was played at the home venue of the SEC team they would make 7 million on average for the cost of the ticket and with paying the visiting school 3 million. A home game for an SEC school is worth more than the payout of the NY6 games.

If you want expanded playoffs the bowls have to die! But ESPN will never go for it because they make far more money off the bowls and CFP. The SEC Championship game this year brought in total receipts of 17 million and every penny stayed with the SEC. Screw the idea of losing that game to collect less than 6 million!

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Its clear UF wants no part of UCF. UCF hasnt scheduled 2 for 1s for years. We're not going back to that. If yoy accept a 2 for 1, you're accepting an inferior status. We only do home and home. I'd love a one time neutral site game. It was a BS offer. Glad Danny White called them out and is offering a neutral site game.

And the CFP is not acting in good faith. If we scheduled the 2 for 1, they would knock our schedule because florida wasnt elite or great that year or we didnt play enough P5 ooc games. There will always be another excuse.

Except the offer was legitimate.
So when you get your next job offer at a major corporation, you will decline unless your given the CEO position or is of the CEO' plane. You're ridiculous. UCF was winless a few seasons ago.

Boise State pulled the same stuff against Nebraska in 2010 or 2011. Like a previous poster said, better to whine than to play the games and proof the naysayers right.

(12-08-2018 10:00 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 05:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Yeah, there are FSU’s out there...there’s also the ECU’s and Boise State’s. Story book endings, eh?

Boise State has done well, no? They’re a perennial top 25 team. Geography has always been their issue

Is Boise in a major yet? Are majors playing on the blue field?

I'm not saying I think UCF is right. I do feel for them. They have a right to be pissed and feel slighted. Hot-shotting is part of this "game" of schools trying to jockey for positioning. And there's never a guarantee UCF, if consistently good for years, move much higher than where they already are.

UCF sounds silly for rejecting the 2-1, but, really, would it have killed UF to throw a bone? Seems both sides are being obnoxious, honestly.

Boise State gets lots of P5s to visit. FSU comes in 2020, Ok State in 2021, and Mich St in 2022.

UCF has gotten UNC, Pitt, GT, SC, Texas, Stanford, and others to agree to home and homes in recent years. They have them staggered so that they have one home and one away every year. Their strategy seems justifiable.

(12-08-2018 02:25 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 10:00 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 05:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Yeah, there are FSU’s out there...there’s also the ECU’s and Boise State’s. Story book endings, eh?

Boise State has done well, no? They’re a perennial top 25 team. Geography has always been their issue

Is Boise in a major yet? Are majors playing on the blue field?

I'm not saying I think UCF is right. I do feel for them. They have a right to be pissed and feel slighted. Hot-shotting is part of this "game" of schools trying to jockey for positioning. And there's never a guarantee UCF, if consistently good for years, move much higher than where they already are.

UCF sounds silly for rejecting the 2-1, but, really, would it have killed UF to throw a bone? Seems both sides are being obnoxious, honestly.

Boise State gets lots of P5s to visit. FSU comes in 2020, Ok State in 2021, and Mich St in 2022.

UCF has gotten UNC, Pitt, GT, SC, Texas, Stanford, and others to agree to home and homes in recent years. They have them staggered so that they have one home and one away every year. Their strategy seems justifiable.

Texas was a 2-1 or 3-1 with the first gane in Orlando and if I’m not mistaken, Texas was the first game ever in their new stadium.

(12-08-2018 02:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 02:25 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 10:00 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 05:26 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Yeah, there are FSU’s out there...there’s also the ECU’s and Boise State’s. Story book endings, eh?

Boise State has done well, no? They’re a perennial top 25 team. Geography has always been their issue

Is Boise in a major yet? Are majors playing on the blue field?

I'm not saying I think UCF is right. I do feel for them. They have a right to be pissed and feel slighted. Hot-shotting is part of this "game" of schools trying to jockey for positioning. And there's never a guarantee UCF, if consistently good for years, move much higher than where they already are.

UCF sounds silly for rejecting the 2-1, but, really, would it have killed UF to throw a bone? Seems both sides are being obnoxious, honestly.

Boise State gets lots of P5s to visit. FSU comes in 2020, Ok State in 2021, and Mich St in 2022.

UCF has gotten UNC, Pitt, GT, SC, Texas, Stanford, and others to agree to home and homes in recent years. They have them staggered so that they have one home and one away every year. Their strategy seems justifiable.

Texas was a 2-1 or 3-1 with the first gane in Orlando and if I’m not mistaken, Texas was the first game ever in their new stadium.

Good catch.

Still, UCF has basically been able to get 2 P5s (one home, one road) basically every year this decade and have more lined up.

Don’t get me wrong I can see the wisdom in playing the SEC in state school in a two for one, but I also think UCF is fine doing what they’re doing now

(12-08-2018 02:57 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Still, UCF has basically been able to get 2 P5s (one home, one road) basically every year this decade and have more lined up.

Don’t get me wrong I can see the wisdom in playing the SEC in state school in a two for one, but I also think UCF is fine doing what they’re doing now

The problem is, not all P5 are equal in terms of boosting your schedule and perceptions. It's one thing to get Illinois or North Carolina to play you, another to get Georgia or Florida to play you.

(12-08-2018 02:57 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 02:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 02:25 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 10:00 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Boise State has done well, no? They’re a perennial top 25 team. Geography has always been their issue

Is Boise in a major yet? Are majors playing on the blue field?

I'm not saying I think UCF is right. I do feel for them. They have a right to be pissed and feel slighted. Hot-shotting is part of this "game" of schools trying to jockey for positioning. And there's never a guarantee UCF, if consistently good for years, move much higher than where they already are.

UCF sounds silly for rejecting the 2-1, but, really, would it have killed UF to throw a bone? Seems both sides are being obnoxious, honestly.

Boise State gets lots of P5s to visit. FSU comes in 2020, Ok State in 2021, and Mich St in 2022.

UCF has gotten UNC, Pitt, GT, SC, Texas, Stanford, and others to agree to home and homes in recent years. They have them staggered so that they have one home and one away every year. Their strategy seems justifiable.

Texas was a 2-1 or 3-1 with the first gane in Orlando and if I’m not mistaken, Texas was the first game ever in their new stadium.

Good catch.

Still, UCF has basically been able to get 2 P5s (one home, one road) basically every year this decade and have more lined up.

Don’t get me wrong I can see the wisdom in playing the SEC in state school in a two for one, but I also think UCF is fine doing what they’re doing now

They’ve done a good job scheduling P5s. No doubt about it.

But it’s still hypocritical from them not to schedule Florida for a 2-1 and cry about not getting the respect they deserve. It causes them more harm than good. Play them at their place. Beat them. Silence the critics. Beating Florida even when they’re down is much better perception wise than beating Pitt, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Stanford, etc.

(12-08-2018 02:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:02 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Its clear UF wants no part of UCF. UCF hasnt scheduled 2 for 1s for years. We're not going back to that. If yoy accept a 2 for 1, you're accepting an inferior status. We only do home and home. I'd love a one time neutral site game. It was a BS offer. Glad Danny White called them out and is offering a neutral site game.

And the CFP is not acting in good faith. If we scheduled the 2 for 1, they would knock our schedule because florida wasnt elite or great that year or we didnt play enough P5 ooc games. There will always be another excuse.

LOL. UF suggested 3 games and the UCF AD thinks he works for Alabama. Clearly UCF is scared

Don't cry when you guys are left out again

Yeah. Its a stupid response. Its not like its Ole Miss or Illinois. Its one of the top dozen programs in the country and its in UCF's backyard. Its an opportunity. Maybe they insist on 1-1 with Auburn, but not Florida or FSU.

Bullet Auburn would never work that arrangement and it has nothing to do with respect for UCF. Auburn's stadium seats about 87,000 and is usually sold out. UCF's capacity is around 66,000. Auburn gets around $75 a ticket for the not so great seats. It's a matter of capacity size differential (in this case 21,000) x ticket price differential. The family plan tickets at UCF are $11 so the difference is roughly $64 for the cheap seats and even more for the best ones. 75 dollars is the average for a G5 game now. FCS used to be 65. And SEC games start at $85 and go up from there.

21,000 x 64=1.344 million dollars worth of damned reasons that the home and home will never take place. It's about money. That's the sole reason everyone in the SEC has 3 games against the G5 or lower that are not reciprocated at the opponents venue. And that is why the opponents come to Auburn. They make more money playing at Auburn than they would make playing at home. And they get TV exposure even if it is on the SECN.

It doesn't have a hoot to do with respect or fear, or wanting an advantage. It has everything to do with selling 7 games in the home season ticket book. UCF season tickets were $299 dollars last year. Auburn season tickets were appx. $550 for donors and donations begin at $800 for endzone and upper deck and go up from there donations cover two ticket books so the whole cost is close to 2 grand.

No SEC school is going to give up that 7th home game as most schools make over 5 million per home game (and that accounts for paying the visiting school at least 1.5 million for their appearance).

EDIT: And for those wanting an expanded playoff here's your argument. The SEC entrant in the CFP gets 6 million for the appearance in that series (possibly 2 games). ESPN and sponsors keep the rest. If that game was played at the home venue of the SEC team they would make 7 million on average for the cost of the ticket and with paying the visiting school 3 million. A home game for an SEC school is worth more than the payout of the NY6 games.

If you want expanded playoffs the bowls have to die! But ESPN will never go for it because they make far more money off the bowls and CFP. The SEC Championship game this year brought in total receipts of 17 million and every penny stayed with the SEC. Screw the idea of losing that game to collect less than 6 million!

UCF's Spectrum Stadium has a capacity of 44,206. Outside of BYU and ECU, I'm not sure if any G5's play in an on campus stadium with 50k seats

(12-08-2018 03:41 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 02:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:02 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 07:24 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Its clear UF wants no part of UCF. UCF hasnt scheduled 2 for 1s for years. We're not going back to that. If yoy accept a 2 for 1, you're accepting an inferior status. We only do home and home. I'd love a one time neutral site game. It was a BS offer. Glad Danny White called them out and is offering a neutral site game.

And the CFP is not acting in good faith. If we scheduled the 2 for 1, they would knock our schedule because florida wasnt elite or great that year or we didnt play enough P5 ooc games. There will always be another excuse.

LOL. UF suggested 3 games and the UCF AD thinks he works for Alabama. Clearly UCF is scared

Don't cry when you guys are left out again

Yeah. Its a stupid response. Its not like its Ole Miss or Illinois. Its one of the top dozen programs in the country and its in UCF's backyard. Its an opportunity. Maybe they insist on 1-1 with Auburn, but not Florida or FSU.

Bullet Auburn would never work that arrangement and it has nothing to do with respect for UCF. Auburn's stadium seats about 87,000 and is usually sold out. UCF's capacity is around 66,000. Auburn gets around $75 a ticket for the not so great seats. It's a matter of capacity size differential (in this case 21,000) x ticket price differential. The family plan tickets at UCF are $11 so the difference is roughly $64 for the cheap seats and even more for the best ones. 75 dollars is the average for a G5 game now. FCS used to be 65. And SEC games start at $85 and go up from there.

21,000 x 64=1.344 million dollars worth of damned reasons that the home and home will never take place. It's about money. That's the sole reason everyone in the SEC has 3 games against the G5 or lower that are not reciprocated at the opponents venue. And that is why the opponents come to Auburn. They make more money playing at Auburn than they would make playing at home. And they get TV exposure even if it is on the SECN.

It doesn't have a hoot to do with respect or fear, or wanting an advantage. It has everything to do with selling 7 games in the home season ticket book. UCF season tickets were $299 dollars last year. Auburn season tickets were appx. $550 for donors and donations begin at $800 for endzone and upper deck and go up from there donations cover two ticket books so the whole cost is close to 2 grand.

No SEC school is going to give up that 7th home game as most schools make over 5 million per home game (and that accounts for paying the visiting school at least 1.5 million for their appearance).

EDIT: And for those wanting an expanded playoff here's your argument. The SEC entrant in the CFP gets 6 million for the appearance in that series (possibly 2 games). ESPN and sponsors keep the rest. If that game was played at the home venue of the SEC team they would make 7 million on average for the cost of the ticket and with paying the visiting school 3 million. A home game for an SEC school is worth more than the payout of the NY6 games.

If you want expanded playoffs the bowls have to die! But ESPN will never go for it because they make far more money off the bowls and CFP. The SEC Championship game this year brought in total receipts of 17 million and every penny stayed with the SEC. Screw the idea of losing that game to collect less than 6 million!

UCF's Spectrum Stadium has a capacity of 44,206. Outside of BYU and ECU, I'm not sure if any G5's play in an on campus stadium with 50k seats

UTEP. Sun Bowl has 52k seats.

No reason to accept a 2-for-1 from UF if other "P*wer Five" programs will agree to 1-for-1 agreements.

All the people thinking this is just playing ourselves...that's a load of crap. It's not insecurity on our part, we are posturing ourselves how we want to be perceived, as a top-tier program, and looks like the athletic department will accept nothing less.

I appreciate school like Miami and UCLA who are willing to do
Home and Homes.

The 1970s FSU scheduling analogy is a fail. Back then there were a lot of Indus and conferences were smaller—which means there were more open slots in a schedule. In addition the money is just so much bigger now.