(12-08-2018 04:02 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  No reason to accept a 2-for-1 from UF if other "P*wer Five" programs will agree to 1-for-1 agreements.

All the people thinking this is just playing ourselves...that's a load of crap. It's not insecurity on our part, we are posturing ourselves how we want to be perceived, as a top-tier program, and looks like the athletic department will accept nothing less.

It’s Florida. They’re not like most P5 programs. They’re part of the elite like Michigan, USC, Texas, Alabama, etc.

One thing is to get a 2-1 with Georgia Tech which would make your point valid. Another thing is getting a 2-1 with Florida. There’s nothing shameful about that. Make the Gators play the first game in Orlando as part of the deal. Beat them. Silence the critics.

There are some blue blooded P5s where a 2 for 1 is the very best deal a G5, let alone a middling to low level P5 is going to get. Florida is one of those programs that are in that club. I'm disappointed that the UCF is hung up on the the disrespect on the 2 for 1 deal rather than seizing the opportunity to play a beat a blood blooded big brother. Play those games and win them and the whole nation is going to respect the Golden Knights of Orlando.

(12-08-2018 09:17 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:03 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:55 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The optics aren’t “P6” when you schedule a 1-for-2 but schedule it. Go 3-0 against Florida and earn that much more respect.

And it’s not like they’re playing at USC! It’s in their home state!

UF is now a middle of the road SEC school. I agree no 2 for 1s. They are not an Alabama, or Oh State.

We have done 1n 1s with Stanford, Nc State, NC, and S. Carolina.

Wrong. Big 6 in the SEC are Alabama, auburn lsu,uga,utk, Florida. Look at the stadiums, budgets, records.

You dont take a 2 for one against miss state. You jump all over Florida.

Chickens

(12-08-2018 04:07 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 04:02 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  No reason to accept a 2-for-1 from UF if other "P*wer Five" programs will agree to 1-for-1 agreements.

All the people thinking this is just playing ourselves...that's a load of crap. It's not insecurity on our part, we are posturing ourselves how we want to be perceived, as a top-tier program, and looks like the athletic department will accept nothing less.

It’s Florida. They’re not like most P5 programs. They’re part of the elite like Michigan, USC, Texas, Alabama, etc.

One thing is to get a 2-1 with Georgia Tech which would make your point valid. Another thing is getting a 2-1 with Florida. There’s nothing shameful about that. Make the Gators play the first game in Orlando as part of the deal. Beat them. Silence the critics.

Disagree UF is in same class as the other schools you mentioned. Have only been a top program for last 30 years. They are more more akin to Michigan State in basketball who is in a tier below UNC, Duke, Kentucky.

(12-08-2018 04:13 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 04:07 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 04:02 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  No reason to accept a 2-for-1 from UF if other "P*wer Five" programs will agree to 1-for-1 agreements.

All the people thinking this is just playing ourselves...that's a load of crap. It's not insecurity on our part, we are posturing ourselves how we want to be perceived, as a top-tier program, and looks like the athletic department will accept nothing less.

It’s Florida. They’re not like most P5 programs. They’re part of the elite like Michigan, USC, Texas, Alabama, etc.

One thing is to get a 2-1 with Georgia Tech which would make your point valid. Another thing is getting a 2-1 with Florida. There’s nothing shameful about that. Make the Gators play the first game in Orlando as part of the deal. Beat them. Silence the critics.

Disagree UF is in same class as the other schools you mentioned. Have only been a top program for last 30 years. They are more more akin to Michigan State in basketball who is in a tier below UNC, Duke, Kentucky.

They are the flagship of a massive population state. That's pretty much the end of the story. Florida is the one who can do as they please. UCF isn't.

And again for those who refuse to read a thread, it is a purely economic decision and a 2 for 1 was more than a generous offer considering.

(12-08-2018 04:02 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  No reason to accept a 2-for-1 from UF if other "P*wer Five" programs will agree to 1-for-1 agreements.

The reason to do a 2-for-1 from UF even if other A5 are willing to do 1-1 is because not all P5 are equal in terms of building perceptions about a program.

Playing an elite power like Florida garners a lot more of that than playing a UNC or Illinois, and generally, it's the latter types that are willing to do the 1-1s. Playing the elite P5, not just any P5, is how you combat the "they don't play anyone" claims about G5 schedules.

Future UCF Non-Conference Opponents:

2019

08/31 - Florida A&M
09/07 - at Florida Atlantic
09/14 - Stanford
09/21 - at Pitt

2020

09/05 - North Carolina
09/19 - at Georgia Tech

2021

09/18 - at Louisville

2022

09/17 - Louisville
09/24 - Georgia Tech

2024

09/21 - at North Carolina

2025

09/20 - North Carolina

Note: Future schedules and opponents are tentative and subject to change. https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/ucf/

(12-08-2018 05:59 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Future UCF Non-Conference Opponents:

2019

08/31 - Florida A&M
09/07 - at Florida Atlantic
09/14 - Stanford
09/21 - at Pitt

2020

09/05 - North Carolina
09/19 - at Georgia Tech

2021

09/18 - at Louisville

2022

09/17 - Louisville
09/24 - Georgia Tech

2024

09/21 - at North Carolina

2025

09/20 - North Carolina

Note: Future schedules and opponents are tentative and subject to change. https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/ucf/

Stanford seems to be the only team on that list likely to be ranked, and thus move the needle at all from an SOS and perception POV. The rest are mediocre G5 with no national value.

Soft or difficult schedule is not easy going undefeated in FBS... Heck, not long ago Houston could've gone 12 - 0 but lost against a conference mate who we thought was easy W.

UCF has proven they can defeat anyone on the gridiron... And if UCF's AD believes they're not been offered equal return, I applaud him for standing up for refusing the 2 for 1 deal.

Well done, UCF

(12-08-2018 04:13 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Disagree UF is in same class as the other schools you mentioned. Have only been a top program for last 30 years. They are more more akin to Michigan State in basketball who is in a tier below UNC, Duke, Kentucky.

Definitely agree that if it's 1988, this is a different conversation.

Errrr ... where was UCF in 1988 again?

They could try for a neutral site, such as Jacksonville, for the third game.
Or if Florida hosts 2 of 3, UCF asks for substantial extra $s.

What makes Florida elite? Outside of Spurrier and Meyer eras they haven't down much. In fact UCF (1) has more undefeated seasons than UF (0) does.

(12-08-2018 11:28 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  What makes Florida elite? Outside of Spurrier and Meyer eras they haven't down much. In fact UCF (1) has more undefeated seasons than UF (0) does.

What does undefeated have to do with anything? Just because you’re undefeated doesn’t mean you are a great team.

(12-08-2018 11:28 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  What makes Florida elite? Outside of Spurrier and Meyer eras they haven't down much. In fact UCF (1) has more undefeated seasons than UF (0) does.

Oh maybe being the state flagship University and having 3 national championships in Football and 2 in basketball. You know things like that.

(12-08-2018 03:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:41 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 02:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:02 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  LOL. UF suggested 3 games and the UCF AD thinks he works for Alabama. Clearly UCF is scared

Don't cry when you guys are left out again

Yeah. Its a stupid response. Its not like its Ole Miss or Illinois. Its one of the top dozen programs in the country and its in UCF's backyard. Its an opportunity. Maybe they insist on 1-1 with Auburn, but not Florida or FSU.

Bullet Auburn would never work that arrangement and it has nothing to do with respect for UCF. Auburn's stadium seats about 87,000 and is usually sold out. UCF's capacity is around 66,000. Auburn gets around $75 a ticket for the not so great seats. It's a matter of capacity size differential (in this case 21,000) x ticket price differential. The family plan tickets at UCF are $11 so the difference is roughly $64 for the cheap seats and even more for the best ones. 75 dollars is the average for a G5 game now. FCS used to be 65. And SEC games start at $85 and go up from there.

21,000 x 64=1.344 million dollars worth of damned reasons that the home and home will never take place. It's about money. That's the sole reason everyone in the SEC has 3 games against the G5 or lower that are not reciprocated at the opponents venue. And that is why the opponents come to Auburn. They make more money playing at Auburn than they would make playing at home. And they get TV exposure even if it is on the SECN.

It doesn't have a hoot to do with respect or fear, or wanting an advantage. It has everything to do with selling 7 games in the home season ticket book. UCF season tickets were $299 dollars last year. Auburn season tickets were appx. $550 for donors and donations begin at $800 for endzone and upper deck and go up from there donations cover two ticket books so the whole cost is close to 2 grand.

No SEC school is going to give up that 7th home game as most schools make over 5 million per home game (and that accounts for paying the visiting school at least 1.5 million for their appearance).

EDIT: And for those wanting an expanded playoff here's your argument. The SEC entrant in the CFP gets 6 million for the appearance in that series (possibly 2 games). ESPN and sponsors keep the rest. If that game was played at the home venue of the SEC team they would make 7 million on average for the cost of the ticket and with paying the visiting school 3 million. A home game for an SEC school is worth more than the payout of the NY6 games.

If you want expanded playoffs the bowls have to die! But ESPN will never go for it because they make far more money off the bowls and CFP. The SEC Championship game this year brought in total receipts of 17 million and every penny stayed with the SEC. Screw the idea of losing that game to collect less than 6 million!

UCF's Spectrum Stadium has a capacity of 44,206. Outside of BYU and ECU, I'm not sure if any G5's play in an on campus stadium with 50k seats

UTEP. Sun Bowl has 52k seats.

I forgot about our neighbors in Northern Mexico

(12-08-2018 10:21 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Well done, UCF

Yes Sir. Well done while they watch the true college football playoffs that viewers care about.

(12-09-2018 01:59 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:41 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 02:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  Yeah. Its a stupid response. Its not like its Ole Miss or Illinois. Its one of the top dozen programs in the country and its in UCF's backyard. Its an opportunity. Maybe they insist on 1-1 with Auburn, but not Florida or FSU.

Bullet Auburn would never work that arrangement and it has nothing to do with respect for UCF. Auburn's stadium seats about 87,000 and is usually sold out. UCF's capacity is around 66,000. Auburn gets around $75 a ticket for the not so great seats. It's a matter of capacity size differential (in this case 21,000) x ticket price differential. The family plan tickets at UCF are $11 so the difference is roughly $64 for the cheap seats and even more for the best ones. 75 dollars is the average for a G5 game now. FCS used to be 65. And SEC games start at $85 and go up from there.

21,000 x 64=1.344 million dollars worth of damned reasons that the home and home will never take place. It's about money. That's the sole reason everyone in the SEC has 3 games against the G5 or lower that are not reciprocated at the opponents venue. And that is why the opponents come to Auburn. They make more money playing at Auburn than they would make playing at home. And they get TV exposure even if it is on the SECN.

It doesn't have a hoot to do with respect or fear, or wanting an advantage. It has everything to do with selling 7 games in the home season ticket book. UCF season tickets were $299 dollars last year. Auburn season tickets were appx. $550 for donors and donations begin at $800 for endzone and upper deck and go up from there donations cover two ticket books so the whole cost is close to 2 grand.

No SEC school is going to give up that 7th home game as most schools make over 5 million per home game (and that accounts for paying the visiting school at least 1.5 million for their appearance).

EDIT: And for those wanting an expanded playoff here's your argument. The SEC entrant in the CFP gets 6 million for the appearance in that series (possibly 2 games). ESPN and sponsors keep the rest. If that game was played at the home venue of the SEC team they would make 7 million on average for the cost of the ticket and with paying the visiting school 3 million. A home game for an SEC school is worth more than the payout of the NY6 games.

If you want expanded playoffs the bowls have to die! But ESPN will never go for it because they make far more money off the bowls and CFP. The SEC Championship game this year brought in total receipts of 17 million and every penny stayed with the SEC. Screw the idea of losing that game to collect less than 6 million!

UCF's Spectrum Stadium has a capacity of 44,206. Outside of BYU and ECU, I'm not sure if any G5's play in an on campus stadium with 50k seats

UTEP. Sun Bowl has 52k seats.

I forgot about our neighbors in Northern Mexico

Cool story, bro.

(12-08-2018 11:28 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  What makes Florida elite? Outside of Spurrier and Meyer eras they haven't down much. In fact UCF (1) has more undefeated seasons than UF (0) does.

You can’t compare going undefeated in the SEC and doing the same in the AAC.

(12-09-2018 02:18 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 01:59 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:41 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 02:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Bullet Auburn would never work that arrangement and it has nothing to do with respect for UCF. Auburn's stadium seats about 87,000 and is usually sold out. UCF's capacity is around 66,000. Auburn gets around $75 a ticket for the not so great seats. It's a matter of capacity size differential (in this case 21,000) x ticket price differential. The family plan tickets at UCF are $11 so the difference is roughly $64 for the cheap seats and even more for the best ones. 75 dollars is the average for a G5 game now. FCS used to be 65. And SEC games start at $85 and go up from there.

21,000 x 64=1.344 million dollars worth of damned reasons that the home and home will never take place. It's about money. That's the sole reason everyone in the SEC has 3 games against the G5 or lower that are not reciprocated at the opponents venue. And that is why the opponents come to Auburn. They make more money playing at Auburn than they would make playing at home. And they get TV exposure even if it is on the SECN.

It doesn't have a hoot to do with respect or fear, or wanting an advantage. It has everything to do with selling 7 games in the home season ticket book. UCF season tickets were $299 dollars last year. Auburn season tickets were appx. $550 for donors and donations begin at $800 for endzone and upper deck and go up from there donations cover two ticket books so the whole cost is close to 2 grand.

No SEC school is going to give up that 7th home game as most schools make over 5 million per home game (and that accounts for paying the visiting school at least 1.5 million for their appearance).

EDIT: And for those wanting an expanded playoff here's your argument. The SEC entrant in the CFP gets 6 million for the appearance in that series (possibly 2 games). ESPN and sponsors keep the rest. If that game was played at the home venue of the SEC team they would make 7 million on average for the cost of the ticket and with paying the visiting school 3 million. A home game for an SEC school is worth more than the payout of the NY6 games.

If you want expanded playoffs the bowls have to die! But ESPN will never go for it because they make far more money off the bowls and CFP. The SEC Championship game this year brought in total receipts of 17 million and every penny stayed with the SEC. Screw the idea of losing that game to collect less than 6 million!

UCF's Spectrum Stadium has a capacity of 44,206. Outside of BYU and ECU, I'm not sure if any G5's play in an on campus stadium with 50k seats

UTEP. Sun Bowl has 52k seats.

I forgot about our neighbors in Northern Mexico

Cool story, bro.

I honestly forgot. That tells you how much I care about the Northern University of Mexico.

(12-09-2018 02:25 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 02:18 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 01:59 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:41 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  UCF's Spectrum Stadium has a capacity of 44,206. Outside of BYU and ECU, I'm not sure if any G5's play in an on campus stadium with 50k seats

UTEP. Sun Bowl has 52k seats.

I forgot about our neighbors in Northern Mexico

Cool story, bro.

I honestly forgot. That tells you how much I care about the Northern University of Mexico.

You care enough to keep replying. Anything else or just keep derailing threads like you usually do?