(10-15-2023 09:02 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 01:56 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 08:07 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 05:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Looks like Army to AAC is on the rocks.

"We’ve had some talks with them (Army),” he (Aresco) said. “I don’t know what’s ultimately gonna happen. If we were to invite them, they would have to make some decisions. But it hasn’t reached that point yet. And I don’t know if it will.”

Aresco was cagey about who will replace SMU. He has received " a lot of calls" from schools wanting an invite.

“Football drives it,” Aresco said. “And football’s why certain schools can invest, certain schools can’t. The one thing in our conference is that you’ve gotta be able to invest to a certain level, because we really do wanna be right there with the (Power 5 conferences)." It is impossible to catch up to the P-5 investments. The gap is vast and widens each year.

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I sense another disastrous addition. I would rather sit tight than further dilute the AAC's competitive strength.

WUT?

An Army Snub of the AAC

AGAIN?

Who didn’t see that coming . . . .

Trolling hard today I see.....

. . . not really. I just find it fascinating that a conference so “Full of itself,” P6 crap, ya da, ya da, ya da is having soooo much trouble finding replacements for its dearly departed.

I mean, take y’all for example, and by y’all I mean the CUSA 6, or whatever you’re going by these days . . . . Hardly First Choice when it came time to “Backfill.”

If it’s truly such a Great Conference, why all the trouble finding replacements. Quite the conundrum.

Personally, I think if Army can’t/won’t come, y’all should stand pat. I’d think that the rejection would be starting to sting about now.

Ga. State might be an option . . . But then again . . . .

Why would I want to belong to a club that would have me as a member?

(10-15-2023 10:08 PM)old salt Wrote:  If you factor out the costs of buying out future scheduled games, what would be the revenue benefit for Army in joining the AAC ?
How much more tv revenue ?

Watching Navy struggle 5 of the past 6 years, they may be wary of their long term ability to compete in the AAC ?

I'm concerned for Navy, given the rule changes on cut blocking & the ability of AAC opponents to reload via the portal every season.

Like Navy, Army's struggling with their new offense this season & probably won't be bowl eligible with this year's tougher schedule.

Air Force is still benefiting from their Covid roster turnback year, & their offense seems to have adapted better to the rules changes. Calhoun's offense was never as pure T.O. as was Monken's & Navy's.

Wait & see might be the smart move for Army, right now.

Navy should go back to being independent.

(10-15-2023 10:34 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  Why would I want to belong to a club that would have me as a member?

Apologies to Groucho Marx...

(10-15-2023 10:18 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 04:52 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  The Former CUSA Doormat Memphis Tigers fan?

And I thought I liked you.

I was just having a bad day and overreacted.

My phone had been ringing all day with calls from pollsters.

And they were all from the 901 area code!

I really don’t get all the Aresco love from the AAC fanbase. Aside from negotiating the G5 spot in the NY6 (which I admit is huge) I just don’t see the positives. Based on ratings this conference was worth more $$$ than we were making. And he’s been out maneuvered in every majors round of realignment.

(10-16-2023 04:13 AM)PirateJP Wrote:  I really don’t get all the Aresco love from the AAC fanbase. Aside from negotiating the G5 spot in the NY6 (which I admit is huge) I just don’t see the positives. Based on ratings this conference was worth more $$$ than we were making. And he’s been out maneuvered in every majors round of realignment.

He hasn't been an amazing commissioner, but he hasn't been the worst either. At the very least, he was able to maintain the payouts for the legacy schools after losing three of the top programs.

For all of those saying he's been out maneuvered during every round of realignment, what exactly did you expect him to do? If one of the Power conferences came for any member of any G league, they would leave to be in the better conference....it doesn't matter how great the commissioner is. I think the one criticism that may be somewhat valid is that the conference added too many teams during this last round of realignment, maybe only 4 were needed. But if ESPN told him all 6 were needed to ensure none of the legacy teams lost money then he made the right call.

(10-16-2023 09:29 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 04:13 AM)PirateJP Wrote:  I really don’t get all the Aresco love from the AAC fanbase. Aside from negotiating the G5 spot in the NY6 (which I admit is huge) I just don’t see the positives. Based on ratings this conference was worth more $$$ than we were making. And he’s been out maneuvered in every majors round of realignment.

He hasn't been an amazing commissioner, but he hasn't been the worst either. At the very least, he was able to maintain the payouts for the legacy schools after losing three of the top programs.

He also single handedly secured the access bowl slot for the G5. And got us a big-visibility deal on ESPN, that ended up paying off huge for exposure, recruiting, etc. Smart moves.

Other than these things... the simple fact is that realignment is under the TOTAL control of the 'upper' of the conferences in any potential shift. Like there is anything ANY conference can do to stop a member from leaving...

(10-16-2023 04:13 AM)PirateJP Wrote:  I really don’t get all the Aresco love from the AAC fanbase. Aside from negotiating the G5 spot in the NY6 (which I admit is huge) I just don’t see the positives. Based on ratings this conference was worth more $$$ than we were making. And he’s been out maneuvered in every majors round of realignment.

Take a spin around the Sun with Judy.

(10-15-2023 06:25 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 06:22 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  I enjoyed your post Rice fan.

Misery enjoys company.

Yes we are miserable

(10-16-2023 12:15 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 06:25 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 06:22 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  I enjoyed your post Rice fan.

Misery enjoys company.

Yes we are miserable

First season in a new conference is always tough.

(10-15-2023 10:08 PM)old salt Wrote:  If you factor out the costs of buying out future scheduled games, what would be the revenue benefit for Army in joining the AAC ?
How much more tv revenue ?

Watching Navy struggle 5 of the past 6 years, they may be wary of their long term ability to compete in the AAC ?

I'm concerned for Navy, given the rule changes on cut blocking & the ability of AAC opponents to reload via the portal every season.

Like Navy, Army's struggling with their new offense this season & probably won't be bowl eligible with this year's tougher schedule.

Air Force is still benefiting from their Covid roster turnback year, & their offense seems to have adapted better to the rules changes. Calhoun's offense was never as pure T.O. as was Monken's & Navy's.

Wait & see might be the smart move for Army, right now.

Man that's a great post. You just got three points. Post more often.

I didn't know that Calhoun's system was different from Army and Navy's.

As for being competitive in The American, I think it's likely that Army and Navy do well against the remaining membership. Your offense and discipline levels the playing field. I hate the rule change on cut blocking. It's an attempt to make the Triple Option disappear IMO.

(10-16-2023 12:22 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:15 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 06:25 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 06:22 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  I enjoyed your post Rice fan.

Misery enjoys company.

Yes we are miserable

First season in a new conference is always tough.

Thanks man. At least we'll finally get a new coach out of it.

(10-15-2023 10:45 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  If you factor out the costs of buying out future scheduled games, what would be the revenue benefit for Army in joining the AAC ?
How much more tv revenue ?

Watching Navy struggle 5 of the past 6 years, they may be wary of their long term ability to compete in the AAC ?

I'm concerned for Navy, given the rule changes on cut blocking & the ability of AAC opponents to reload via the portal every season.

I don’t blame Army or Navy or anybody else for studying the $$$ before making a move like this.

But from a competitive standpoint, I would just remind that Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and SMU are gone or about to be gone. About 1/2 of C-USA has joined in their place. If Army/Navy can’t hang with that, what are they doing FBS?

(10-16-2023 12:52 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  But from a competitive standpoint, I would just remind that Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and SMU are gone or about to be gone. About 1/2 of C-USA has joined in their place. If Army/Navy can’t hang with that, what are they doing FBS?

You can't base things on the past. The increased exposure, revenue, and prestige of the conference (among other factors) will likely help to grow and elevate the programs that want to succeed.

(10-16-2023 01:10 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:52 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  But from a competitive standpoint, I would just remind that Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and SMU are gone or about to be gone. About 1/2 of C-USA has joined in their place. If Army/Navy can’t hang with that, what are they doing FBS?

You can't base things on the past. The increased exposure, revenue, and prestige of the conference (among other factors) will likely help to grow and elevate the programs that want to succeed.

Okay, sure. But that still leaves unanswered the basic question: if AAC 2.0 is just too intense, what competitive level are they seeking? A hybrid of the MAC and UConn/UMass? Or… what, exactly?

(10-16-2023 01:30 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Okay, sure. But that still leaves unanswered the basic question: if AAC 2.0 is just too intense, what competitive level are they seeking? A hybrid of the MAC and UConn/UMass? Or… what, exactly?

I can't answer that. What I can say is that the portal and NIL will introduce challenges that they will have to adapt to. How they address this is anyone's guess.

(10-15-2023 09:02 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 01:56 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 08:07 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 05:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Looks like Army to AAC is on the rocks.

"We’ve had some talks with them (Army),” he (Aresco) said. “I don’t know what’s ultimately gonna happen. If we were to invite them, they would have to make some decisions. But it hasn’t reached that point yet. And I don’t know if it will.”

Aresco was cagey about who will replace SMU. He has received " a lot of calls" from schools wanting an invite.

“Football drives it,” Aresco said. “And football’s why certain schools can invest, certain schools can’t. The one thing in our conference is that you’ve gotta be able to invest to a certain level, because we really do wanna be right there with the (Power 5 conferences)." It is impossible to catch up to the P-5 investments. The gap is vast and widens each year.

https://dailymemphian.com/subscriber/sec...ike-aresco

I sense another disastrous addition. I would rather sit tight than further dilute the AAC's competitive strength.

WUT?

An Army Snub of the AAC

AGAIN?

Who didn’t see that coming . . . .

Trolling hard today I see.....

. . . not really. I just find it fascinating that a conference so “Full of itself,” P6 crap, ya da, ya da, ya da is having soooo much trouble finding replacements for its dearly departed.

I mean, take y’all for example, and by y’all I mean the CUSA 6, or whatever you’re going by these days . . . . Hardly First Choice when it came time to “Backfill.”

If it’s truly such a Great Conference, why all the trouble finding replacements. Quite the conundrum.

Personally, I think if Army can’t/won’t come, y’all should stand pat. I’d think that the rejection would be starting to sting about now.

Ga. State might be an option . . . But then again . . . .

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(10-16-2023 01:30 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 01:10 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:52 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  But from a competitive standpoint, I would just remind that Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and SMU are gone or about to be gone. About 1/2 of C-USA has joined in their place. If Army/Navy can’t hang with that, what are they doing FBS?

You can't base things on the past. The increased exposure, revenue, and prestige of the conference (among other factors) will likely help to grow and elevate the programs that want to succeed.

Okay, sure. But that still leaves unanswered the basic question: if AAC 2.0 is just too intense, what competitive level are they seeking? A hybrid of the MAC and UConn/UMass? Or… what, exactly?

The 9 regular season wins level...

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Back to the original question, if Army doesn't join there are only 4 schools I'd even consider and I don't know if I'd add any of them:

(In no particular order)

UMASS: Flagship University in a decent sized state. They've had basketball success in the past (with Cal) and can produce good football with the right investment.

Georgia State: Obvious choice. Great recruiting area, football has improved, basketball success in a short time, good academics and in one of the largest markets in the US. The question is would they leave the SBC for the American

Texas State: in a large television market in one of the largest state in the country, and the epicenter of football recruiting. Football seems to be improving, but not much basketball history. Somewhat of a geographic outlier in the SBC so may be willing to join.

UCONN (FO): Obviously this didn't work out the first time and there's zero chance basketball comes back, but UCONN football seems to be investing and improving with a proven a head coach (Mayne not this year]. Obviously UCONN is hoping for an all sports invite to a league like the Big 12 or ACC but who knows if that's coming. I have no idea if UCONN or the AAC would have any interest in going down this road again.