(02-18-2022 05:41 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 05:10 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Depends what you mean by worried.

10 years ago with the BTN on the upswing, it was pretty direct and clear that, say, a UNC/UVA expansion would make a lot more money for the Big Ten.

We're now getting to heights, though, where we may be getting to a point of diminishing returns with Big Ten expansion unless it involves Notre Dame. (I think we're already there with the SEC and why I don't buy these Armageddon superconference scenarios where they keep adding more schools. There's no single expansion that's more valuable than the one they just did with Texas and Oklahoma.) I always like to remind people that part of the purpose of an actual conference (as opposed to a TV rights arrangement) is to have teams that actually play each other regularly. That still works in a 16-team conference with a pod system and you're playing 9 conference games (as the SEC appears to be heading). As sexy as it sounds to have a 24-team Big Ten or SEC that has USC, Florida State, Miami, etc., that's really just a TV rights/scheduling arrangement since it's impossible for all of those teams to actually play each other any more than if they were simply non-conference opponents.

So, I'm a future Big Ten expansion skeptic on that front (which is saying something because the whole reason why I write about conference realignment was based on Big Ten expansion).

That being said, individual ACC schools should be quite worried that they're 8 figures in the hole competing against the Big Ten and SEC every single year based on the conference revenue disparities.

I think the ACC has reason to "worry about". 1. Will they be able to keep up. 2. If the ACC is unable to stay in the same ballpark, will their more attractive schools especially UNC and UVA reach out to the B1G to pursue a marriage to the further detriment of the ACC.

In regards to a super conference... I think that because College Sports are rooted in regionalism, any expanded conference would still likely have a significant regional component even if that means fewer contests with more distant conference foes. Reason being those regional games, even without national implications, will still garner more interest among local fans.

I agree with Frank on this. Also don’t forget the Tobacco road schools (UNC, Duke, UVa) are a stubborn bunch. Maybe even more stubborn than ND. These schools like the status quo in terms of their conference affiliation. NC State, WF, VT, and probably GT will stay as long as there core Tobacco schools don’t leave.

(02-20-2022 04:02 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The only thing that is going to save the ACC if it comes to where all this speculation comes to fruition is to vote some schools out of the conference, and forcing ESPNs hand in renegotiating with them. The ACC should look into scenarios where they remove teams say Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt and Wake Forrest. This moves the conference down to 10 members plus Notre Dame moving to play a round robin within conference of 9 conference games Notre Dame for 5 games with 2 out of conference games with a 3rd when ND isn’t scheduled. Yes the days of having 5-6 and 7 home games isn’t happening, but a schedule for TV that is much better to sell than what previously was negotiated.

ESPN management and on-air staff includes a large number of Syracuse alums. The Syracuse AD is a former ESPN executive.

You think kicking Syracuse out of the ACC would help the ACC's relationship with ESPN?

(02-20-2022 04:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 04:02 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The only thing that is going to save the ACC if it comes to where all this speculation comes to fruition is to vote some schools out of the conference, and forcing ESPNs hand in renegotiating with them. The ACC should look into scenarios where they remove teams say Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt and Wake Forrest. This moves the conference down to 10 members plus Notre Dame moving to play a round robin within conference of 9 conference games Notre Dame for 5 games with 2 out of conference games with a 3rd when ND isn’t scheduled. Yes the days of having 5-6 and 7 home games isn’t happening, but a schedule for TV that is much better to sell than what previously was negotiated.

ESPN management and on-air staff includes a large number of Syracuse alums. The Syracuse AD is a former ESPN executive.

You think kicking Syracuse out of the ACC would help the ACC's relationship with ESPN?

Just throwing a scenario out there. I don’t want to see anyone kicked out to be honest. Something is going to have to happen and what exactly I don’t know, but the conference can not sit by for the next 10-15yrs with this deal going forward. There has to be a way to break it, and if that means a fine of ungodly proportions then I would do it.

(02-20-2022 03:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 11:24 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 11:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 05:26 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Any conference should be worried when their best answer about why they have confidence in their future is a bad contract, no matter how long, that forces schools to stay or face financial ruin.

Have you EVER heard fans of any SEC, PAC or B1G school express hope their school will move to another conference only to have a Grant of Rights waved in their face? It just doesn't happen. Healthy, successful organizations with compatible members do not have to compel those members to stay.

Your people signed it. Look at them if you want to cast blame.

Absolutely, and I agree that past FSU administrations deserve the most blame. After trying, and failing, to prevent higher exit fees with only Maryland (who wisely escaped, while we stayed and took it) on our side, they did not have to sign the GoR binding FSU to the ACC and yet did so twice. I can only hope that current/future regimes in Tallahassee will make better decisions, even if they seem scary in the short-term, when the opportunity arises.

But you've proven my point once again, in two successive posts aimed at FSU & ND waving the GoR high like it's a flag to be proud of. It's nothing to be proud of, it's truly pathetic that the ACC can't point to any other reason for its continued survival other than an onerous contract that makes leaving financially ruinous at this time. One more time - healthy, successful organizations with compatible members do not have to compel those members to stay.

Once again: all the members university reps signed it. They know a lot more than you do.

I’m not waiving it like a banner, I’m saying it buys the conference time to maneuver in this new paradigm.

Florida St. joined the ACC because they knew they’d become an also-ran in the SEC. Guess what? You’re an also-ran in the ACC and you’re so butthurt you’re blaming an agreement YOUR PEOPLE signed.

Do you think FSU can compete in the SEC? Last time I checked, FSU would have the 9th largest stadium in the SEC. That’s not considering the addition of Oklahoma and Texas. You guys couldn’t even keep a coach that won a natty. Pathetic.

Indeed, we have been an also-ran in the ACC for several years now. And the bright side to that is, I hope it has extinguished the idea in Tallahassee that the ACC offers an easier path to the national title and thus is a better place for FSU. If they can't learn from years of bad football combined with tens of millions in annual deficits in conference revenue compared to UF, then there's little hope for FSU anyway. I certainly wouldn't throw away the legacy of the late great Bobby Bowden over one mistake, but I never liked that decision and it has proven a very costly one long-term. It needs to be corrected, as soon as the opportunity arises.

And our stadium? 9th will be just fine, or 11th if that's where Doak-Campbell lands after Texas & OK join. Do you know how much money the 11th biggest stadium owner in the SEC gets from Birmingham every year? The same as the schools whose stadiums rank #1 and #16, and tens of millions more than anybody in the ACC gets. To say nothing of the fact that we'd have SEC opponents coming to our 11th largest stadium, instead of the underwhelming ACC slate.

(02-20-2022 05:00 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 04:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 04:02 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The only thing that is going to save the ACC if it comes to where all this speculation comes to fruition is to vote some schools out of the conference, and forcing ESPNs hand in renegotiating with them. The ACC should look into scenarios where they remove teams say Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt and Wake Forrest. This moves the conference down to 10 members plus Notre Dame moving to play a round robin within conference of 9 conference games Notre Dame for 5 games with 2 out of conference games with a 3rd when ND isn’t scheduled. Yes the days of having 5-6 and 7 home games isn’t happening, but a schedule for TV that is much better to sell than what previously was negotiated.

ESPN management and on-air staff includes a large number of Syracuse alums. The Syracuse AD is a former ESPN executive.

You think kicking Syracuse out of the ACC would help the ACC's relationship with ESPN?

Just throwing a scenario out there. I don’t want to see anyone kicked out to be honest. Something is going to have to happen and what exactly I don’t know, but the conference can not sit by for the next 10-15yrs with this deal going forward. There has to be a way to break it, and if that means a fine of ungodly proportions then I would do it.

Statefan in another thread suggested:

"Getting rid of 2 of Duke, WF, BC, and NC State would likely net the ACC $80 million a year because any two could be sent to another conference and the basic ACC contract would not change."

(02-20-2022 05:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 05:00 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 04:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 04:02 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The only thing that is going to save the ACC if it comes to where all this speculation comes to fruition is to vote some schools out of the conference, and forcing ESPNs hand in renegotiating with them. The ACC should look into scenarios where they remove teams say Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt and Wake Forrest. This moves the conference down to 10 members plus Notre Dame moving to play a round robin within conference of 9 conference games Notre Dame for 5 games with 2 out of conference games with a 3rd when ND isn’t scheduled. Yes the days of having 5-6 and 7 home games isn’t happening, but a schedule for TV that is much better to sell than what previously was negotiated.

ESPN management and on-air staff includes a large number of Syracuse alums. The Syracuse AD is a former ESPN executive.

You think kicking Syracuse out of the ACC would help the ACC's relationship with ESPN?

Just throwing a scenario out there. I don’t want to see anyone kicked out to be honest. Something is going to have to happen and what exactly I don’t know, but the conference can not sit by for the next 10-15yrs with this deal going forward. There has to be a way to break it, and if that means a fine of ungodly proportions then I would do it.

Statefan in another thread suggested:

"Getting rid of 2 of Duke, WF, BC, and NC State would likely net the ACC $80 million a year because any two could be sent to another conference and the basic ACC contract would not change."

Hey, okay! Send N.C. State and Duke to either the SEC or B1G and see how much it impacts the value of the State of North Carolina to the ACC when one of the 2 powers gains ad leverage over 11 million potential viewers.

(02-18-2022 04:58 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The ACC should be worried; but they signed such a bad , long contract that it will be at least 10 years till movement happens..

100 Percent TRUTH

A billion plus dollar a year contract sounds huge, but that come to about $70-80M per school per year which is about what was expected. The SEC will get at least something similar meaning Big 10 and SEC teams will have a huge financial advantage over everyone else, assuming the ACC is locked in for another 10-12 years, that the Big 12 will probably take a step back when they negotiate the next media rights deal and the PAC 12 doesn’t see a significant step change when it negotiates a new contract.

It would also seem even more unlikely that either the SEC or Big 10 invites new teams as it’s difficult to see how any team in the remaining three conferences would add enough to a media contract to increase the annual payout.

(02-18-2022 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 05:30 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 05:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  If we're getting 1 billion a year, forget the ACC, I think the SEC should be worried. Forget North Carolina and Virginia, my next call would be to Texas, maybe even to Florida. You can talk national championships all you want, national championships don't pay the bills. Big if of course. If the Big Ten can get more per team without Texas/Oklahoma than the SEC can with them after their next contracts start, Kevin Warren will be the best commissioner in the history of college sports!

...THIS is why the SEC finally has implemented an exit fee - not sure of the conditions, but I did remember reading about it a few weeks back...

Hell, no it's not! And if Texas or Florida wanted an association with the B1G they would already be there. Some people need math lessons. The SEC's deal was over 3 billion for just T1. And the reported revenue of the SEC for the fiscal 2021 year was 777 million with no 3 billion T1 deal. Smoke that over. And all of these announced totals are for the duration of a contract. 1 Billion for 6 years is worth less than 3 Billion for 10 years.

Don't let some troll prompt such a misinformed position. The SEC loaned 23-25 million to each member school last year as a loan against the new contract and to cover lost gate and concessions which for 7 home games comes to ~ 25 million each. It covered losses due to COVID Social Distancing requirements. The 50 million exit fee would recoup that with a little sting. In 2025 SEC schools will be knocking down 76.5 million in media money annually. If the SEC was worried about defections the exit fee would equal 2 years worth of revenue, so 150 million.

ESPN insisted on a GOR and lawyers insisted on the meager exit fee.

...oh yeah, it wouldn't probably EVER be 'put to the test', but if anything, it will discourage (somewhat) the BIG (and ONLY the BIG) from nosing around (I'm sure they have the same exit fee deal (?))... and will 'lock in' any properties out there in the future which may be an 'either/or' program, like, oh, North Carolina, who would most likely be a BIG candidate, but might opt for the SEC...

But yeah, not sure why ANY program would leave the SEC (or the BIG10 for that matter - It's been interesting hearing folks say "Nebraska needs to move back to the BIG XII" ...yeah, I'll forego millions of $$$ each year to leave the BIG... pretty screwy thoughts... ) One of the few moves which MAY happen, and, money wise would be a 'push', from the SEC-to the BIG, would be Mizzou - they have been an OK fit in the SEC so far, but they just seem SO much more BIG10 'style'...

The SEC takes some schools, the Big 10 others...but a lot are going to be left holding the bag.

(02-20-2022 09:35 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 05:30 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 05:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  If we're getting 1 billion a year, forget the ACC, I think the SEC should be worried. Forget North Carolina and Virginia, my next call would be to Texas, maybe even to Florida. You can talk national championships all you want, national championships don't pay the bills. Big if of course. If the Big Ten can get more per team without Texas/Oklahoma than the SEC can with them after their next contracts start, Kevin Warren will be the best commissioner in the history of college sports!

...THIS is why the SEC finally has implemented an exit fee - not sure of the conditions, but I did remember reading about it a few weeks back...

Hell, no it's not! And if Texas or Florida wanted an association with the B1G they would already be there. Some people need math lessons. The SEC's deal was over 3 billion for just T1. And the reported revenue of the SEC for the fiscal 2021 year was 777 million with no 3 billion T1 deal. Smoke that over. And all of these announced totals are for the duration of a contract. 1 Billion for 6 years is worth less than 3 Billion for 10 years.

Don't let some troll prompt such a misinformed position. The SEC loaned 23-25 million to each member school last year as a loan against the new contract and to cover lost gate and concessions which for 7 home games comes to ~ 25 million each. It covered losses due to COVID Social Distancing requirements. The 50 million exit fee would recoup that with a little sting. In 2025 SEC schools will be knocking down 76.5 million in media money annually. If the SEC was worried about defections the exit fee would equal 2 years worth of revenue, so 150 million.

ESPN insisted on a GOR and lawyers insisted on the meager exit fee.

...oh yeah, it wouldn't probably EVER be 'put to the test', but if anything, it will discourage (somewhat) the BIG (and ONLY the BIG) from nosing around (I'm sure they have the same exit fee deal (?))... and will 'lock in' any properties out there in the future which may be an 'either/or' program, like, oh, North Carolina, who would most likely be a BIG candidate, but might opt for the SEC...

But yeah, not sure why ANY program would leave the SEC (or the BIG10 for that matter - It's been interesting hearing folks say "Nebraska needs to move back to the BIG XII" ...yeah, I'll forego millions of $$$ each year to leave the BIG... pretty screwy thoughts... ) One of the few moves which MAY happen, and, money wise would be a 'push', from the SEC-to the BIG, would be Mizzou - they have been an OK fit in the SEC so far, but they just seem SO much more BIG10 'style'...

The Big 10 once nosed around Vanderbilt. The ACC once nosed around Kentucky and Florida. SEC policy has been don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. No exit fees and no GOR until the SECN launched. Nobody left. Why? All they needed to do was look at Tulane and look at Georgia Tech and ask themselves how a life against a non SEC schedule would turn out?

As to Missouri they could fit in with the B1G and if the money is similar sure it could be an option. The question now that OU and UT are on board is do they really want to do that? Starting over in the B1G with only Nebraska as an old foe and maybe with Kansas would still be a major adjustment. And the B1G would likely have to ponder which school we might replace them with, and whether or not that would add or subtract from the SEC.

What if they swiped Mizzou and we replaced them with a Florida school, or UNC, or Va Tech, or even worse, Notre Dame? All a NET market gain at their expense.

People here think that only ND adds enough value to join either the SEC or B1G and it simply isn't so. North Carolina, Virginia Tech or UVa and N.C. State add 21 million in market penetration alone. The first two are the best draws. If the SEC adds another Fla school we get a boost in ad rates in a large state. And none of that accounts for the content match ups it creates or the added inventory.

I know options are more constricted, but they aren't nonexistent.

(02-20-2022 05:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 05:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 05:00 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 04:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-20-2022 04:02 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The only thing that is going to save the ACC if it comes to where all this speculation comes to fruition is to vote some schools out of the conference, and forcing ESPNs hand in renegotiating with them. The ACC should look into scenarios where they remove teams say Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt and Wake Forrest. This moves the conference down to 10 members plus Notre Dame moving to play a round robin within conference of 9 conference games Notre Dame for 5 games with 2 out of conference games with a 3rd when ND isn’t scheduled. Yes the days of having 5-6 and 7 home games isn’t happening, but a schedule for TV that is much better to sell than what previously was negotiated.

ESPN management and on-air staff includes a large number of Syracuse alums. The Syracuse AD is a former ESPN executive.

You think kicking Syracuse out of the ACC would help the ACC's relationship with ESPN?

Just throwing a scenario out there. I don’t want to see anyone kicked out to be honest. Something is going to have to happen and what exactly I don’t know, but the conference can not sit by for the next 10-15yrs with this deal going forward. There has to be a way to break it, and if that means a fine of ungodly proportions then I would do it.

Statefan in another thread suggested:

"Getting rid of 2 of Duke, WF, BC, and NC State would likely net the ACC $80 million a year because any two could be sent to another conference and the basic ACC contract would not change."

Hey, okay! Send N.C. State and Duke to either the SEC or B1G and see how much it impacts the value of the State of North Carolina to the ACC when one of the 2 powers gains ad leverage over 11 million potential viewers.

My argument exactly!

"Worry?
The biggest worriers should be the SEC, B1G, ESPN and FOX. Should any ACC teams leave for either the SEC or the B1G would it reduce the per team pay? Based on rhetoric we have heard for years on this board it probably would, so the conferences mentioned would have a financial "investment" in any expansion.
ESPN and FOX would also have a two fold worry. Would the viewership increase with a few ACC teams be worthy of a long term investment of $40-$50 million per team per year knowing that teams would be left in those same markets.
For instance if the SEC took VT and Carolina to go along with FSU and Miami. UVa then provides an introduction to a market the B1G never has had access to. NC State, with a huge population of Big Ten graduates within 40 miles of its campus could provide a toe hold into the 9th most populated state for the B1G."

Needless to say there are large investments to be made and fortunes to be made or lost by entities other than the ACC schools.
The dollars have gotten so big with any additional realignment moves, anybody that authorizes a move should be worried.

I think the ceiling for both the SEC and B1G is 18.

The SEC would love to get their paws on Virginia Tech. The question of who is #18 is a little less obvious. Clemson, Florida State, and Miami have brands, but add no new market. NC State doesn't have the brand power, but adds a new market (that connects to Virginia Tech). Duke may be a wildcard, but unlikely. I suppose West Virginia or Kansas could be in play, but I think once someone draws blood on the ACC, it will be carved up as much as possible.

The B1G will grab Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech. It's a question of whether they'll bend for Clemson, Duke, Florida State, or Miami. Notre Dame, of course, would jump the line.

(02-20-2022 10:19 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think the ceiling for both the SEC and B1G is 18.

The SEC would love to get their paws on Virginia Tech. The question of who is #18 is a little less obvious. Clemson, Florida State, and Miami have brands, but add no new market. NC State doesn't have the brand power, but adds a new market (that connects to Virginia Tech). Duke may be a wildcard, but unlikely. I suppose West Virginia or Kansas could be in play, but I think once someone draws blood on the ACC, it will be carved up as much as possible.

The B1G will grab Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech. It's a question of whether they'll bend for Clemson, Duke, Florida State, or Miami. Notre Dame, of course, would jump the line.

Carolina isn’t going anywhere without Virginia and Duke. Those three and GT to the B1G would make sense but I hope the ACC stays intact.

(02-20-2022 10:19 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think the ceiling for both the SEC and B1G is 18.

The SEC would love to get their paws on Virginia Tech. The question of who is #18 is a little less obvious. Clemson, Florida State, and Miami have brands, but add no new market. NC State doesn't have the brand power, but adds a new market (that connects to Virginia Tech). Duke may be a wildcard, but unlikely. I suppose West Virginia or Kansas could be in play, but I think once someone draws blood on the ACC, it will be carved up as much as possible.

The B1G will grab Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech. It's a question of whether they'll bend for Clemson, Duke, Florida State, or Miami. Notre Dame, of course, would jump the line.

Gee one of those you say the B1G will grab has already contacted the SEC, and it's not the first time either. Nothing pertaining to who goes where is as set in stone as many would believe. And it's not just conferences and schools, but networks which are all involved as well.

(02-20-2022 04:02 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The only thing that is going to save the ACC if it comes to where all this speculation comes to fruition is to vote some schools out of the conference, and forcing ESPNs hand in renegotiating with them. The ACC should look into scenarios where they remove teams say Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt and Wake Forrest. This moves the conference down to 10 members plus Notre Dame moving to play a round robin within conference of 9 conference games Notre Dame for 5 games with 2 out of conference games with a 3rd when ND isn’t scheduled. Yes the days of having 5-6 and 7 home games isn’t happening, but a schedule for TV that is much better to sell than what previously was negotiated.

You can hang that up. I have yet to see any situation where any full member of any conference was ever voted out. That even includes the Sunbelt's situation with UTA and UALR. This even includes the Big East voting out Temple. To the best of my knowledge,bI have yet to see a full 100% member voted out of any conference. And, unlike BC and Syracuse, Wake Forest can play the founding member card. Founding members can not be expelled.

(02-20-2022 10:19 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think the ceiling for both the SEC and B1G is 18.

The SEC would love to get their paws on Virginia Tech. The question of who is #18 is a little less obvious. Clemson, Florida State, and Miami have brands, but add no new market. NC State doesn't have the brand power, but adds a new market (that connects to Virginia Tech). Duke may be a wildcard, but unlikely. I suppose West Virginia or Kansas could be in play, but I think once someone draws blood on the ACC, it will be carved up as much as possible.

The B1G will grab Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech. It's a question of whether they'll bend for Clemson, Duke, Florida State, or Miami. Notre Dame, of course, would jump the line.

JR echoes my sentiments on UNC, so I won't comment on them. I will comment on Miami though. It's certainly possible that the B1G could take Miami, especially seeing how Miami fits the B1G'S culture

(02-20-2022 03:49 PM)esayem Wrote:  No thanks to da U’s last two decades of atrocious football. Knock the ACC all you want, but how many times have you won it?



SCORECARD

Atrocious is definitely the word for it.

Being lumped with non-football schools like BC, Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, Syracuse and Virginia — none of which have won a championship since ACC division play begin in 2005 — says it all about the pitiful decline of Hurricane Football.

Hoping Coach Cristobal coach can get things going back in the right direction beginning this fall.

(02-20-2022 03:49 PM)esayem Wrote:  Who was your bandwagon ass cheering for when UNC was hanging 60 on ya?

I was busy by halftime painting a "Fire Manny Diaz" banner to hang in my front yard.

And just for the record, no bandwagon fan. Been ride or die with the Canes since 1974.

That ain't easy when surrounded by Gators and Noles in North Florida :)

Who could add value to whom if hoops are freed to maximize revenue?

B1G: Kansas, Noth Carolina, Duke.

SEC: Kansas, North Carolina, Duke.

Football:

B1G: Notre Dame

SEC: Notre Dame

Markets:

B1G: Virginia, North Carolina, a Florida school.

SEC: Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, a Florida school.

Anyone Else?: I would say Georgia Tech for Atlanta for the B1G. Maybe Pitt for a different end of Pennsylvania. Would it ultimately pay off?

Clemson for the SEC? A solid content multiplier but at best a wash financially.