(02-20-2022 01:38 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 10:12 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 09:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There’s going to come a point where the best ACC properties start having conversions among themselves about how to bust up the conference so they can attach themselves to the Big 10 and SEC mega conferences. ND has got be cognizant rod this too and realize that their independence is dependent on the ACC existing and if Clemson, Florida St, VT, UNC, UVA, etc can’t afford to keep the league going they are going to have to face the music the same as the other 14.

Notre Dame will be fine if the ACC ceases to exist, so long as the Big XII doesn't go at the same time. I think the Big XII would be happy to offer them similar terms to what the ACC has. And while I don't think the SEC or PAC would, if it was a matter of preserving ND's ability to not join the ACC or B1G I could see the SEC offering a scheduling agreement where ND played a couple of SEC schools each year. The PAC might do so as well although I don't think they care as much about keeping ND away from the others. I see the conference interests this way -

ACC needs ND to join and save the ACC.
The B1G wants ND to join, and thus has an interest in keeping ND from joining any other conference.
The SEC wants ND to stay independent so that no competing conference gets the boost of their membership.
The Big XII is just trying to survive, and would be happy to have ND on the schedule to get more high-profile games.
The PAC is off in their corner and a bit above the fray. I don't see them as particularly caring if ND joins another conference or not and like the SEC, ND isn't a great fit for them.

Gamenole, this is going to sound insane, but I would add this ridiculous option out there, simply because I am pretty aware of how Notre Dame thinks now, IMO:

ND contacts the Big East about joining again.

Yes, it sounds outlandish. Notre Dame has had this option before, and chose the ACC instead. What's different?? Your answer is E$PN.

I don't think that is outlandish! ND will need a home for their other sports after the ACC and they could well prefer the Big East for that, while striking an arrangement for football with another conference. I'm purely speculating here, but I suspect that the ACC experience has shown ND both the up & downside of having part of their schedule preordained. I think they'll want to keep that, but likely fewer games than 5 so they don't find themselves again in a situation where they're locked into playing so many lackluster games against hapless teams.

(02-20-2022 09:58 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 01:38 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 10:12 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 09:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There’s going to come a point where the best ACC properties start having conversions among themselves about how to bust up the conference so they can attach themselves to the Big 10 and SEC mega conferences. ND has got be cognizant rod this too and realize that their independence is dependent on the ACC existing and if Clemson, Florida St, VT, UNC, UVA, etc can’t afford to keep the league going they are going to have to face the music the same as the other 14.

Notre Dame will be fine if the ACC ceases to exist, so long as the Big XII doesn't go at the same time. I think the Big XII would be happy to offer them similar terms to what the ACC has. And while I don't think the SEC or PAC would, if it was a matter of preserving ND's ability to not join the ACC or B1G I could see the SEC offering a scheduling agreement where ND played a couple of SEC schools each year. The PAC might do so as well although I don't think they care as much about keeping ND away from the others. I see the conference interests this way -

ACC needs ND to join and save the ACC.
The B1G wants ND to join, and thus has an interest in keeping ND from joining any other conference.
The SEC wants ND to stay independent so that no competing conference gets the boost of their membership.
The Big XII is just trying to survive, and would be happy to have ND on the schedule to get more high-profile games.
The PAC is off in their corner and a bit above the fray. I don't see them as particularly caring if ND joins another conference or not and like the SEC, ND isn't a great fit for them.

Gamenole, this is going to sound insane, but I would add this ridiculous option out there, simply because I am pretty aware of how Notre Dame thinks now, IMO:

ND contacts the Big East about joining again.

Yes, it sounds outlandish. Notre Dame has had this option before, and chose the ACC instead. What's different?? Your answer is E$PN.

I don't think that is outlandish! ND will need a home for their other sports after the ACC and they could well prefer the Big East for that, while striking an arrangement for football with another conference. I'm purely speculating here, but I suspect that the ACC experience has shown ND both the up & downside of having part of their schedule preordained. I think they'll want to keep that, but likely fewer games than 5 so they don't find themselves again in a situation where they're locked into playing so many lackluster games against hapless teams.

About the bold, many ND fans around here seem to disagree, but I've always thought the ACC got the better end of the deal with Notre Dame. IMO, playing 5 ACC games was too high a price for ND to pay given what they got in return. And IMO this was because of the situation at the time, which since the Big East was crumbling under ND's feet, favored the ACC. The ACC used that leverage to get a better deal, good for them.

Beyond that, if the ACC were to collapse, and if other conferences made ND a similar kind of scheduling offer, IMO Notre Dame's preferences would be:

1) B1G .... would pay a lot more, ND has historically often played 3-4 B1G teams a year in football anyway, and their bowl structure is great. And would be ideal for Olympic sports.

2) Big East .... natural ties with the C7 and history with the Big East. Lots of games in the northeast, and no commitment from football at all, would free ND to fully control their football schedule.

3) Big 12 .... this would be a big comedown for ND, as Big 12 teams just do not have much appeal. But better than flagging it alone with all those Olympic sports. The PAC would be ideal competitively and institutionally, but just too far away.

(02-18-2022 05:26 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Any conference should be worried when their best answer about why they have confidence in their future is a bad contract, no matter how long, that forces schools to stay or face financial ruin.

Have you EVER heard fans of any SEC, PAC or B1G school express hope their school will move to another conference only to have a Grant of Rights waved in their face? It just doesn't happen. Healthy, successful organizations with compatible members do not have to compel those members to stay.

Your people signed it. Look at them if you want to cast blame.

(02-20-2022 10:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 09:58 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 01:38 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 10:12 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 09:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There’s going to come a point where the best ACC properties start having conversions among themselves about how to bust up the conference so they can attach themselves to the Big 10 and SEC mega conferences. ND has got be cognizant rod this too and realize that their independence is dependent on the ACC existing and if Clemson, Florida St, VT, UNC, UVA, etc can’t afford to keep the league going they are going to have to face the music the same as the other 14.

Notre Dame will be fine if the ACC ceases to exist, so long as the Big XII doesn't go at the same time. I think the Big XII would be happy to offer them similar terms to what the ACC has. And while I don't think the SEC or PAC would, if it was a matter of preserving ND's ability to not join the ACC or B1G I could see the SEC offering a scheduling agreement where ND played a couple of SEC schools each year. The PAC might do so as well although I don't think they care as much about keeping ND away from the others. I see the conference interests this way -

ACC needs ND to join and save the ACC.
The B1G wants ND to join, and thus has an interest in keeping ND from joining any other conference.
The SEC wants ND to stay independent so that no competing conference gets the boost of their membership.
The Big XII is just trying to survive, and would be happy to have ND on the schedule to get more high-profile games.
The PAC is off in their corner and a bit above the fray. I don't see them as particularly caring if ND joins another conference or not and like the SEC, ND isn't a great fit for them.

Gamenole, this is going to sound insane, but I would add this ridiculous option out there, simply because I am pretty aware of how Notre Dame thinks now, IMO:

ND contacts the Big East about joining again.

Yes, it sounds outlandish. Notre Dame has had this option before, and chose the ACC instead. What's different?? Your answer is E$PN.

I don't think that is outlandish! ND will need a home for their other sports after the ACC and they could well prefer the Big East for that, while striking an arrangement for football with another conference. I'm purely speculating here, but I suspect that the ACC experience has shown ND both the up & downside of having part of their schedule preordained. I think they'll want to keep that, but likely fewer games than 5 so they don't find themselves again in a situation where they're locked into playing so many lackluster games against hapless teams.

About the bold, many ND fans around here seem to disagree, but I've always thought the ACC got the better end of the deal with Notre Dame. IMO, playing 5 ACC games was too high a price for ND to pay given what they got in return. And IMO this was because of the situation at the time, which since the Big East was crumbling under ND's feet, favored the ACC. The ACC used that leverage to get a better deal, good for them.

Beyond that, if the ACC were to collapse, and if other conferences made ND a similar kind of scheduling offer, IMO Notre Dame's preferences would be:

1) B1G .... would pay a lot more, ND has historically often played 3-4 B1G teams a year in football anyway, and their bowl structure is great. And would be ideal for Olympic sports.

2) Big East .... natural ties with the C7 and history with the Big East. Lots of games in the northeast, and no commitment from football at all, would free ND to fully control their football schedule.

3) Big 12 .... this would be a big comedown for ND, as Big 12 teams just do not have much appeal. But better than flagging it alone with all those Olympic sports. The PAC would be ideal competitively and institutionally, but just too far away.

Notre Dame can’t join another conference until 2036. Once again, their people signed it.

(02-20-2022 04:33 AM)CFBLurker Wrote:  24 team conferences is absolutely outlandish. That's two leagues with a scheduling agreement.

But it would be an actual, real life, working agreement.

Not this pie in the sky feel good "stuff" the Pac-12 and ACC like to tout, but the B1G disavows.

(02-20-2022 11:07 AM)esayem Wrote:  Notre Dame can’t join another conference until 2036. Once again, their people signed it.

"Everything has its price" is never more true than in the world of big-time college athletics :)

(02-19-2022 09:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There’s going to come a point where the best ACC properties start having conversions among themselves about how to bust up the conference so they can attach themselves to the Big 10 and SEC mega conferences. ND has got be cognizant rod this too and realize that their independence is dependent on the ACC existing and if Clemson, Florida St, VT, UNC, UVA, etc can’t afford to keep the league going they are going to have to face the music the same as the other 14.

Is there? Where is this crystal ball you peer into?

The ACC pulls a Mick Jagger and says “I got tiiiiiiiyyyiimee on my siiiide!”

Go divisionless maximize current membership.

NIL is working pretty well. See Miami and Carolina with top-10 recruiting classes. More than your Big 10, the new Big XII, and Pac 12, btw. Even though we are mere paupers

There is the possibility the NCAA loses the tournament. What happens when the tournament money falls into the hands of the P5 conference filled with the most basketball-centric schools? Hmmmmmnn

ESPN is not stupid. They have invested and have a planned future for the ACC.

(02-20-2022 11:14 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 04:33 AM)CFBLurker Wrote:  24 team conferences is absolutely outlandish. That's two leagues with a scheduling agreement.

But it would be an actual, real life, working agreement.

Not this pie in the sky feel good "stuff" the Pac-12 and ACC like to tout, but the B1G disavows.

Um, you do know the Big 10 voted against expansion with the ACC and Pac 12. Wonder what flavor the pie was. I’m guessing it wasn’t cloud-based.

(02-20-2022 11:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 05:26 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Any conference should be worried when their best answer about why they have confidence in their future is a bad contract, no matter how long, that forces schools to stay or face financial ruin.

Have you EVER heard fans of any SEC, PAC or B1G school express hope their school will move to another conference only to have a Grant of Rights waved in their face? It just doesn't happen. Healthy, successful organizations with compatible members do not have to compel those members to stay.

Your people signed it. Look at them if you want to cast blame.

Absolutely, and I agree that past FSU administrations deserve the most blame. After trying, and failing, to prevent higher exit fees with only Maryland (who wisely escaped, while we stayed and took it) on our side, they did not have to sign the GoR binding FSU to the ACC and yet did so twice. I can only hope that current/future regimes in Tallahassee will make better decisions, even if they seem scary in the short-term, when the opportunity arises.

But you've proven my point once again, in two successive posts aimed at FSU & ND waving the GoR high like it's a flag to be proud of. It's nothing to be proud of, it's truly pathetic that the ACC can't point to any other reason for its continued survival other than an onerous contract that makes leaving financially ruinous at this time. One more time - healthy, successful organizations with compatible members do not have to compel those members to stay.

(02-20-2022 11:24 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  One more time - healthy, successful organizations with compatible members do not have to compel those members to stay.

ACC is like the desperate spouse clinging to a leg and waving the marriage certificate as the unhappy party makes a move for the door

(02-20-2022 11:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 11:14 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 04:33 AM)CFBLurker Wrote:  24 team conferences is absolutely outlandish. That's two leagues with a scheduling agreement.

But it would be an actual, real life, working agreement.

Not this pie in the sky feel good "stuff" the Pac-12 and ACC like to tout, but the B1G disavows.

Um, you do know the Big 10 voted against expansion with the ACC and Pac 12. Wonder what flavor the pie was. I’m guessing it wasn’t cloud-based.

Did these conferences apply for entry into the Big Ten? Other than in fantasy realignment talk on this board, I have never heard about Pac-12 schools being interested in expansion with the Big Ten. Don't you have to find out if they actually want in before you vote on extending an invitation?

(02-20-2022 11:07 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 10:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 09:58 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 01:38 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 10:12 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Notre Dame will be fine if the ACC ceases to exist, so long as the Big XII doesn't go at the same time. I think the Big XII would be happy to offer them similar terms to what the ACC has. And while I don't think the SEC or PAC would, if it was a matter of preserving ND's ability to not join the ACC or B1G I could see the SEC offering a scheduling agreement where ND played a couple of SEC schools each year. The PAC might do so as well although I don't think they care as much about keeping ND away from the others. I see the conference interests this way -

ACC needs ND to join and save the ACC.
The B1G wants ND to join, and thus has an interest in keeping ND from joining any other conference.
The SEC wants ND to stay independent so that no competing conference gets the boost of their membership.
The Big XII is just trying to survive, and would be happy to have ND on the schedule to get more high-profile games.
The PAC is off in their corner and a bit above the fray. I don't see them as particularly caring if ND joins another conference or not and like the SEC, ND isn't a great fit for them.

Gamenole, this is going to sound insane, but I would add this ridiculous option out there, simply because I am pretty aware of how Notre Dame thinks now, IMO:

ND contacts the Big East about joining again.

Yes, it sounds outlandish. Notre Dame has had this option before, and chose the ACC instead. What's different?? Your answer is E$PN.

I don't think that is outlandish! ND will need a home for their other sports after the ACC and they could well prefer the Big East for that, while striking an arrangement for football with another conference. I'm purely speculating here, but I suspect that the ACC experience has shown ND both the up & downside of having part of their schedule preordained. I think they'll want to keep that, but likely fewer games than 5 so they don't find themselves again in a situation where they're locked into playing so many lackluster games against hapless teams.

About the bold, many ND fans around here seem to disagree, but I've always thought the ACC got the better end of the deal with Notre Dame. IMO, playing 5 ACC games was too high a price for ND to pay given what they got in return. And IMO this was because of the situation at the time, which since the Big East was crumbling under ND's feet, favored the ACC. The ACC used that leverage to get a better deal, good for them.

Beyond that, if the ACC were to collapse, and if other conferences made ND a similar kind of scheduling offer, IMO Notre Dame's preferences would be:

1) B1G .... would pay a lot more, ND has historically often played 3-4 B1G teams a year in football anyway, and their bowl structure is great. And would be ideal for Olympic sports.

2) Big East .... natural ties with the C7 and history with the Big East. Lots of games in the northeast, and no commitment from football at all, would free ND to fully control their football schedule.

3) Big 12 .... this would be a big comedown for ND, as Big 12 teams just do not have much appeal. But better than flagging it alone with all those Olympic sports. The PAC would be ideal competitively and institutionally, but just too far away.

Notre Dame can’t join another conference until 2036. Once again, their people signed it.

ND isn't looking to change anything before then.

Its all the football conferences and football conference schools doing this crazy realignment suff.

ND likes the status quo until 2036 just fine. It likes it much better than joining the ACC or the Big Ten in football.

It will likely re-up with NBC before 2025, I believe, especially if NBC gets part of the Big Ten contract and wants to cross-market ND and the Big Ten.

That will require NBC to throw substantially more money ND's way, not just to the Big Ten.

It will sit still and "monitor the landscape" unless/until the ACC collapses, then will weigh its options, if necessary.

Any way it goes, ND will come out of things just fine. It has plenty of options.

(02-20-2022 11:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND likes the status quo until 2036 just fine. It likes it much better than joining the ACC or the Big Ten in football.

It will sit still and "monitor the landscape" unless/until the ACC collapses, then will weigh its options, if necessary.

Any way it goes, ND will come out of things just fine. It has plenty of options.

All that you say is true for ND *football*. But if the ACC loses multiple heavyweights — an outcome which I do not necessarily believe will happen, by the way — then ND’s Olympic sports could absolutely wind up in a much-inferior position than what it has now.

(02-18-2022 04:51 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  It's being reported that CBS, NBC, Fox, & ABC/ESPN all have interest in Big Ten content. And the new annual figure is said to be more than 1 Billion per year for the league. During the last round it was said that the Big Ten had interest in sundry ACC schools most notably UNC, UVA, & Georgia Tech.
If the Big Ten lands that deal, which sound increasingly likely. Should the ACC be worried that those schools and others: Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech, & Clemson may actually pursue the Big Ten this time around to share in that sweet, sweet, loot? What do you think?

Worry?
The biggest worriers should be the SEC, B1G, ESPN and FOX. Should any ACC teams leave for either the SEC or the B1G would it reduce the per team pay? Based on rhetoric we have heard for years on this board it probably would, so the conferences mentioned would have a financial "investment" in any expansion.
ESPN and FOX would also have a two fold worry. Would the viewership increase with a few ACC teams be worthy of a long term investment of $40-$50 million per team per year knowing that teams would be left in those same markets.
For instance if the SEC took VT and Carolina to go along with FSU and Miami. UVa then provides an introduction to a market the B1G never has had access to. NC State, with a huge population of Big Ten graduates within 40 miles of its campus could provide a toe hold into the 9th most populated state for the B1G.

Needless to say there are large investments to be made and fortunes to be made or lost by entities other than the ACC schools.
The dollars have gotten so big with any additional realignment moves, anybody that authorizes a move should be worried.

(02-20-2022 11:07 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 10:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 09:58 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 01:38 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 10:12 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Notre Dame will be fine if the ACC ceases to exist, so long as the Big XII doesn't go at the same time. I think the Big XII would be happy to offer them similar terms to what the ACC has. And while I don't think the SEC or PAC would, if it was a matter of preserving ND's ability to not join the ACC or B1G I could see the SEC offering a scheduling agreement where ND played a couple of SEC schools each year. The PAC might do so as well although I don't think they care as much about keeping ND away from the others. I see the conference interests this way -

ACC needs ND to join and save the ACC.
The B1G wants ND to join, and thus has an interest in keeping ND from joining any other conference.
The SEC wants ND to stay independent so that no competing conference gets the boost of their membership.
The Big XII is just trying to survive, and would be happy to have ND on the schedule to get more high-profile games.
The PAC is off in their corner and a bit above the fray. I don't see them as particularly caring if ND joins another conference or not and like the SEC, ND isn't a great fit for them.

Gamenole, this is going to sound insane, but I would add this ridiculous option out there, simply because I am pretty aware of how Notre Dame thinks now, IMO:

ND contacts the Big East about joining again.

Yes, it sounds outlandish. Notre Dame has had this option before, and chose the ACC instead. What's different?? Your answer is E$PN.

I don't think that is outlandish! ND will need a home for their other sports after the ACC and they could well prefer the Big East for that, while striking an arrangement for football with another conference. I'm purely speculating here, but I suspect that the ACC experience has shown ND both the up & downside of having part of their schedule preordained. I think they'll want to keep that, but likely fewer games than 5 so they don't find themselves again in a situation where they're locked into playing so many lackluster games against hapless teams.

About the bold, many ND fans around here seem to disagree, but I've always thought the ACC got the better end of the deal with Notre Dame. IMO, playing 5 ACC games was too high a price for ND to pay given what they got in return. And IMO this was because of the situation at the time, which since the Big East was crumbling under ND's feet, favored the ACC. The ACC used that leverage to get a better deal, good for them.

Beyond that, if the ACC were to collapse, and if other conferences made ND a similar kind of scheduling offer, IMO Notre Dame's preferences would be:

1) B1G .... would pay a lot more, ND has historically often played 3-4 B1G teams a year in football anyway, and their bowl structure is great. And would be ideal for Olympic sports.

2) Big East .... natural ties with the C7 and history with the Big East. Lots of games in the northeast, and no commitment from football at all, would free ND to fully control their football schedule.

3) Big 12 .... this would be a big comedown for ND, as Big 12 teams just do not have much appeal. But better than flagging it alone with all those Olympic sports. The PAC would be ideal competitively and institutionally, but just too far away.

Notre Dame can’t join another conference until 2036. Once again, their people signed it.

FWIW, in case it wasn't clear, that's why I said "if the ACC collapses .... ", because ND can't leave the ACC until 2036. But I assume that if the ACC dissolves away, then ND would be freed of that.

(02-20-2022 12:21 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 11:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND likes the status quo until 2036 just fine. It likes it much better than joining the ACC or the Big Ten in football.

It will sit still and "monitor the landscape" unless/until the ACC collapses, then will weigh its options, if necessary.

Any way it goes, ND will come out of things just fine. It has plenty of options.

All that you say is true for ND *football*. But if the ACC loses multiple heavyweights — an outcome which I do not necessarily believe will happen, by the way — then ND’s Olympic sports could absolutely wind up in a much-inferior position than what it has now.

The Big East? A hypothetical partial deal with the Big 12?

Maybe, but that would just be unfortunate collateral damage to protect football.

In ND's eyes, football independence is the best vehicle to recruit (players, students) and to market the program and the school.

ND wants to protect its other sports sure, but wants to protect the football status quo more.

But anyway, I was talking about whatever option is available in 2031 or 2036, including possible Big Ten or SEC full membership

(02-20-2022 11:49 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 11:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 11:14 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 04:33 AM)CFBLurker Wrote:  24 team conferences is absolutely outlandish. That's two leagues with a scheduling agreement.

But it would be an actual, real life, working agreement.

Not this pie in the sky feel good "stuff" the Pac-12 and ACC like to tout, but the B1G disavows.

Um, you do know the Big 10 voted against expansion with the ACC and Pac 12. Wonder what flavor the pie was. I’m guessing it wasn’t cloud-based.

Did these conferences apply for entry into the Big Ten? Other than in fantasy realignment talk on this board, I have never heard about Pac-12 schools being interested in expansion with the Big Ten. Don't you have to find out if they actually want in before you vote on extending an invitation?

Playoff expansion. C’mon now.

(02-20-2022 11:30 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 11:24 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  One more time - healthy, successful organizations with compatible members do not have to compel those members to stay.

ACC is like the desperate spouse clinging to a leg and waving the marriage certificate as the unhappy party makes a move for the door

No thanks to da U’s last two decades of atrocious football. Knock the ACC all you want, but how many times have you won it? LOL Who was your bandwagon ass cheering for when UNC was hanging 60 on ya?



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(02-20-2022 11:24 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 11:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 05:26 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Any conference should be worried when their best answer about why they have confidence in their future is a bad contract, no matter how long, that forces schools to stay or face financial ruin.

Have you EVER heard fans of any SEC, PAC or B1G school express hope their school will move to another conference only to have a Grant of Rights waved in their face? It just doesn't happen. Healthy, successful organizations with compatible members do not have to compel those members to stay.

Your people signed it. Look at them if you want to cast blame.

Absolutely, and I agree that past FSU administrations deserve the most blame. After trying, and failing, to prevent higher exit fees with only Maryland (who wisely escaped, while we stayed and took it) on our side, they did not have to sign the GoR binding FSU to the ACC and yet did so twice. I can only hope that current/future regimes in Tallahassee will make better decisions, even if they seem scary in the short-term, when the opportunity arises.

But you've proven my point once again, in two successive posts aimed at FSU & ND waving the GoR high like it's a flag to be proud of. It's nothing to be proud of, it's truly pathetic that the ACC can't point to any other reason for its continued survival other than an onerous contract that makes leaving financially ruinous at this time. One more time - healthy, successful organizations with compatible members do not have to compel those members to stay.

Once again: all the members university reps signed it. They know a lot more than you do.

I’m not waiving it like a banner, I’m saying it buys the conference time to maneuver in this new paradigm.

Florida St. joined the ACC because they knew they’d become an also-ran in the SEC. Guess what? You’re an also-ran in the ACC and you’re so butthurt you’re blaming an agreement YOUR PEOPLE signed.

Do you think FSU can compete in the SEC? Last time I checked, FSU would have the 9th largest stadium in the SEC. That’s not considering the addition of Oklahoma and Texas. You guys couldn’t even keep a coach that won a natty. Pathetic.

The only thing that is going to save the ACC if it comes to where all this speculation comes to fruition is to vote some schools out of the conference, and forcing ESPNs hand in renegotiating with them. The ACC should look into scenarios where they remove teams say Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt and Wake Forrest. This moves the conference down to 10 members plus Notre Dame moving to play a round robin within conference of 9 conference games Notre Dame for 5 games with 2 out of conference games with a 3rd when ND isn’t scheduled. Yes the days of having 5-6 and 7 home games isn’t happening, but a schedule for TV that is much better to sell than what previously was negotiated.