(01-10-2024 06:58 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:16 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If I was a coach I wouldn’t want to follow Saban. Too much pressure…. Alabama fans are crazy. They’re going to expect the same results in what’s now a different world.

Now when Saban’s replacement fails… That job will be a lot more desirable.

You don’t want to be the man that replaces the man. You want to be the man who replaces the man that replaced the man.

Exactly.

So, who is the best teaser pony coach? Dan Mullin? Jimbo Fisher? Chip Kelly?

Kiffin
He has the experience following legends with mediocre coaching performances.
He has followed Phil Fulmer at UT and Pete Carroll at SC

Fulmer only had 1 top 10 finish in his last 9 years, that's far different from Saban. Saban's last 9 years:

1st - 2015
2
1
2
8 - 2019
1
2
5
5th - 2023

So, that's an average finish of 3 over his last 9 years, with 3 Titles and only 1 finish outside of the top 5. Good luck living up to that, especially in the days of unlimited NIL money and unlimited transfers. Saban could outspend LSU, Auburn and A&M, but he can't outspend every single P4 school combined, and he still managed to finish in the top 5 in both of his last 2 years. If Alabama doesn't get Kiffin, or perhaps Sarkisian, they're in serious trouble. They're probably in serious trouble, anyway. Kirby will bury them, other SEC powers will rise, and Alabama's empire will turn to dust.

(01-10-2024 07:03 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:53 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:42 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:01 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I think it will be Kiffin, or, if not, a hungry young guy like Freeman or perhaps even Willie Taggert.

Willie Taggart?

What the what the what???

Where do they turn if Oregon matches for Lanning (highly likely) and Kiffin stays at Ole' Miss (far less likely but possible)? It's already January 10th. The biggest reason that coaches get fired in the middle of the season these days is to get a head start on the next season.

This situation kind of reminds me of when Alex Ferguson retired at ManU. He was the greatest coach and possibly also the greatest Soccer operations guy in the history of the sport. They brought in David Moyes, by all accounts an EXCELLENT coach, and he was fired in less than a year. It wasn't that Moyes wasn't a very good coach, but he wasn't the greatest of all time, and he couldn't get the same out of those players that Alex Ferguson could.

Taggart is the kind of guy who has been hired at other large/successful SEC programs over the past decade. It would be a little weird if he went to Alabama, and he wouldn't be their first choice, but he also wouldn't be their last choice and they could get him cheap just in case it proves harder than expected to continue Saban's otherworldly success.

He wouldn't be the last choice because he would never be considered at all.

Even in the 4 alarm fire scenario where we strike out with every single big name, you'd see Tommy Rees promoted before you'd ever see a failed FSU/FAU guy brought in who has no ties to the program. Mike Price would get another look before Willie Taggart.

I can't wait to see Alabama's next 5 years.

I think it would be a hoot if they fooled everybody and went back to their old playbook: poach another successful SEC coach at the top of his game. If you can get anybody with the right amount of money, why not Kirby Smart?

(01-10-2024 09:19 PM)ken d Wrote:  I think it would be a hoot if they fooled everybody and went back to their old playbook: poach another successful SEC coach at the top of his game. If you can get anybody with the right amount of money, why not Kirby Smart?

Georgia can outspend them, Ken. They wouldn't risk the embarrassment of a "No Thank You!" Ditto for Sarkisian at Texas.

(01-10-2024 05:43 PM)superdeluxe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so who replaces him? It'd be funny as anything if it were Lane Kiffin.

Lanning.

Oregon: Retain A Head Coach For More Than Two Seasons Before Another Program Poaches Him Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

(01-10-2024 09:02 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 07:03 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:53 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:42 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:01 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I think it will be Kiffin, or, if not, a hungry young guy like Freeman or perhaps even Willie Taggert.

Willie Taggart?

What the what the what???

Where do they turn if Oregon matches for Lanning (highly likely) and Kiffin stays at Ole' Miss (far less likely but possible)? It's already January 10th. The biggest reason that coaches get fired in the middle of the season these days is to get a head start on the next season.

This situation kind of reminds me of when Alex Ferguson retired at ManU. He was the greatest coach and possibly also the greatest Soccer operations guy in the history of the sport. They brought in David Moyes, by all accounts an EXCELLENT coach, and he was fired in less than a year. It wasn't that Moyes wasn't a very good coach, but he wasn't the greatest of all time, and he couldn't get the same out of those players that Alex Ferguson could.

Taggart is the kind of guy who has been hired at other large/successful SEC programs over the past decade. It would be a little weird if he went to Alabama, and he wouldn't be their first choice, but he also wouldn't be their last choice and they could get him cheap just in case it proves harder than expected to continue Saban's otherworldly success.

He wouldn't be the last choice because he would never be considered at all.

Even in the 4 alarm fire scenario where we strike out with every single big name, you'd see Tommy Rees promoted before you'd ever see a failed FSU/FAU guy brought in who has no ties to the program. Mike Price would get another look before Willie Taggart.

I can't wait to see Alabama's next 5 years.

Your interest and support are greatly appreciated.

(01-10-2024 10:07 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 09:02 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 07:03 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:53 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:42 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  Willie Taggart?

What the what the what???

Where do they turn if Oregon matches for Lanning (highly likely) and Kiffin stays at Ole' Miss (far less likely but possible)? It's already January 10th. The biggest reason that coaches get fired in the middle of the season these days is to get a head start on the next season.

This situation kind of reminds me of when Alex Ferguson retired at ManU. He was the greatest coach and possibly also the greatest Soccer operations guy in the history of the sport. They brought in David Moyes, by all accounts an EXCELLENT coach, and he was fired in less than a year. It wasn't that Moyes wasn't a very good coach, but he wasn't the greatest of all time, and he couldn't get the same out of those players that Alex Ferguson could.

Taggart is the kind of guy who has been hired at other large/successful SEC programs over the past decade. It would be a little weird if he went to Alabama, and he wouldn't be their first choice, but he also wouldn't be their last choice and they could get him cheap just in case it proves harder than expected to continue Saban's otherworldly success.

He wouldn't be the last choice because he would never be considered at all.

Even in the 4 alarm fire scenario where we strike out with every single big name, you'd see Tommy Rees promoted before you'd ever see a failed FSU/FAU guy brought in who has no ties to the program. Mike Price would get another look before Willie Taggart.

I can't wait to see Alabama's next 5 years.

Your interest and support are greatly appreciated.

The rarest commodity in College Football is a great Head Coach. Alabama will land one who is very much above average. Then I have confidence that the people in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham will teach him how to be great. Nick had all the tools, but even he was polished a bit by life in Tuscaloosa. His stint in Baton Rouge didn't hurt either.

Very above average coaches who can't succeed at South Bend, Columbus, Tuscaloosa, Norman, or Austin were either not as far above average as believed, or so big of a tool that they got in their own way. Those places have so much history and winning tradition that any open mind learns some things they didn't know or understand before arriving.

Lanning, Sark, Kiffin, Norvell, DeBoer.

Candidates to watch as Alabama replaces Nick Saban

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2024/...utType=amp

(01-10-2024 10:14 PM)unalions Wrote:  Lanning, Sark, Kiffin, Norvell, DeBoer.

Candidates to watch as Alabama replaces Nick Saban

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2024/...utType=amp

IMHO, of the five listed candidates, the two who would be most likely to leave their current position to replace Saban are Kiffin and Norvell.

(01-10-2024 10:41 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:14 PM)unalions Wrote:  Lanning, Sark, Kiffin, Norvell, DeBoer.

Candidates to watch as Alabama replaces Nick Saban

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2024/...utType=amp

IMHO, of the five listed candidates, the two who would be most likely to leave their current position to replace Saban are Kiffin and Norvell.

Never know. Oregon is about to be a second class citizen in a midwestern conference playing in Wisconsin and Minnesota half a continent away in November and making less money than the rest of the conference for about 7 years.

(01-10-2024 10:44 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:41 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:14 PM)unalions Wrote:  Lanning, Sark, Kiffin, Norvell, DeBoer.

Candidates to watch as Alabama replaces Nick Saban

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2024/...utType=amp

IMHO, of the five listed candidates, the two who would be most likely to leave their current position to replace Saban are Kiffin and Norvell.

Never know. Oregon is about to be a second class citizen in a midwestern conference playing in Wisconsin and Minnesota half a continent away in November and making less money than the rest of the conference for about 7 years.

Moving from Oregon to Alabama is an upgrade. Alabama is a destination move. Lanning will listen.

(01-10-2024 10:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Very above average coaches who can't succeed at South Bend, Columbus, Tuscaloosa, Norman, or Austin were either not as far above average as believed, or so big of a tool that they got in their own way. Those places have so much history and winning tradition that any open mind learns some things they didn't know or understand before arriving.

This. So much this.

No man is bigger than the program.

(01-10-2024 10:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:44 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:41 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:14 PM)unalions Wrote:  Lanning, Sark, Kiffin, Norvell, DeBoer.

Candidates to watch as Alabama replaces Nick Saban

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2024/...utType=amp

IMHO, of the five listed candidates, the two who would be most likely to leave their current position to replace Saban are Kiffin and Norvell.

Never know. Oregon is about to be a second class citizen in a midwestern conference playing in Wisconsin and Minnesota half a continent away in November and making less money than the rest of the conference for about 7 years.

Moving from Oregon to Alabama is an upgrade. Alabama is a destination move. Lanning will listen.

If Alabama calls, you have to listen. Even if you're being called to replace a legend.

(01-10-2024 10:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:44 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:41 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 10:14 PM)unalions Wrote:  Lanning, Sark, Kiffin, Norvell, DeBoer.

Candidates to watch as Alabama replaces Nick Saban

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2024/...utType=amp

IMHO, of the five listed candidates, the two who would be most likely to leave their current position to replace Saban are Kiffin and Norvell.

Never know. Oregon is about to be a second class citizen in a midwestern conference playing in Wisconsin and Minnesota half a continent away in November and making less money than the rest of the conference for about 7 years.

Moving from Oregon to Alabama is an upgrade. Alabama is a destination move. Lanning will listen.

Oregon has the best football facilities in college football and as usual, they have a top ten recruiting class. I think Lanning is in the early stages of something really good there, and I think he stays in Eugene. They will not be a second-class citizen in the Big Ten. But I think he will probably listen, but it is tough to follow-up on Saban's legendary career. It is better to do his own thing in Eugene.

Alabama needs to make a quick decision. They could lose a lot of key recruits. Five-star wide receiver recruit Ryan Williams decommitted today and I would be really worried about five-star QB recruit Julian Sayin from San Diego. I can see a bunch of schools coming at him hard, starting with USC and UCLA.

Urban Meyer would win multiple national championships at Alabama, yet his name doesn’t come up anywhere.

(01-11-2024 12:00 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Urban Meyer would win multiple national championships at Alabama, yet his name doesn’t come up anywhere.

There are not enough proton pump inhibitors or antacids to sustain Urban at Tuscaloosa!

(01-10-2024 05:35 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:24 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

The idea they'd hire James Franklin is high comedy.

This^ He is something like 1-25 against top 10 teams...
His teams chronically underperform...

Speaks for itself

(01-11-2024 01:17 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Speaks for itself

I have some tangential connections to the situation and Lanning is, supposedly, their #1 guy.

Whoever takes over is starting in a deep, deep hole of expectations.

(01-10-2024 07:17 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Crazy to think it could be O’Brien. Dude would be the replacement for two “legends.”

Of course, you never want to be the one who replaces the legend. And unlike Paterno, who wasn’t at or about at the top of his game when he left, Saban is/was.

Also, O'Brien was brought in under unusual circumstances where PSU just wanted a coach whose teams would be competant, but above all else avoid additional scandals for the program for obvious reasons... not like they were eligible for a conference title game or bowl, anyway, his two seasons.