(12-17-2019 12:44 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 06:23 PM)Theflash Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 04:44 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Willie Taggert did such a poor job at Florida State that he was fired before the end of his second season. Let that sink in for a moment. That alone is reason enough to be worried. That's a red flag if I've ever seen one. If you can't coach that caliber of talent to at least seven wins, something is very wrong. I have a real bad feeling about this.

Then how did he have success at WKU and USF? The Oregon year doesn’t really count (too small a sample size). He got WKU out of the cellar. It was bad. Me, personally, owe him a lot of gratitude for what he did here.

I can't answer why he did so well at WKU and USF, but I'd be damned worried considering what happened at Florida State.

One has nothing to do with the other. I would be more worried if it was reversed. That would be about like Brohm getting fired from Purdue and then getting a G5 job the next year.

Willie and Brohm have both showed they can win at the G5 level

He fell on his face. If he can't be successful at the highest level, and with the best resources money can buy, he must not be so good a coach.

It might be that his ability in recruiting can carry him at the G5 level, but not in the P5, where coaching has to be great.

(12-17-2019 08:30 AM)Ourland Wrote:  He fell on his face. If he can't be successful at the highest level, and with the best resources money can buy, he must not be so good a coach.

It might be that his ability in recruiting can carry him at the G5 level, but not in the P5, where coaching has to be great.

That is an understatement. His recruiting could carry wku but his coaching cost us so many games. It’s funny watching fsu this year, it looked just like wku when he was here. It’s hard to win at the p5 level on recruiting alone. If he would just be the head coach he probably would have been successful. But he is a bit of a control freak (like most coaches) and wants to be involved in everything.

(12-17-2019 08:30 AM)Ourland Wrote:  He fell on his face. If he can't be successful at the highest level, and with the best resources money can buy, he must not be so good a coach.

It might be that his ability in recruiting can carry him at the G5 level, but not in the P5, where coaching has to be great.

Well he's no longer coaching a P5 school so that concern is no longer in place. So again I dont see any connection to your logic because Willie has already shown he can win in the G5

(12-17-2019 10:26 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 08:30 AM)Ourland Wrote:  He fell on his face. If he can't be successful at the highest level, and with the best resources money can buy, he must not be so good a coach.

It might be that his ability in recruiting can carry him at the G5 level, but not in the P5, where coaching has to be great.

Well he's no longer coaching a P5 school so that concern is no longer in place. So again I dont see any connection to your logic because Willie has already shown he can win in the G5

He's a great recruiter, but an average coach. I think that's a fair statement. If what Jack Baer says in the previous post is true, then his coaching ability leaves a lot to be desired. He must have the more talented team, or he will fail.

(12-17-2019 11:36 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 10:26 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 08:30 AM)Ourland Wrote:  He fell on his face. If he can't be successful at the highest level, and with the best resources money can buy, he must not be so good a coach.

It might be that his ability in recruiting can carry him at the G5 level, but not in the P5, where coaching has to be great.

Well he's no longer coaching a P5 school so that concern is no longer in place. So again I dont see any connection to your logic because Willie has already shown he can win in the G5

He's a great recruiter, but an average coach. I think that's a fair statement. If what Jack Baer says in the previous post is true, then his coaching ability leaves a lot to be desired. He must have the more talented team, or he will fail.

Tell me, why do you think Rice has only won 5 games over 2 seasons? UTEP 2 games? ODU 5 games? Middle 4 games this past season? Do you think Bama wins only on coaching?

Of course a rookie coach is going to make huge mistakes that cost a team games. Brohm did the same thing his first season at Western. That team wins at least 10 games instead of 8. The next season Western loses 1 game if not for stupid call playing at Indiana and plays in the NY6 bowl game.

Let me guess I bet you said the same thing when Kiffin took the FAU job?

(12-17-2019 11:53 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Let me guess I bet you said the same thing when Kiffin took the FAU job?

He did. He also condemns any teenager who makes a mistake and doesn’t believe in second chances. I have him on ignore.

(12-17-2019 11:53 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 11:36 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 10:26 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 08:30 AM)Ourland Wrote:  He fell on his face. If he can't be successful at the highest level, and with the best resources money can buy, he must not be so good a coach.

It might be that his ability in recruiting can carry him at the G5 level, but not in the P5, where coaching has to be great.

Well he's no longer coaching a P5 school so that concern is no longer in place. So again I dont see any connection to your logic because Willie has already shown he can win in the G5

He's a great recruiter, but an average coach. I think that's a fair statement. If what Jack Baer says in the previous post is true, then his coaching ability leaves a lot to be desired. He must have the more talented team, or he will fail.

Tell me, why do you think Rice has only won 5 games over 2 seasons? UTEP 2 games? ODU 5 games? Middle 4 games this past season? Do you think Bama wins only on coaching?

Of course a rookie coach is going to make huge mistakes that cost a team games. Brohm did the same thing his first season at Western. That team wins at least 10 games instead of 8. The next season Western loses 1 game if not for stupid call playing at Indiana and plays in the NY6 bowl game.

Let me guess I bet you said the same thing when Kiffin took the FAU job?

I've clearly stated my concern with Willie Taggert, and there are several others here who share that same concern. He has done well as a G5 coach, but just failed miserably at the highest level. We can go round and round, but what would be the point of that?

Go ahead and get the last word in, and let's move on...

Not a fan of Taggart, but Jimbo left FSU for bare. Taggart's biggest problem was not prioritizing the QB situation and just let it play out.

I don't have much faith, but I am hoping he can at least keep Kiffin's momentum going for a few years.

(12-17-2019 01:10 PM)Guardian Wrote:  Not a fan of Taggart, but Jimbo left FSU for bare. Taggart's biggest problem was not prioritizing the QB situation and just let it play out.

I don't have much faith, but I am hoping he can at least keep Kiffin's momentum going for a few years.

This conference can't afford to have even one school fall back. We're weak. As it is, we already have too many ranked outside the top 100. For that reason, I'll be pulling for Taggert. He does look like a good guy. I hope it works out. The East must hold steady while the West finds it footing. This conference must be stronger as a whole.

(12-17-2019 11:36 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 10:26 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 08:30 AM)Ourland Wrote:  He fell on his face. If he can't be successful at the highest level, and with the best resources money can buy, he must not be so good a coach.

It might be that his ability in recruiting can carry him at the G5 level, but not in the P5, where coaching has to be great.

Well he's no longer coaching a P5 school so that concern is no longer in place. So again I dont see any connection to your logic because Willie has already shown he can win in the G5

He's a great recruiter, but an average coach. I think that's a fair statement. If what Jack Baer says in the previous post is true, then his coaching ability leaves a lot to be desired. He must have the more talented team, or he will fail.

I think some are being too quick to judge Taggart's ability as a coach based on less than two seasons at FSU. What about someone like Scott Frost by comparison? He is 9-15 in two seasons at Nebraska so far, worse than Taggart's 9-12 record in less than two at FSU, while being left with a program in similarly bad shape by the previous coach.

Frost is probably recognized as one of the best G5 coaches ever based on what he built at UCF and I think any CUSA team would love to have him if he was available. The difference is that Frost is being given time to fix things because of his history at Nebraska while Taggart was not at FSU. How about Jeff Brohm at Purdue? He has probably been the best coach we've had in CUSA since realignment and so far he has a losing record in 3 years at Purdue with each year's record worse than the previous one. Chip Kelly is another example of a good coach off to a slow start at UCLA. It's tough to turn things around fast at the P5 level.

Don't forget how good a job Taggart did at USF at a program that struggled before him and again after he left. Also the job he did at WKU to even get hired at USF. He has proven that he is a very good coach at least at the G5 level. I wouldn't worry about FAU falling back under him. It could happen of course, but I think it's more likely that FAU continues to win under him.

9-12 in the ACC doesn't come close to comparing to 9-15 in the Big Ten.

Taggart's days at FSU were basically over as soon as his team collapsed in the second half to Boise State and then should have lost to ULM.

(12-14-2019 12:59 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 10:19 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  How many other people have coached at three FBS schools in Florida?
I can’t think of any off the top of my head but I’m sure y’all know. Schnellenberger?

He was only 2 I think. Miami and Fau. Same with butch Davis at Miami and fiu

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Actually Howard Schnellenberger was at 4:

1979–1983 Miami (FL)
1985–1994 Louisville
1995 Oklahoma
2001–2011 Florida Atlantic

And Butch Davis at 3:

1995–2000 Miami (FL)
2007–2010 North Carolina
2017–present FIU

Hmm...I dunno, might be a good hire for FAU, but we'll see in a couple years.

(12-19-2019 10:46 PM)farmfanucdgrad Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 12:59 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 10:19 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  How many other people have coached at three FBS schools in Florida?
I can’t think of any off the top of my head but I’m sure y’all know. Schnellenberger?

He was only 2 I think. Miami and Fau. Same with butch Davis at Miami and fiu

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Actually Howard Schnellenberger was at 4:

1979–1983 Miami (FL)
1985–1994 Louisville
1995 Oklahoma
2001–2011 Florida Atlantic

And Butch Davis at 3:

1995–2000 Miami (FL)
2007–2010 North Carolina
2017–present FIU

Read the question again. The poster was asking if anyone else coached at 3 Florida schools. Not about the total schools they coached at in their careers

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(12-20-2019 06:00 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:46 PM)farmfanucdgrad Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 12:59 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 10:19 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  How many other people have coached at three FBS schools in Florida?
I can’t think of any off the top of my head but I’m sure y’all know. Schnellenberger?

He was only 2 I think. Miami and Fau. Same with butch Davis at Miami and fiu

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Actually Howard Schnellenberger was at 4:

1979–1983 Miami (FL)
1985–1994 Louisville
1995 Oklahoma
2001–2011 Florida Atlantic

And Butch Davis at 3:

1995–2000 Miami (FL)
2007–2010 North Carolina
2017–present FIU

Read the question again. The poster was asking if anyone else coached at 3 Florida schools. Not about the total schools they coached at in their careers

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I think we can safely say that Taggert will become the first. :)

(12-20-2019 10:59 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 06:00 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 10:46 PM)farmfanucdgrad Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 12:59 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 10:19 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  How many other people have coached at three FBS schools in Florida?
I can’t think of any off the top of my head but I’m sure y’all know. Schnellenberger?

He was only 2 I think. Miami and Fau. Same with butch Davis at Miami and fiu

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Actually Howard Schnellenberger was at 4:

1979–1983 Miami (FL)
1985–1994 Louisville
1995 Oklahoma
2001–2011 Florida Atlantic

And Butch Davis at 3:

1995–2000 Miami (FL)
2007–2010 North Carolina
2017–present FIU

Read the question again. The poster was asking if anyone else coached at 3 Florida schools. Not about the total schools they coached at in their careers

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I think we can safely say that Taggert will become the first. :)

Yes. Which is why he asked if anyone else could claim that ....

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