16 with two divisions of 8 each.

(06-27-2019 11:30 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 10:56 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Anyone that says a conference championship game isnt important doesnt know what they are talking about. It's the highest rated FB of the year in the conference... four or five times the ratings for other CUSA games. It's important to the school, players, coaches and fans. I bet every coach in CUSA has a clause in their contract that pays X amount forv making the championship game and X amount for winning it....


if it wasn't important schools wouldn't be willing to pay 25 to 50k more

Once again, there you go with the blatant general-isms. Anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't know what they are talking about. Try asking why instead of spouting off at the mouth. Whats more valuable 1 or 2 AQ Bowls in a decade or the compilation of 10 Conference Championship games? Its an honest quesiton that begs discussion. As for the coaches contract stuff. Those coaches are paid to win championships whether it be base on that one game or the whole season.

All I see from you is what if but the facts are the championship game is the most important game in the CUSA contract. If a team isnt good enough to beat a team in the championship game of their conference. Then maybe they aren't that good. Unless you are playing everyone in the conference there are no true champion, without the championship game.

Your argument holds no water because if it did conferences wouldnt play them...that's the fact and honestly should end this stupid discussion.

But hey nothing or nobody is going to stop you from your opinion. Even if it's a stupid ass opinion. So maybe its you that should be listening to the WHYS instead of "spouting off at the mouth". You gave your reason and I'm 100% sure every conference in the FBS understand that.....

yet ALL conferences play championship games.

(06-27-2019 12:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:30 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 10:56 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Anyone that says a conference championship game isnt important doesnt know what they are talking about. It's the highest rated FB of the year in the conference... four or five times the ratings for other CUSA games. It's important to the school, players, coaches and fans. I bet every coach in CUSA has a clause in their contract that pays X amount forv making the championship game and X amount for winning it....


if it wasn't important schools wouldn't be willing to pay 25 to 50k more

Once again, there you go with the blatant general-isms. Anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't know what they are talking about. Try asking why instead of spouting off at the mouth. Whats more valuable 1 or 2 AQ Bowls in a decade or the compilation of 10 Conference Championship games? Its an honest quesiton that begs discussion. As for the coaches contract stuff. Those coaches are paid to win championships whether it be base on that one game or the whole season.

All I see from you is what if but the facts are the championship game is the most important game in the CUSA contract. If a team isnt good enough to beat a team in the championship game of their conference. Then maybe they aren't that good. Unless you are playing everyone in the conference there are no true champion, without the championship game.

Your argument holds no water because if it did conferences wouldnt play them...that's the fact and honestly should end this stupid discussion.

But hey nothing or nobody is going to stop you from your opinion. Even if it's a stupid ass opinion. So maybe its you that should be listening to the WHYS instead of "spouting off at the mouth". You gave your reason and I'm 100% sure every conference in the FBS understand that.....

yet ALL conferences play championship games.

Its a message board you dummy!! Its built for what iffs!! The only thing stupid about this discussion is the idiot tapping on your key board.

(06-27-2019 11:36 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:26 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:01 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 08:31 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  10 teams and no more. A conference championship is garbage and hurts small conferences more than helps. Just play 9 conference games, 1 FCS, 1 money game and 1 ooc g-5 team.

Well this is certainly a dumb argument.

There's a reason why athletic administrations add clauses in contracts about winning conference championship games.

How many times have AAC, CUSA or even MAC teams with a rock solid chance of a BCS or AQ bowl gone in an lost the championship game?? How many times has CUSA alone lost out on BCS money because the championship game ended in an upset? These are relative questions.

Once in CUSA that i can think of: 2011 when USM buttplugged #6 Houston in the ccg.

How much overall money did that cost us? IDK. I realize that there is a market for the Championship game on tv and most years its benefit will be in the positive. I still feel its 9 and I think that a championship game comes with inherent risks for smaller conferences.

(06-27-2019 01:26 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:36 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:26 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:01 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 08:31 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  10 teams and no more. A conference championship is garbage and hurts small conferences more than helps. Just play 9 conference games, 1 FCS, 1 money game and 1 ooc g-5 team.

Well this is certainly a dumb argument.

There's a reason why athletic administrations add clauses in contracts about winning conference championship games.

How many times have AAC, CUSA or even MAC teams with a rock solid chance of a BCS or AQ bowl gone in an lost the championship game?? How many times has CUSA alone lost out on BCS money because the championship game ended in an upset? These are relative questions.

Once in CUSA that i can think of: 2011 when USM buttplugged #6 Houston in the ccg.

How much overall money did that cost us? IDK. I realize that there is a market for the Championship game on tv and most years its benefit will be in the positive. I still feel its 9 and I think that a championship game comes with inherent risks for smaller conferences.

The way ai understand it is that at nine members, you could still have a ccg as long as you play everyone else in the conference and the top 2 play each other. I am with you on nine. 100%

PS. It cost us a crap ton. Houston would have squeaked by Boise State.

However...without a ccg, Boise leapfrogs idle UH and gets the AB bid. It can work both ways

(06-27-2019 04:03 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  PS. It cost us a crap ton. Houston would have squeaked by Boise State.

However...without a ccg, Boise leapfrogs idle UH and gets the AB bid. It can work both ways

And if USM hadn't laid an egg against UAB a couple of weeks before, it likely would've been a game where whomever the winner was, they got the Access Slot. So really, it's UAB's fault!

(For the record, UAB beat USM and that should 100% have been their goal, just like USM beating Houston 100% should have been our goal.)

(06-27-2019 01:26 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:36 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:26 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:01 AM)TTT Wrote:  Well this is certainly a dumb argument.

There's a reason why athletic administrations add clauses in contracts about winning conference championship games.

How many times have AAC, CUSA or even MAC teams with a rock solid chance of a BCS or AQ bowl gone in an lost the championship game?? How many times has CUSA alone lost out on BCS money because the championship game ended in an upset? These are relative questions.

Once in CUSA that i can think of: 2011 when USM buttplugged #6 Houston in the ccg.

How much overall money did that cost us? IDK. I realize that there is a market for the Championship game on tv and most years its benefit will be in the positive. I still feel its 9 and I think that a championship game comes with inherent risks for smaller conferences.

Well...under your theory, Judy should just get w/ all the AD's of CUSA and force them to agree to lose to the same conference team. I mean after all...

tHiNk oF AlL tHe mOnEy wE cOuLd mAkE iF wE dId tHaT aNd sEnT oUr bEsT tEaM tO aN aCcEsS bOwL!??

(06-27-2019 01:22 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:30 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 10:56 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Anyone that says a conference championship game isnt important doesnt know what they are talking about. It's the highest rated FB of the year in the conference... four or five times the ratings for other CUSA games. It's important to the school, players, coaches and fans. I bet every coach in CUSA has a clause in their contract that pays X amount forv making the championship game and X amount for winning it....


if it wasn't important schools wouldn't be willing to pay 25 to 50k more

Once again, there you go with the blatant general-isms. Anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't know what they are talking about. Try asking why instead of spouting off at the mouth. Whats more valuable 1 or 2 AQ Bowls in a decade or the compilation of 10 Conference Championship games? Its an honest quesiton that begs discussion. As for the coaches contract stuff. Those coaches are paid to win championships whether it be base on that one game or the whole season.

All I see from you is what if but the facts are the championship game is the most important game in the CUSA contract. If a team isnt good enough to beat a team in the championship game of their conference. Then maybe they aren't that good. Unless you are playing everyone in the conference there are no true champion, without the championship game.

Your argument holds no water because if it did conferences wouldnt play them...that's the fact and honestly should end this stupid discussion.

But hey nothing or nobody is going to stop you from your opinion. Even if it's a stupid ass opinion. So maybe its you that should be listening to the WHYS instead of "spouting off at the mouth". You gave your reason and I'm 100% sure every conference in the FBS understand that.....

yet ALL conferences play championship games.

Its a message board you dummy!! Its built for what iffs!! The only thing stupid about this discussion is the idiot tapping on your key board.

The what if has already been answered and 11 out of 11 conferences chose to play a conference championship game. They did that even knowing the #1 team in the conference might get beat. So like I said anyone that that says a conference championship game isnt important doesnt know what they are talking about.

It's important to the conference
It's important to the coaches
It's important to the player
It's important to the fans
It's important to the TV contract

Everyone of those trump "what if you lose". That's not only my opinion but 11 out of 11 conferences. But I guess you are smarter than President, the AD of every school playing in those 11 conferences and the 11 commissioners and the people paying out millions and millions of dollars to show the championship game of all 11 conferences.

Sports is about one team winning and one losing....

9. Round-robin schedule. No conference championship game. 4 OOC games in football. Add basketball-only schools if you want.

it really depends on the conference and the make up of the conference

for a conference in the G5 with members that are in a very similar positon (no real G5 right now) the answer would be 9 or even 8 because then they can play 8 or 7 conference games, have a CCG if they desire, not drag down their conference beating up on each other and have enough OOC games for a "money game", perhaps a buy in "win", and then a couple of games (or even 3) to play other G5 programs for conference strength, play lower level P5 teams hoping for a win (and trying for home and home or a money win) and then possibly one more for the same goals

that would give the conference the best ability to have all members schedule to gain traction and be consistent 7+ game winners and make bowl games before they all try and be the 10 or 11+ win teams or the teams looking to make a NY6 bowl......it also does not mean that even a couple of programs would have to take a position of being terrible so that other teams in the conference can have those 10+ wins

as for basketball 9 is still a good max although 8 and a couple of basketball schools to get to 18 conference games playing a double round robin home and home would work really well too......you need your BB schools to be very competitive and with 18 games you still have the ability to fill the schedule with conference games yet leave room for each member to craft a schedule to get wins and "traction" or to make the NCAAs even if not the conference champion or to meet the needs of their program

with a P5 conference it again depends on the membership if you have a lot of stratification in the conference and some schools that are going to aim to be better in some major sports while perhaps accepting their fate in others then 12 probably works best

if you have a conference with a tighter grouping of budgets and desires for competitiveness in all programs then 9 or 8 would be better with 8 or 7 conference football games

9 conference games sucks in football, 20 conference games is not ideal in BB (18 is much better), 14 teams sucks unless you have a conference where members in one division do not care much about playing other members and 10 members is not ideal unless you are willing to schedule 7 conference football games and that has 18 mens BB which is good, but it requires more work to make it work on the football side

16 is way to many for G5 or P5 because it is too difficult to get all teams on the same page, unless you are going to be playing too many conference games in any sport it makes a conference meaningless, and you are costing yourself NCAA tournament AQ opportunities for no good reason

(06-27-2019 08:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 01:22 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:30 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 10:56 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Anyone that says a conference championship game isnt important doesnt know what they are talking about. It's the highest rated FB of the year in the conference... four or five times the ratings for other CUSA games. It's important to the school, players, coaches and fans. I bet every coach in CUSA has a clause in their contract that pays X amount forv making the championship game and X amount for winning it....


if it wasn't important schools wouldn't be willing to pay 25 to 50k more

Once again, there you go with the blatant general-isms. Anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't know what they are talking about. Try asking why instead of spouting off at the mouth. Whats more valuable 1 or 2 AQ Bowls in a decade or the compilation of 10 Conference Championship games? Its an honest quesiton that begs discussion. As for the coaches contract stuff. Those coaches are paid to win championships whether it be base on that one game or the whole season.

All I see from you is what if but the facts are the championship game is the most important game in the CUSA contract. If a team isnt good enough to beat a team in the championship game of their conference. Then maybe they aren't that good. Unless you are playing everyone in the conference there are no true champion, without the championship game.

Your argument holds no water because if it did conferences wouldnt play them...that's the fact and honestly should end this stupid discussion.

But hey nothing or nobody is going to stop you from your opinion. Even if it's a stupid ass opinion. So maybe its you that should be listening to the WHYS instead of "spouting off at the mouth". You gave your reason and I'm 100% sure every conference in the FBS understand that.....

yet ALL conferences play championship games.

Its a message board you dummy!! Its built for what iffs!! The only thing stupid about this discussion is the idiot tapping on your key board.

The what if has already been answered and 11 out of 11 conferences chose to play a conference championship game. They did that even knowing the #1 team in the conference might get beat. So like I said anyone that that says a conference championship game isnt important doesnt know what they are talking about.

It's important to the conference
It's important to the coaches
It's important to the player
It's important to the fans
It's important to the TV contract

Everyone of those trump "what if you lose". That's not only my opinion but 11 out of 11 conferences. But I guess you are smarter than President, the AD of every school playing in those 11 conferences and the 11 commissioners and the people paying out millions and millions of dollars to show the championship game of all 11 conferences.

Sports is about one team winning and one losing....

You are such an idiot. Your matter of fact "I am right you are wrong" grates on my ever loving nerves. You didn't even go to WKU! I send you a PM saying we should just agree to disagree and quit posting on each others post. Like a gutless coward you don't respond and instead do exactly the opposite. Posters like you are exactly why I quit coming to this board last year. You don't want constructive conversation, you want to beat your chest and tell everybody how smart you are.

Here we go again...

(06-28-2019 08:11 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 08:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 01:22 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:30 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Once again, there you go with the blatant general-isms. Anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't know what they are talking about. Try asking why instead of spouting off at the mouth. Whats more valuable 1 or 2 AQ Bowls in a decade or the compilation of 10 Conference Championship games? Its an honest quesiton that begs discussion. As for the coaches contract stuff. Those coaches are paid to win championships whether it be base on that one game or the whole season.

All I see from you is what if but the facts are the championship game is the most important game in the CUSA contract. If a team isnt good enough to beat a team in the championship game of their conference. Then maybe they aren't that good. Unless you are playing everyone in the conference there are no true champion, without the championship game.

Your argument holds no water because if it did conferences wouldnt play them...that's the fact and honestly should end this stupid discussion.

But hey nothing or nobody is going to stop you from your opinion. Even if it's a stupid ass opinion. So maybe its you that should be listening to the WHYS instead of "spouting off at the mouth". You gave your reason and I'm 100% sure every conference in the FBS understand that.....

yet ALL conferences play championship games.

Its a message board you dummy!! Its built for what iffs!! The only thing stupid about this discussion is the idiot tapping on your key board.

The what if has already been answered and 11 out of 11 conferences chose to play a conference championship game. They did that even knowing the #1 team in the conference might get beat. So like I said anyone that that says a conference championship game isnt important doesnt know what they are talking about.

It's important to the conference
It's important to the coaches
It's important to the player
It's important to the fans
It's important to the TV contract

Everyone of those trump "what if you lose". That's not only my opinion but 11 out of 11 conferences. But I guess you are smarter than President, the AD of every school playing in those 11 conferences and the 11 commissioners and the people paying out millions and millions of dollars to show the championship game of all 11 conferences.

Sports is about one team winning and one losing....

You are such an idiot. Your matter of fact "I am right you are wrong" grates on my ever loving nerves. You didn't even go to WKU! I send you a PM saying we should just agree to disagree and quit posting on each others post. Like a gutless coward you don't respond and instead do exactly the opposite. Posters like you are exactly why I quit coming to this board last year. You don't want constructive conversation, you want to beat your chest and tell everybody how smart you are.

Unless I go to messages which isnt very often I have no way of knowing you sent one.

You are the one taking this to a 3rd grade level, all because I said the following

"anyone that says a conference championship game isnt important doesnt know what they are talking about"

From that you went to the below and I'm probably leaving out a couple

1. Try asking why instead of spouting off at the mouth
2. Dummy
3. Idiot
4. gutless coward

If I went to Western or not has zero to do with this topic. But you are 100% correct I did not go to college. Well I went to Western for 3 days then figured out it was costing me $150 to $200 in lost work for each day I sit in a classroom and this was 1978. BTW I made the correct decision and been self employed since the middle of my Sr year of high school. Which allowed me to stop working at the age of 50 and travel for fishing and Western ball games...no matter where they are played.

Some how you think you are the only one that gets to voice the opinions. I gave my reasons why I thought you didn't know what you where talking about. To be honest all it took...

11 out of 11 conferences play championship football games . All of them understand the top team can lose.

You couldnt handle it so like always you chose to take it in another direction. The funny thing is you responded totally different to the below comment that called your argument dumb and made the exact argument that I did in my first response

(06-27-2019 11:01 AM)TTT Wrote:  Well this is certainly a dumb argument.

There's a reason why athletic administrations add clauses in contracts about winning conference championship games.

(06-27-2019 10:56 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Anyone that says a conference championship game isnt important doesnt know what they are talking about. It's the highest rated FB of the year in the conference... four or five times the ratings for other CUSA games. It's important to the school, players, coaches and fans. I bet every coach in CUSA has a clause in their contract that pays X amount forv making the championship game and X amount for winning it....


if it wasn't important schools wouldn't be willing to pay 25 to 50k more

As long as a conference has to have 12 to have a championship game, then 12 is the best. If that rule goes away, Im a fan of 10 or even 8 teams which allows for a full round robin schedule in basketball.

(06-28-2019 08:48 AM)monarx Wrote:  As long as a conference has to have 12 to have a championship game, then 12 is the best. If that rule goes away, Im a fan of 10 or even 8 teams which allows for a full round robin schedule in basketball.

It already went away.

clt would trade marshal for coastal

(06-27-2019 12:13 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  16 with two divisions of 8 each.

If we hold together, I could get behind this wholeheartedly. It eliminates one crossover in football.

It provides an option for each side to hold it's own basketball tournament. The East could finally separate itself from the West in basketball.

Each side could play separately from one another in Olympic sports. There's flexibility with 16 that you don't have with 14.

WKUYG, you don't have to explain yourself. I didn't attend Rice, but I know I'm more passionate about it's athletics programs than 95% of it's alumni. I grew up on Rice football and basketball. A fan is a fan, and trust me, WKU and Rice are more than happy to have us.

I think the problem folks have here with you is that you tend to be a little condescending and arrogant on this board. Your word isn't the "be all end all." In all these arguments and highjacked threads, you're usually the common denominator.

When I find myself getting upset around here, I just leave the board for a few days. It helps. Going overboard to prove a minor point is exhausting, and it gives the impression that you think you're always right. Just let it go. To hell with these guys. Take a deep breath, relax, and have fun. If you do that, I think you'll see a lot of these attacks stop. Just something to think about.

(06-28-2019 09:58 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:13 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  16 with two divisions of 8 each.

If we hold together, I could get behind this wholeheartedly. It eliminates one crossover in football.

It provides an option for each side to hold it's own basketball tournament. The East could finally separate itself from the West in basketball.

Each side could play separately from one another in Olympic sports. There's flexibility with 16 that you don't have with 14.

And split tv money even more? No thanks.

And bb could not split. We have one autobid. So what if the overall 1,2, and 3 seeds are in one division? You dont get the top two teams most likely...