(10-15-2023 08:18 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  There interest is mutual. It’s more about the back log of games that they would have to negotiate or buy out to get to only 4 OOC games a year. I saw a figure that is was around $35million.

Yup. I think thats the problem. It only took Navy a couple of years to clear enough of their schedule so that they could join---but Navy had more lead time than Army would have. It may be that Army would require a a substantially longer period than just 2 years before they could join in a way that is financially feasible. I think the AAC would be better off waiting for Army than going with someone else. The only team that has perhaps more upside for the conference might be Liberty----but they come with a lot of baggage I dont think the presidents would want to deal with.

RUMOR DEBUNKED: High ranking source familiar with the American confirmed that NO member would be leaving to join a newly formed PAC 2 PLUS. Also sources with both Oregon State and Washington State confirm their hopes once the lawsuit is over to join either the ACC or the big 12


https://x.com/jwmediadc/status/171360323...OBPKLg0WDw

(10-15-2023 02:11 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  RUMOR DEBUNKED: High ranking source familiar with the American confirmed that NO member would be leaving to join a newly formed PAC 2 PLUS. Also sources with both Oregon State and Washington State confirm their hopes once the lawsuit is over to join either the ACC or the big 12


https://x.com/jwmediadc/status/171360323...OBPKLg0WDw

The priority of the PAC2 was always to join another P-5 conference. Wanting is not the same as getting, but I wish them luck. A more likely scenario is merging with the MWC in a way retaining the PAC2's funds and P-5 status (at least for a bit).

In The Daily Memphian today, Aresco said a westward move means travel would be too taxing for the "kids" and insufficient revenue exists to absorb travel costs for Olympic and BB sports . https://dailymemphian.com/subscriber/sec...ike-aresco

I still hold hope for a "best of the rest" conference. From a performance perspective it would be a true P-6 in some years according to metrics.

Best of the rest isn't happening. I've been saying from day one that there isn't enough juice to warrant the squeeze.

(10-15-2023 02:01 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 01:55 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 05:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Looks like Army to AAC is on the rocks.

"We’ve had some talks with them (Army),” he (Aresco) said. “I don’t know what’s ultimately gonna happen. If we were to invite them, they would have to make some decisions. But it hasn’t reached that point yet. And I don’t know if it will.”

Aresco was cagey about who will replace SMU. He has received " a lot of calls" from schools wanting an invite.

“Football drives it,” Aresco said. “And football’s why certain schools can invest, certain schools can’t. The one thing in our conference is that you’ve gotta be able to invest to a certain level, because we really do wanna be right there with the (Power 5 conferences)." It is impossible to catch up to the P-5 investments. The gap is vast and widens each year.

https://dailymemphian.com/subscriber/sec...ike-aresco

I sense another disastrous addition. I would rather sit tight than further dilute the AAC's competitive strength.

I don't think Aresco will tip his hand. Army wants in or the negotiations never would have been made public. Can Army rearrange their future schedules? I think that is the hurdle that is still being addressed.

And should Army not happen, I highly doubt there is enough consensus to add anyone. There just is no value or cultural fit available at the moment.

There are better performing schools presently available than the present members. Adding a better performing school would increase the net performance of the AAC. The issue is whether ESPN will sufficintly pay for the move.

Better than present members including Tulsa, temple, ECU and south Florida? Or are you going to still ignore results like Fau 56-14 over USF and beating Tulsa too?

Most of the AAC teams left aren't out of the league of the newcomers

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(10-15-2023 02:50 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 02:01 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 01:55 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 05:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Looks like Army to AAC is on the rocks.

"We’ve had some talks with them (Army),” he (Aresco) said. “I don’t know what’s ultimately gonna happen. If we were to invite them, they would have to make some decisions. But it hasn’t reached that point yet. And I don’t know if it will.”

Aresco was cagey about who will replace SMU. He has received " a lot of calls" from schools wanting an invite.

“Football drives it,” Aresco said. “And football’s why certain schools can invest, certain schools can’t. The one thing in our conference is that you’ve gotta be able to invest to a certain level, because we really do wanna be right there with the (Power 5 conferences)." It is impossible to catch up to the P-5 investments. The gap is vast and widens each year.

https://dailymemphian.com/subscriber/sec...ike-aresco

I sense another disastrous addition. I would rather sit tight than further dilute the AAC's competitive strength.

I don't think Aresco will tip his hand. Army wants in or the negotiations never would have been made public. Can Army rearrange their future schedules? I think that is the hurdle that is still being addressed.

And should Army not happen, I highly doubt there is enough consensus to add anyone. There just is no value or cultural fit available at the moment.

There are better performing schools presently available than the present members. Adding a better performing school would increase the net performance of the AAC. The issue is whether ESPN will sufficintly pay for the move.

Better than present members including Tulsa, temple, ECU and south Florida? Or are you going to still ignore results like Fau 56-14 over USF and beating Tulsa too?

Most of the AAC teams left aren't out of the league of the newcomers

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The numbers don't lie. In this week's games, new members were 2-1 against legacy members.

(10-15-2023 07:44 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Muh market add coming

Probably GA state

Not

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(10-15-2023 07:44 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Muh market add coming

Probably GA state

Didn't they already say no? Probably a definite no now that they're 5-1 in the belt.

(10-15-2023 02:50 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 02:01 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 01:55 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 05:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Looks like Army to AAC is on the rocks.

"We’ve had some talks with them (Army),” he (Aresco) said. “I don’t know what’s ultimately gonna happen. If we were to invite them, they would have to make some decisions. But it hasn’t reached that point yet. And I don’t know if it will.”

Aresco was cagey about who will replace SMU. He has received " a lot of calls" from schools wanting an invite.

“Football drives it,” Aresco said. “And football’s why certain schools can invest, certain schools can’t. The one thing in our conference is that you’ve gotta be able to invest to a certain level, because we really do wanna be right there with the (Power 5 conferences)." It is impossible to catch up to the P-5 investments. The gap is vast and widens each year.

https://dailymemphian.com/subscriber/sec...ike-aresco

I sense another disastrous addition. I would rather sit tight than further dilute the AAC's competitive strength.

I don't think Aresco will tip his hand. Army wants in or the negotiations never would have been made public. Can Army rearrange their future schedules? I think that is the hurdle that is still being addressed.

And should Army not happen, I highly doubt there is enough consensus to add anyone. There just is no value or cultural fit available at the moment.

There are better performing schools presently available than the present members. Adding a better performing school would increase the net performance of the AAC. The issue is whether ESPN will sufficintly pay for the move.

Better than present members including Tulsa, temple, ECU and south Florida? Or are you going to still ignore results like Fau 56-14 over USF and beating Tulsa too?

Most of the AAC teams left aren't out of the league of the newcomers

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Beating legacy schools only makes the former CUSA6 spoilers - the worst possible outcome. What is needed for enhancing the AAC's profile and help Tulane represent the AAC in the NY6 is out of conference wins - particular against other G-5 schools. The former CUSA6 have failed miserably.

AAC's record against other G-5's (2019 through 2023 to date)
Charlotte (2-6)
ECU (5-4)
FAU (4-5)
Memphis (10-1)
Navy (5-7) (Navy has at least 2 more G-5 games this season)
North Texas (1-12)
Rice (2-5)
SMU (8-2)
Temple (3-1)
Tulane (9-3)
Tulsa (6-1)
UAB (8-6)
USF (1-3). (USF has at least 1 more G-5 game this season)
UTSA (5-7)

Legacy winning percentage: 68.1%
Former CUSA6 winning percentage: 35.0%

2023 G-5 to date (keeping in mind Navy and USF have games remaining):
Charlotte (0-1)
ECU (0-2)
FAU (0-1)
Memphis (2-0)
Navy (0-0)
North Texas (1-1)
Rice (1-1)
SMU (1-0)
Temple (1-0)
Tulane (2-0)
Tulsa (1-0)
UAB (0-2)
USF (0-1)
UTSA (1-2)

Legacy winning percentage:70.0%
Former CUSA6 winning percentage: 27.3%


Furthermore, the top schools are still AAC legacy schools and it is not close.

Per Massey Composite (38 sources as of this writing)
Tulane (28)
Memphis (49)
SMU (50)
FAU (86)
Tulsa (90)
UTSA (91)
Navy (98)
Rice (104)
UAB (107)
USF (112)
North Tx (118)
ECU (120)
Charlotte (125)
Temple (126)

Legacy Ave: 84.1
Former CUSA6 Ave: 105.2

(10-15-2023 02:42 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Best of the rest isn't happening. I've been saying from day one that there isn't enough juice to warrant the squeeze.

The "best of the rest" is a moving target in potential realignment. Programs in other non-autonomous conferences are generally more susceptible to wild swings in success, because their coaches and staffs are more transient. They just can't afford to protect their assets from other more affluent conferences, including the AAC. I know UNT takes players and coaches from Sun Belt programs. We can pay more. It's simple math.

Currently, San Diego State, Boise State, App State, & Coastal Carolina are all in decline. Unless you have an invitation to the ACC, the best course of action for our programs is to continue our commitment to building the AAC, and it will continue being the "best of the rest".

(10-15-2023 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 02:50 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 02:01 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 01:55 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 05:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Looks like Army to AAC is on the rocks.

"We’ve had some talks with them (Army),” he (Aresco) said. “I don’t know what’s ultimately gonna happen. If we were to invite them, they would have to make some decisions. But it hasn’t reached that point yet. And I don’t know if it will.”

Aresco was cagey about who will replace SMU. He has received " a lot of calls" from schools wanting an invite.

“Football drives it,” Aresco said. “And football’s why certain schools can invest, certain schools can’t. The one thing in our conference is that you’ve gotta be able to invest to a certain level, because we really do wanna be right there with the (Power 5 conferences)." It is impossible to catch up to the P-5 investments. The gap is vast and widens each year.

https://dailymemphian.com/subscriber/sec...ike-aresco

I sense another disastrous addition. I would rather sit tight than further dilute the AAC's competitive strength.

I don't think Aresco will tip his hand. Army wants in or the negotiations never would have been made public. Can Army rearrange their future schedules? I think that is the hurdle that is still being addressed.

And should Army not happen, I highly doubt there is enough consensus to add anyone. There just is no value or cultural fit available at the moment.

There are better performing schools presently available than the present members. Adding a better performing school would increase the net performance of the AAC. The issue is whether ESPN will sufficintly pay for the move.

Better than present members including Tulsa, temple, ECU and south Florida? Or are you going to still ignore results like Fau 56-14 over USF and beating Tulsa too?

Most of the AAC teams left aren't out of the league of the newcomers

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The numbers don't lie. In this week's games, new members were 2-1 against legacy members.

You imply the former CUSA6 deserve belonging in the AAC because of a winning record this week. Fine. Will the former CUSA6 voluntarily withdraw at the end of the season if they earn an overall losing record against the legacy schools? The numbers do not lie, right?

(10-15-2023 03:23 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 02:42 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Best of the rest isn't happening. I've been saying from day one that there isn't enough juice to warrant the squeeze.

The "best of the rest" is a moving target in potential realignment. Programs in other non-autonomous conferences are generally more susceptible to wild swings in success, because their coaches and staffs are more transient. They just can't afford to protect their assets from other more affluent conferences, including the AAC. I know UNT takes players and coaches from Sun Belt programs. We can pay more. It's simple math.

Currently, San Diego State, Boise State, App State, & Coastal Carolina are all in decline. Unless you have an invitation to the ACC, the best course of action for our programs is to continue our commitment to building the AAC, and it will continue being the "best of the rest".

I understand what you're saying in spirit, but most people will agree that "best of the rest" in this context involves the PAC rebuilding by poaching the top programs from the MWC and AAC. I also agree that in general, "non-power" programs have less consistency compared to the top "power" programs, but it would be unfair to deny that the premier "non-power" programs have a significantly better tradition of excellence compared to their peers.

(10-15-2023 02:42 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Best of the rest isn't happening. I've been saying from day one that there isn't enough juice to warrant the squeeze.

I agree the odds are long, but I have a hard time letting go because it would be a strong conference aiding strength of schedule and attendance and placing a hammerlock on the CFP slot.

(10-15-2023 03:29 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 02:50 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 02:01 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 01:55 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I don't think Aresco will tip his hand. Army wants in or the negotiations never would have been made public. Can Army rearrange their future schedules? I think that is the hurdle that is still being addressed.

And should Army not happen, I highly doubt there is enough consensus to add anyone. There just is no value or cultural fit available at the moment.

There are better performing schools presently available than the present members. Adding a better performing school would increase the net performance of the AAC. The issue is whether ESPN will sufficintly pay for the move.

Better than present members including Tulsa, temple, ECU and south Florida? Or are you going to still ignore results like Fau 56-14 over USF and beating Tulsa too?

Most of the AAC teams left aren't out of the league of the newcomers

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The numbers don't lie. In this week's games, new members were 2-1 against legacy members.

You imply the former CUSA6 deserve belonging in the AAC because of a winning record this week. Fine. Will the former CUSA6 voluntarily withdraw at the end of the season if they earn an overall losing record against the legacy schools? The numbers do not lie, right?

I'm saying the new members are competing with the legacy members. This week's numbers prove it.

Look, I know you're unhappy that Memphis got left behind again, and you now have some new members breathing down your neck in the conference play, but it is what it is. Iron sharpens iron. As a conference, we will be better in the long run.

(10-15-2023 03:45 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 03:29 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 03:06 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 02:50 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 02:01 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  There are better performing schools presently available than the present members. Adding a better performing school would increase the net performance of the AAC. The issue is whether ESPN will sufficintly pay for the move.

Better than present members including Tulsa, temple, ECU and south Florida? Or are you going to still ignore results like Fau 56-14 over USF and beating Tulsa too?

Most of the AAC teams left aren't out of the league of the newcomers

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The numbers don't lie. In this week's games, new members were 2-1 against legacy members.

You imply the former CUSA6 deserve belonging in the AAC because of a winning record this week. Fine. Will the former CUSA6 voluntarily withdraw at the end of the season if they earn an overall losing record against the legacy schools? The numbers do not lie, right?

I'm saying the new members are competing with the legacy members. This week's numbers prove it.

Look, I know you're unhappy that Memphis got left behind again, and you now have some new members breathing down your neck in the conference play, but it is what it is. Iron sharpens iron. As a conference, we will be better in the long run.

I have come to accept Memphis is on its own. We are in the old CUSA. We can expect little help from the present AAC to drum up attendance and improve strength of schedule. It is a Memphis problem which must be overcome with redoubled effort.

Believe it or not, I tire of continually proving the obvious weakness of the former CUSA6 and its detrimental impact on the AAC. Henceforth, I resolve to better stay my pen and let fantasy take flight.

(10-15-2023 03:37 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 03:23 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 02:42 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Best of the rest isn't happening. I've been saying from day one that there isn't enough juice to warrant the squeeze.

The "best of the rest" is a moving target in potential realignment. Programs in other non-autonomous conferences are generally more susceptible to wild swings in success, because their coaches and staffs are more transient. They just can't afford to protect their assets from other more affluent conferences, including the AAC. I know UNT takes players and coaches from Sun Belt programs. We can pay more. It's simple math.

Currently, San Diego State, Boise State, App State, & Coastal Carolina are all in decline. Unless you have an invitation to the ACC, the best course of action for our programs is to continue our commitment to building the AAC, and it will continue being the "best of the rest".

I understand what you're saying in spirit, but most people will agree that "best of the rest" in this context involves the PAC rebuilding by poaching the top programs from the MWC and AAC. I also agree that in general, "non-power" programs have less consistency compared to the top "power" programs, but it would be unfair to deny that the premier "non-power" programs have a significantly better tradition of excellence compared to their peers.

That is true, but that doesn't appear to be having as much sway as it has in the past. NIL, collectives, and the portal all put a premium on your ability to acquire assets and protect assets. A long history of winning at the non-autonomous level doesn't seem to mean much when there is more money to be made elsewhere. The dynamics of FBS football are changing, and fast. But, I do believe the strengths of the AAC (budgets, locations, & academics) place this conference squarely ahead of all the other non-autonomous conferences moving forward.

(10-15-2023 04:02 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  That is true, but that doesn't appear to be having as much sway as it has in the past. NIL, collectives, and the portal all put a premium on your ability to acquire assets and protect assets. A long history of winning at the non-autonomous level doesn't seem to mean much when there is more money to be made elsewhere. The dynamics of FBS football are changing, and fast. But, I do believe the strengths of the AAC (budgets, locations, & academics) place this conference squarely ahead of all the other non-autonomous conferences moving forward.

For us, NIL has certainly been a broader challenge when it comes to football, considering the long basketball history and tradition of winning in Memphis. No matter what some fans think, Memphis is first and foremost a basketball town. It's no accident that we have an NBA franchise and not the NFL. Irrespective, don't make the mistake of not realizing that from a budgetary standpoint, Memphis is still near the top of the heap in relation to other "non-power" schools and will likely remain so.

Ultimately, if you can't be in a "power" conference, the AAC is a great place to be. I'm bullish on the noobs and feel that in time, we will regain our spot at the top. The conference to beat. Of course my heart goes to Memphis first, but I also have strong loyalties to our conference and expect great things once the new programs have time to settle in. May we all find great success here.

(10-15-2023 02:50 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 02:01 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 01:55 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 05:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Looks like Army to AAC is on the rocks.

"We’ve had some talks with them (Army),” he (Aresco) said. “I don’t know what’s ultimately gonna happen. If we were to invite them, they would have to make some decisions. But it hasn’t reached that point yet. And I don’t know if it will.”

Aresco was cagey about who will replace SMU. He has received " a lot of calls" from schools wanting an invite.

“Football drives it,” Aresco said. “And football’s why certain schools can invest, certain schools can’t. The one thing in our conference is that you’ve gotta be able to invest to a certain level, because we really do wanna be right there with the (Power 5 conferences)." It is impossible to catch up to the P-5 investments. The gap is vast and widens each year.

https://dailymemphian.com/subscriber/sec...ike-aresco

I sense another disastrous addition. I would rather sit tight than further dilute the AAC's competitive strength.

I don't think Aresco will tip his hand. Army wants in or the negotiations never would have been made public. Can Army rearrange their future schedules? I think that is the hurdle that is still being addressed.

And should Army not happen, I highly doubt there is enough consensus to add anyone. There just is no value or cultural fit available at the moment.

There are better performing schools presently available than the present members. Adding a better performing school would increase the net performance of the AAC. The issue is whether ESPN will sufficintly pay for the move.

Better than present members including Tulsa, temple, ECU and south Florida? Or are you going to still ignore results like Fau 56-14 over USF and beating Tulsa too?

Most of the AAC teams left aren't out of the league of the newcomers

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Beating us isn't an accomplishment, its just business

Eventually fsu and Clemson will leave the acc (with another 2-6 schools). It will be stable however with the additions of smu, Stanford and Cal. The acc will then backfill with 2-4 schools from the aac. Likely Tulane and Memphis, and potentially usf.

That’s the next step in conference realignment. We just don’t know if that happens this year next year or in 6 year.

The AAC somehow found a way to overcome the burden of incorporating The Former CUSA Doormat Memphis Tigers, and the rest of the original CUSA7. I have a feeling they can do it again.