https://sagarin.usatoday.com/2022-2/coll...ings-2022/

On the other hand, Alabama is No. 5 in the Massey Composite.

Also #5 in simulated BCS rankings. Give me a composite over 1 single metric anyday.

Massey Composite has always been quo’s go-to source. He has argued many times that Massey Composite is the best because it’s an aggregate of computers as opposed to just one computer.

Alabama is #5 in Massey Composite.

(01-01-2023 07:26 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  https://sagarin.usatoday.com/2022-2/coll...ings-2022/

On the other hand, Alabama is No. 5 in the Massey Composite.

Hence, the expanded playoff: And as a result, 'Bama under Saban will probably never be left out again, at least until the ghost of Mike Price returns.

Several years ago, folks would argue about who was 2/3 in the BCS. Today, we are arguing who is 4/5/6. In a few years, we will argue who is 12/13/14.

Pretty sure Quo declared Bama national champs weeks ago. Kind of reminds me of UCF fans a couple years back.

It's too bad they didn't win one more game. All those great computer ratings are worth as much as the year Wisconsin had the most players drafted in the NFL, and the most in the 1s round, but were 6-6 (but boy were they loaded on paper). Or put another way, that's why we play the game.

(01-01-2023 08:16 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Several years ago, folks would argue about who was 2/3 in the BCS. Today, we are arguing who is 4/5/6. In a few years, we will argue who is 12/13/14.

I don’t think that argument will happen unless teams 9-12 actually win some championships with regularity. The basis for arguing 1 or 2 teams past the current format is the thought they would be genuinely competitive to win a championship.

The talent drops significantly after the 5th or 6th ranked team. But we shall see!

And will likely be #1 if Georgia loses by a bit. Sagarin’s is a power ranking and lists most likely to win on a neutral field. Don’t have a problem with saying Alabama is the #2 best team in the country. Postseason play, however, is based on winning the games. Georgia or TCU will have won the ones that count. Alabama did not.

The Massey Composite hasn’t been updated since December 3. It will not update again until all bowls and CFP championship are played. Alabama is #3 in the Sagarin rating shown on the Massey Composite if you want evidence. It’s disingenuous to make a comparison to old Massey numbers using updated Sagarin numbers.

Too bad games aren’t played on a spread sheet ….

(01-01-2023 07:26 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  https://sagarin.usatoday.com/2022-2/coll...ings-2022/

On the other hand, Alabama is No. 5 in the Massey Composite.

And Texas is #9 and Oklahoma #19.

(01-01-2023 08:23 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 08:16 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Several years ago, folks would argue about who was 2/3 in the BCS. Today, we are arguing who is 4/5/6. In a few years, we will argue who is 12/13/14.

I don’t think that argument will happen unless teams 9-12 actually win some championships with regularity. The basis for arguing 1 or 2 teams past the current format is the thought they would be genuinely competitive to win a championship.

The talent drops significantly after the 5th or 6th ranked team. But we shall see!

we see it in college hoops. Folks always argue the bubble teams more than the top teams. It's just natural I think.

(01-01-2023 08:16 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Several years ago, folks would argue about who was 2/3 in the BCS. Today, we are arguing who is 4/5/6. In a few years, we will argue who is 12/13/14.

Oh, just wait until roughly 2035, when we'll be having debates about who's #32 and who's #33.


A minority of this website will be complaining that the 32 team playoff is way too big. But most people will be like "who doesn't enjoy more football. This is just great, the #32 team in the country in the playoff. If you don't enjoy all these playoff games, you don't have to watch them."

(01-01-2023 10:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 08:23 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 08:16 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Several years ago, folks would argue about who was 2/3 in the BCS. Today, we are arguing who is 4/5/6. In a few years, we will argue who is 12/13/14.

I don’t think that argument will happen unless teams 9-12 actually win some championships with regularity. The basis for arguing 1 or 2 teams past the current format is the thought they would be genuinely competitive to win a championship.

The talent drops significantly after the 5th or 6th ranked team. But we shall see!

we see it in college hoops. Folks always argue the bubble teams more than the top teams. It's just natural I think.

Nobody except for the fans of the bubble teams cares l about what bubble teams get included and which bubble teams get excluded. However, debates about who should be #4 get the whole CFB world riled up.

I think that the debates about who's #12 and who's #13 will be somewhere in between the arguments about basketball bubble teams and the debates about who should make the current 4 team football playoff. It'll get more traction than bubble team debates, but not as much traction as 4 team playoff arguments.

Once the football playoff inevitably expands to 24 or 32 teams, it'll be at the point where nobody except for the fans of the (allegedly) sleighted teams will care in about who's excluded.

To me, it is kind of weird that I need "defense" over the idea that Alabama - ALABAMA - is better than TCU or Michigan.

IMO, they obviously have better players and better coaches, and what else is there?

Performance on the field? Alabama played an SEC schedule and won all its games save for two at-the-buzzer losses to good SEC teams on the road. IMO that is better performance than going 12-1 or 13-0 vs B1G and Big 12 schedules. Is it really that controversial to assert that the SEC is the best league so wins there should count for more?

And then after what Alabama did to the Big 12 champ, a team that bested TCU in Dallas, a TCU team that dumped Michigan?

I bet that if Alabama was playing TCU or Michigan this week, they'd be at least a TD favorite over both.

And yet I keep getting told stuff like "Alabama's best win was over Texas, while TCU's was over Kansas State and Michigan's was over Ohio State and Alabama lost two games", stuff that IMO does nothing to detract from the IMO obviousness that Alabama is better and that if they played next week just about all of us would expect Alabama to win.

Oh well.

(01-01-2023 07:58 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Massey Composite has always been quo’s go-to source. He has argued many times that Massey Composite is the best because it’s an aggregate of computers as opposed to just one computer.

Alabama is #5 in Massey Composite.

That's very true. I love the MC and IMO it is the best source.

But it isn't perfect. And IMO this is one time where it isn't/wasn't.

“Who does Number 2 work for?”

12 team playoff couldn’t come soon enough. But the committee got the right 4 teams this year. SOS isn’t based on perception of the SEC or undervalued perceptions of the BigXII or BigTen. *And this is why a 4 team playoff is inadequate. 12 is much better because it would be silly complaining about who’s #12.

Two undefeated and two 1-loss teams, with SOS ratings per many computer ratings, as strong as Alabama’s SOS rating = Alabama, with 2 losses, does not make this years 4 team playoff…sorry. You got all your money and got to play in a NYD Bowl so I’m not sure why people are crying and moaning about Bama.

(01-01-2023 08:31 PM)Crayton Wrote:  And will likely be #1 if Georgia loses by a bit. Sagarin’s is a power ranking and lists most likely to win on a neutral field. Don’t have a problem with saying Alabama is the #2 best team in the country. Postseason play, however, is based on winning the games. Georgia or TCU will have won the ones that count. Alabama did not.

About the bolded, IMO Alabama is probably the #2 best team, after Georgia. Coaching and talent exceed anyone but Georgia. I say probably because Ohio State has similar talent, it might be Ohio State. But IMO Alabama is no worse then #2/#3, and with a month of preparation I would favor them to beat anyone in a playoff game save for Georgia.

Just MO.

The very idea of ranking teams is already absurd on its face. Team A could be better than Team B, and Team C could be better than Team A, and Team B could be better than Team C. Some teams' strengths and weaknesses just match up better against some teams than they do against others.

I have no problem saying that Alabama is one of the five best teams in the country, but I can't narrow it down any further than that. And clearly, neither can Sagarin, or Massey or anyone else. What I am confident in saying is that it would be extremely rare if a team outside the top 8 were capable of winning a three round single elimination FBS tournament.

In my mind, expanding the CFP beyond 12 makes no sense if the goal is to produce a worthy national champion.