(06-05-2023 03:00 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 02:45 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 02:24 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...and although I have NO info regarding this, I would NOT be surprised to see Stanford and Cal in the B1G sooner than later, as the B1G just isn't going to have two members 'isloated', and will add more - UO,Udub,Stan, and Cal just seems like a done deal, and if the current CU + whoever else to the XII actually occurs, the B1G will be next on the action list, and I think it will be a pretty quick strike...

...remember, UO and Udub are already 'vetted and petted', or 'tagged and bagged', or whatever, by the B1G...

The B1G turned down the UCBOR's request to have them tag along with UCLA back in December. Neither UW or UO want to join the B1G at reduced shares and multiple B1G presidents have said that they don't want further western expansion until they see how USCLA goes. If any of those schools, save for Stanford, had a viable invitation to the B1G they would have left already. Right now it doesn't look like the B1G will expand again until 2030. Now, if the ACC GOR somehow is terminated, expansion may happen sooner, but I would put Notre Dame at the top of the B1G's list with UNC and Virginia in second. Today an SEC official said they have no current plans to expand because they got two of the biggest in collegiate sports, Texas and Oklahoma. If all the SEC does is take Clemson and FSU (which I have heard the only schools outside of Notre Dame they feel adds to their conference), then I don't see the B1G adding more than two either. Notre Dame and who then? Do they take Washington for an extra Pacific time zone football game every other week?

...and the fact that UO and USC aren't exchanging presents on any given holiday is of interest - I know that USC wanted to block UO from the B1G, but not sure how that will float in the overall shape of things... Remember when A&M was leaving the BigXII to shed themselves from Bevo? (sorry bryanw1995 )

I agree there will be a lot of things which have to happen before more to the B1G, but if somehow all of the 4C schools decide on the BigXII, it may be 'red alert' for everyone at that point, and things could be 'fast tracked' for the remaining schools.

...as to the PAC staying put, it is really in the best interest of SDSU, as well as my Blazers, as if 2 or more jump, at last one AAC team (not named UAB) will be tapped for PAC replenishment - I think y'all (SDSU) are in the PAC regardless, as long as it doesn't truly implode, and then you may well end up in the BigXII with all the 4C schools anyway...

Don't see any of the 4C schools jumping as long as UW or UO remain. Lets say CU decides to because Deion really runs the place, and that they convince Zona to go. PAC replaces CU with CSU - academically both are very good schools with large research budgets and Zona is replaced by a TX school (Rice has been mentioned) or even Tulane. Perhaps Hawaii/Gonzaga gets a look then. People mention UNLV but I'd prefer UTSA over them given location and potential. Zona is in Tucson, not a huge market. ASU is the prize in Arizona.

Not gonna start dancing on the PAC's grave just quite yet until I see the Colorado BOR schedule a public session.

(06-05-2023 03:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  Prime might be able to get Texas recruits, sure, but he can recruit anywhere IMO. That said, Colorado's heyday was made by recruiting athletes out of California. There is a 30 for 30 on it. Some of you that want them so bad need to do your homework.

Yeah, where did Rashaad Salaam come from? Seems San Diego has had 4 Heisman winners come out of here. If the PAC adds SMU that gives them a footprint in TX but the B12 won't have a footprint in SoCal unless they grab SDSU as well. Losing all of California would kill the PAC and they know that.

If it’s just CU moving, I think BY needs to go USF for 14. The AAU and the market is a better package than Memphis or UConn all-sports. I’ve changed my mind on USF vs Memphis, but would like to see it decided on the field in some alternate fantasy world.

(06-05-2023 03:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  ... the B12 won't have a footprint in SoCal unless they grab SDSU as well. Losing all of California would kill the PAC and they know that.

A boss "dagger" move by the BXII would be get SDSU on-board and take SoCal away from the PAC.

The actual vote will be a fait accompli, if and when it happens. This meeting is more likely the informal approval to change conferences should they desire, as well as clarification of the process steps required to make such a move while conforming to the rules and regulations the University must follow.

Colorado's formal vote in 2010 actually came in July, after they announced. But more commonly announcements happen right after a brief formal vote after all the legal paperwork have been received, reviewed already by legal and determined to match the agreement, including any amendments requested.

What has changed from April 27th? Two things come to mind. First Fox seems to be on board with adding Colorado at the pro rata rate, meaning a full share is there (ESPN is already contractually obligated and approved). Second, Kliavkoff has had almost six weeks to present and hasn't; Colorado now has a much deeper understanding of the media market for a Pac-12 contract, so their is diminished need to wait. A third possibility, all the parties needed to sign off on a move have been aligned (donors, institutional leaders, athletic department, et al). We are also at the point where we are barely a year out from a move, and if its going to happen, it has to happen now.

Still "Wednesday" is a hilarious typo.

(06-05-2023 03:20 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 03:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  ... the B12 won't have a footprint in SoCal unless they grab SDSU as well. Losing all of California would kill the PAC and they know that.

A boss "dagger" move by the BXII would be get SDSU on-board and take SoCal away from the PAC.

And the PAC knows that. Getting SMU in the PAC is not nearly that kind of kill shot. It would lock the PAC out of all of SoCal.

(06-05-2023 03:25 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 03:20 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 03:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  ... the B12 won't have a footprint in SoCal unless they grab SDSU as well. Losing all of California would kill the PAC and they know that.

A boss "dagger" move by the BXII would be get SDSU on-board and take SoCal away from the PAC.

And the PAC knows that. Getting SMU in the PAC is not nearly that kind of kill shot. It would lock the PAC out of all of SoCal.

SMU is a Daisy BB-vs-battleship in comparison.

(06-05-2023 03:24 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The actual vote will be a fait accompli, if and when it happens.

Correct. I've spent enough time in a board room to know on matters like this the exec session is where the knock-down-drag-out in-fighting is done. When the time comes the public vote is "unanimous" as a public sign of solidarity.

(06-05-2023 03:25 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 03:20 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 03:17 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  ... the B12 won't have a footprint in SoCal unless they grab SDSU as well. Losing all of California would kill the PAC and they know that.

A boss "dagger" move by the BXII would be get SDSU on-board and take SoCal away from the PAC.

And the PAC knows that. Getting SMU in the PAC is not nearly that kind of kill shot. It would lock the PAC out of all of SoCal.

We are looking at well past this week and into next month to finalize all the movement this summer. There will be no PAC deal in the meantime because how can there be? Your school will go past its exit fee deadline. So who needs to lock who and what again? SDSU is a distant fifth behind all the other 4C. The issue you have is Zaga. They’d be cheap and you can easily work them into Olympic sports. With SDSU, they literally have to hope one of the 4C blunders so badly that they get jumped, or a 4C school gambles on a B1G invite. ASU is the obvious one, but it can easily be Utah or even Zona still. That just seems way too far fetched to work.

Yormark is not going to 18 full members this cycle unless UO is involved.

(06-05-2023 03:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  If it’s just CU moving, I think BY needs to go USF for 14. The AAU and the market is a better package than Memphis or UConn all-sports. I’ve changed my mind on USF vs Memphis, but would like to see it decided on the field in some alternate fantasy world.

If BY gets Colorado, he's going to be gunning for much more than USF.

If CU jumps very soon, would SDSU accept a Big XII invitation? Before 7/1. "A bird in the hand ..."

I'm wondering if CU announces to the Big XII, but others from the PAC don't immediately (well ... by the next Tuesday), then landing SDSU takes one of the 4C slots away. Thus there'd be a mad scramble for the two remaining chairs.

(06-05-2023 03:54 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  If CU jumps very soon, would SDSU accept a Big XII invitation? Before 7/1. "A bird in the hand ..."

I'm wondering if CU announces to the Big XII, but others from the PAC don't immediately (well ... by the next Tuesday), then landing SDSU takes one of the 4C slots away. Thus there'd be a mad scramble for the two remaining chairs.

I don't think the Big 12 would need to invite SDSU to exert pressure on Utah, Arizona, and Arizona. The pressure at that point would be overwhelming because if Colorado actually leaves it signifies that the PAC TV deal projections are utter crap which we've long speculated.

(06-05-2023 03:54 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  If CU jumps very soon, would SDSU accept a Big XII invitation? Before 7/1. "A bird in the hand ..."

I'm wondering if CU announces to the Big XII, but others from the PAC don't immediately (well ... by the next Tuesday), then landing SDSU takes one of the 4C slots away. Thus there'd be a mad scramble for the two remaining chairs.

Interesting theory:
- use CU to start the avalanche
- grab SDSU next
- take bids on remaining chairs while listening to sound of PAC's sucking chest wound

(06-05-2023 03:46 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 03:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  If it’s just CU moving, I think BY needs to go USF for 14. The AAU and the market is a better package than Memphis or UConn all-sports. I’ve changed my mind on USF vs Memphis, but would like to see it decided on the field in some alternate fantasy world.

If BY gets Colorado, he's going to be gunning for much more than USF.

Besides the BBall schools, yes, he wants PAC schools, but in the miracle scenario GK is able to add SDSU and get a GoR, then I do believe we’ll see some traction on USF, Memphis, and UConn as a full member. I do think he lands 4C and calls it a day. I think the ACC could bring Yormark in as Commissioner to steer that ship around because BY would have nothing left to accomplish in the Big 12. Otherwise, another bigger job would await.

(06-05-2023 03:24 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The actual vote will be a fait accompli, if and when it happens. This meeting is more likely the informal approval to change conferences should they desire, as well as clarification of the process steps required to make such a move while conforming to the rules and regulations the University must follow.

Colorado's formal vote in 2010 actually came in July, after they announced. But more commonly announcements happen right after a brief formal vote after all the legal paperwork have been received, reviewed already by legal and determined to match the agreement, including any amendments requested.

What has changed from April 27th? Two things come to mind. First Fox seems to be on board with adding Colorado at the pro rata rate, meaning a full share is there (ESPN is already contractually obligated and approved). Second, Kliavkoff has had almost six weeks to present and hasn't; Colorado now has a much deeper understanding of the media market for a Pac-12 contract, so their is diminished need to wait. A third possibility, all the parties needed to sign off on a move have been aligned (donors, institutional leaders, athletic department, et al). We are also at the point where we are barely a year out from a move, and if its going to happen, it has to happen now.

Still "Wednesday" is a hilarious typo.

Kind looks like Yormark

(06-05-2023 03:59 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 03:54 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  If CU jumps very soon, would SDSU accept a Big XII invitation? Before 7/1. "A bird in the hand ..."

I'm wondering if CU announces to the Big XII, but others from the PAC don't immediately (well ... by the next Tuesday), then landing SDSU takes one of the 4C slots away. Thus there'd be a mad scramble for the two remaining chairs.

Interesting theory:
- use CU to start the avalanche
- grab SDSU next
- take bids on remaining chairs while listening to sound of PAC's sucking chest wound

It’s too risky, even for Yormark. SDSU wouldn’t get full shares either way and that negotiation will take some time. Any of the 4C schools could jump them in the meantime. I also think either Utah or ASU will be fine, as they could join Stanford in the B1G as the 20th school. That’s not far fetched especially when considering scenarios like the Big 12 poaching SDSU later this month.

(06-05-2023 03:46 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 03:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  If it’s just CU moving, I think BY needs to go USF for 14. The AAU and the market is a better package than Memphis or UConn all-sports. I’ve changed my mind on USF vs Memphis, but would like to see it decided on the field in some alternate fantasy world.

If BY gets Colorado, he's going to be gunning for much more than USF.

Exactly, AAU means little to the B12 (there's only one in the conference). What is important is the best combination of market and football success. USF has a total of one FBS victory in the last 3 years.! With UT/OU leaving it's important for the conference to keep it's place at the table by bringing in strong football programs - even if the rest of the 4C don't make the move Memphis is the clear choice. But you're right, I think if Colorado moves then the rest of the 4C will follow.

(06-05-2023 02:39 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 02:25 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  ... it listed the top 10 states, but no details. Besides CO, the top 5 were 1. Cali, 2. Illinois, 3. Texas, 4. New Jersey, 5. New York. ...

So, 5 of the top 6 are CO or to the east.

All 5 listed above are the highest population states, except FL, IIARC.

If you expand it further with the 2nd link, it's 9 of 11 with Washington state #8 (not counting CO)

(06-05-2023 04:22 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 03:46 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 03:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  If it’s just CU moving, I think BY needs to go USF for 14. The AAU and the market is a better package than Memphis or UConn all-sports. I’ve changed my mind on USF vs Memphis, but would like to see it decided on the field in some alternate fantasy world.

If BY gets Colorado, he's going to be gunning for much more than USF.

Exactly, AAU means little to the B12 (there's only one in the conference). What is important is the best combination of market and football success. USF has a total of one FBS victory in the last 3 years.! With UT/OU leaving it's important for the conference to keep it's place at the table by bringing in strong football programs - even if the rest of the 4C don't make the move Memphis is the clear choice. But you're right, I think if Colorado moves then the rest of the 4C will follow.

The thing is, locking down FLA and preventing the ACC from backfilling in Florida once Miami and FSU leave is the only viable play to be a preeminent coast to coast conference. This will help them lure schools like Pitt and UL, who are more valuable than Memphis. Perhaps even GaTech/VaTech/NCSU will be available and will actively seek a conference attached to Florida. I’d rather keep USF out of the ACCs hands than SDSU out of the PACs hands longer term. However, the priority for now is to snatch 4C schools.