(01-10-2024 05:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

The problem with this is that Dabo was never going back to replace Saban. Dabo has built his own legacy at Clemson, why would he ruin that to follow in the footsteps of someone he could never equal, much less surpass? He already makes Saban-type money, he gets to yell at callers on his show b/c he's the Guy Who Won Two Championships. If he went to Alabama he'd be the Guy Who Could Never Live Up to Saban. People like Lanning and Sarkisian? Same thing. They have a chance to build something at programs that will pay them just as much as Alabama would, but without the baggage that comes from following Saban.

I keep circling back to Kiffin. I remember how hard he worked on Arch Manning. Could he have gotten Arch if he was at Alabama instead of at Mississippi?

(01-10-2024 06:04 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:34 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:30 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  DeMeco Ryans next UAT coach

The Texans won the division in his first year and have an outright star rookie QB. Successful NFL coaches don't leave for college, even if it's home sweet home.

Ryans only making around 4 million. Tuscaloosa would be a good raise.

He'll get a good raise from Houston. He's not going anywhere.

(01-10-2024 06:05 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

The problem with this is that Dabo was never going back to replace Saban. Dabo has built his own legacy at Clemson, why would he ruin that to follow in the footsteps of someone he could never equal, much less surpass? He already makes Saban-type money, he gets to yell at callers on his show b/c he's the Guy Who Won Two Championships. If he went to Alabama he'd be the Guy Who Could Never Live Up to Saban. People like Lanning and Sarkisian? Same thing. They have a chance to build something at programs that will pay them just as much as Alabama would, but without the baggage that comes from following Saban.

I keep circling back to Kiffin. I remember how hard he worked on Arch Manning. Could he have gotten Arch if he was at Alabama instead of at Mississippi?

He still could get Arch at Alabama...

Does Saban replace Corso?

(01-10-2024 05:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Wouldn't it be the ultimate heel turn if Mike Norvell leaves FSU for Alabama?

Ooooooh man... after this undefeated season and no playoff? Who could blame him?

(01-10-2024 06:13 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Does Saban replace Corso?

I'll take Mack Brown for 1000 please Alex?

Remember Nick and press conferences, aw-right!

(01-10-2024 05:52 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:40 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:33 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:19 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  Dabo time?

Don't think so. I think the Alabama boosters would see his comments about everything and think he's way too behind the times right now.

I think his time has come and gone. He's been slow to adapt to NIL and the portal. I think there's a better chance of him getting totally out of coaching than getting the Alabama job.

Bama is going to want someone young and hungry...like Dabo was 15 years ago.

Yeah. If Saban had retired 5 years ago the 100% focus would've been Dabo. His star has faded a bit and we need to see if he can compete in the transfer portal/NIL era. Besides, he's pretty much a made man at Clemson until he decides to walk away or chase an NFL gig. There's a level of pressure at Alabama, particularly following the GOAT, that he doesn't need.

I have a different perspective based on that context. Given the ACC's precarious position and Clemson's need to maintain "brand value" Alabama openly shunning, and/or showing little interest in Dabo would be a pretty damning acknowledgment of his ability to lead the Tigers during this pivotal time period in the program's history.

If I'm Clemson I want Dabo to be a serious candidate for the 'Bama gig. Otherwise, they need to seriously consider moving on from Swinney imo. An "out of touch coach" is the last thing Clemson can afford right now.

I'm interested to see how many 'Bama players leave for the portal. In this era, 'Bama can lose steam VERY quickly given the immediate talent drain that can occur. Gene Stallings had them humming along (1 title) but he was ultimately chased away due to NCAA violations after a pretty short tenure in Tuscaloosa. Otherwise, it took them basically 30 years to find their Bear 2.0.

Yeah, here's a good idea: run off the guy who has won 2/3 of your total National Titles b/c he's only finished an average of 16th and only averaged 10 wins a season over the past 3 years. This is even dumber than the post about firing Matt Painter if he loses to a 15 seed again. Dabo has finished Ranked in 14 of his 15 years at Clemson. I can't think of a single person I'd rather have coaching my football team if I was an Admin there.

Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't compete so hard in the portal b/c his boosters don't fund his NIL program as well as hungrier boosters at FSU and 1/2 the SEC and B1G do? Heck, UH and any other program with a Billionaire Benefactor (hello SMU!) has a blank check for their NIL program. That maybe Dabo turns that around to his advantage when recruiting younger kids and trying to get kids to stick around long term, not b/c he feels that's the only way to go but b/c he has no other choice if he still wants to compete with the biggest-spending programs?

(01-10-2024 06:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If I was a coach I wouldn’t want to follow Saban. Too much pressure…. Alabama fans are crazy. They’re going to expect the same results in what’s now a different world.

Now when Saban’s replacement fails… That job will be a lot more desirable.

You don’t want to be the man that replaces the man. You want to be the man who replaces the man that replaced the man.

Exactly.

(01-10-2024 06:13 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Does Saban replace Corso?

Please I hope so!

Wow. End of an era.

Urban Meyer has to be the frontrunner, no? There’s no coach more qualified.

(01-10-2024 06:16 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If I was a coach I wouldn’t want to follow Saban. Too much pressure…. Alabama fans are crazy. They’re going to expect the same results in what’s now a different world.

Now when Saban’s replacement fails… That job will be a lot more desirable.

You don’t want to be the man that replaces the man. You want to be the man who replaces the man that replaced the man.

Exactly.

So, who is the best teaser pony coach? Dan Mullin? Jimbo Fisher? Chip Kelly?

(01-10-2024 06:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:52 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:40 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:33 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Don't think so. I think the Alabama boosters would see his comments about everything and think he's way too behind the times right now.

I think his time has come and gone. He's been slow to adapt to NIL and the portal. I think there's a better chance of him getting totally out of coaching than getting the Alabama job.

Bama is going to want someone young and hungry...like Dabo was 15 years ago.

Yeah. If Saban had retired 5 years ago the 100% focus would've been Dabo. His star has faded a bit and we need to see if he can compete in the transfer portal/NIL era. Besides, he's pretty much a made man at Clemson until he decides to walk away or chase an NFL gig. There's a level of pressure at Alabama, particularly following the GOAT, that he doesn't need.

I have a different perspective based on that context. Given the ACC's precarious position and Clemson's need to maintain "brand value" Alabama openly shunning, and/or showing little interest in Dabo would be a pretty damning acknowledgment of his ability to lead the Tigers during this pivotal time period in the program's history.

If I'm Clemson I want Dabo to be a serious candidate for the 'Bama gig. Otherwise, they need to seriously consider moving on from Swinney imo. An "out of touch coach" is the last thing Clemson can afford right now.

I'm interested to see how many 'Bama players leave for the portal. In this era, 'Bama can lose steam VERY quickly given the immediate talent drain that can occur. Gene Stallings had them humming along (1 title) but he was ultimately chased away due to NCAA violations after a pretty short tenure in Tuscaloosa. Otherwise, it took them basically 30 years to find their Bear 2.0.

Yeah, here's a good idea: run off the guy who has won 2/3 of your total National Titles b/c he's only finished an average of 16th and only averaged 10 wins a season over the past 3 years. This is even dumber than the post about firing Matt Painter if he loses to a 15 seed again. Dabo has finished Ranked in 14 of his 15 years at Clemson. I can't think of a single person I'd rather have coaching my football team if I was an Admin there.

Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't compete so hard in the portal b/c his boosters don't fund his NIL program as well as hungrier boosters at FSU and 1/2 the SEC and B1G do? Heck, UH and any other program with a Billionaire Benefactor (hello SMU!) has a blank check for their NIL program. That maybe Dabo turns that around to his advantage when recruiting younger kids and trying to get kids to stick around long term, not b/c he feels that's the only way to go but b/c he has no other choice if he still wants to compete with the biggest-spending programs?

There was already a "negative" post by Booger relating to Dabo being behind the times. There have been others who have stated as such. His candidacy for the job will be heavily scrutinized in the coming days. You believe those in Clemson, SC will be ignoring such "noise" and how it effects the direction of the Tiger's program as it tries to navigate both the NIL/Portal Era as well as the precarious state of the ACC (needing to remain at least a Top 20 program) under Dabo's stewardship?

If Dabo is looked at in a negative light by the media that is not a good thing both for him professionally or if you're Clemson trying to maintain national relevancy with such transcended dynamics at play. Perhaps, such "noise" will force Dabo to change some which will then, based on others' beliefs, help to solidify Clemson's national relevancy.

I absolutely stand by my comments.

(01-10-2024 05:56 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:40 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:35 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:24 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

The idea they'd hire James Franklin is high comedy.

No Kiffin?

I think that Freeman is the most likely of those that Thamel listed. Young, hungry, and he has a better chance to win at Bama than he does at ND. And, hopefully, Swarbrick sees that he's lost 2 coaches in a row to the SEC and decides to follow them and join the SEC with his Irish!

Freeman has no chance. He hasn't proven anything.

I'll be the coach who gets 2 years and then fired unceremoniously if I can get like 50% of Saban's salary.

(01-10-2024 06:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If I was a coach I wouldn’t want to follow Saban. Too much pressure…. Alabama fans are crazy. They’re going to expect the same results in what’s now a different world.

Now when Saban’s replacement fails… That job will be a lot more desirable.

You don’t want to be the man that replaces the man. You want to be the man who replaces the man that replaced the man.

It's Alabama. There's always going to be pressure.

However, this was their third consecutive season without a national championship. They fired Bill Curry after three years.

Whomever is next is likely going to need to win by season 2, or he won't make season 3 and the Tide may begin cycling through HCs like the Gators have since 2002. Firing everyone not named Urban Meyer after three or even two seasons.

(01-10-2024 06:23 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:52 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:40 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:33 PM)johnintx Wrote:  I think his time has come and gone. He's been slow to adapt to NIL and the portal. I think there's a better chance of him getting totally out of coaching than getting the Alabama job.

Bama is going to want someone young and hungry...like Dabo was 15 years ago.

Yeah. If Saban had retired 5 years ago the 100% focus would've been Dabo. His star has faded a bit and we need to see if he can compete in the transfer portal/NIL era. Besides, he's pretty much a made man at Clemson until he decides to walk away or chase an NFL gig. There's a level of pressure at Alabama, particularly following the GOAT, that he doesn't need.

I have a different perspective based on that context. Given the ACC's precarious position and Clemson's need to maintain "brand value" Alabama openly shunning, and/or showing little interest in Dabo would be a pretty damning acknowledgment of his ability to lead the Tigers during this pivotal time period in the program's history.

If I'm Clemson I want Dabo to be a serious candidate for the 'Bama gig. Otherwise, they need to seriously consider moving on from Swinney imo. An "out of touch coach" is the last thing Clemson can afford right now.

I'm interested to see how many 'Bama players leave for the portal. In this era, 'Bama can lose steam VERY quickly given the immediate talent drain that can occur. Gene Stallings had them humming along (1 title) but he was ultimately chased away due to NCAA violations after a pretty short tenure in Tuscaloosa. Otherwise, it took them basically 30 years to find their Bear 2.0.

Yeah, here's a good idea: run off the guy who has won 2/3 of your total National Titles b/c he's only finished an average of 16th and only averaged 10 wins a season over the past 3 years. This is even dumber than the post about firing Matt Painter if he loses to a 15 seed again. Dabo has finished Ranked in 14 of his 15 years at Clemson. I can't think of a single person I'd rather have coaching my football team if I was an Admin there.

Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't compete so hard in the portal b/c his boosters don't fund his NIL program as well as hungrier boosters at FSU and 1/2 the SEC and B1G do? Heck, UH and any other program with a Billionaire Benefactor (hello SMU!) has a blank check for their NIL program. That maybe Dabo turns that around to his advantage when recruiting younger kids and trying to get kids to stick around long term, not b/c he feels that's the only way to go but b/c he has no other choice if he still wants to compete with the biggest-spending programs?

There was already a "negative" post by Booger relating to Dabo being behind the times. There have been others who have stated as such. His candidacy for the job will be heavily scrutinized in the coming days. You believe those in Clemson, SC will be ignoring such "noise" and how it effects the direction of the Tiger's program as it tries to navigate both the NIL/Portal Era as well as the precarious state of the ACC (needing to remain at least a Top 20 program) under Dabo stewardship?

If Dabo is looked at in a negative light by the media that is not a good thing both for him professionally or if you're Clemson trying to maintain national relevancy with such transcended dynamics at play.

I absolutely stand by my comments.

You're not the first to make such comments about Dabo, and you won't be the last, but I would take his last 15 years over anybody other than Nick Saban or Urban Meyer, and you would, too. What does the next 15 years hold? Who knows? I certainly don't. What it looks like today could be very different from what it looks like in 6 weeks, 6 months, or 6 years. But one thing that I've learned over the years, the best predictive factor in future success is past success (or lack thereof). Perhaps Dabo has lost his fastball, and perhaps the times have passed him by, but I'd be very hesitant to assume that. He's one of the best coaches in the history of College Football, and he's the only person other than Urban Meyer who you could say was a coin flip to beat Nick Saban in a head to head matchup with all the chips on the line and equally talented rosters.

Speaking of which, I'm going to guess that Urban Meyer or Pete Carroll is the next coach at Alabama.

(01-10-2024 06:28 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:23 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:52 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 05:40 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  Yeah. If Saban had retired 5 years ago the 100% focus would've been Dabo. His star has faded a bit and we need to see if he can compete in the transfer portal/NIL era. Besides, he's pretty much a made man at Clemson until he decides to walk away or chase an NFL gig. There's a level of pressure at Alabama, particularly following the GOAT, that he doesn't need.

I have a different perspective based on that context. Given the ACC's precarious position and Clemson's need to maintain "brand value" Alabama openly shunning, and/or showing little interest in Dabo would be a pretty damning acknowledgment of his ability to lead the Tigers during this pivotal time period in the program's history.

If I'm Clemson I want Dabo to be a serious candidate for the 'Bama gig. Otherwise, they need to seriously consider moving on from Swinney imo. An "out of touch coach" is the last thing Clemson can afford right now.

I'm interested to see how many 'Bama players leave for the portal. In this era, 'Bama can lose steam VERY quickly given the immediate talent drain that can occur. Gene Stallings had them humming along (1 title) but he was ultimately chased away due to NCAA violations after a pretty short tenure in Tuscaloosa. Otherwise, it took them basically 30 years to find their Bear 2.0.

Yeah, here's a good idea: run off the guy who has won 2/3 of your total National Titles b/c he's only finished an average of 16th and only averaged 10 wins a season over the past 3 years. This is even dumber than the post about firing Matt Painter if he loses to a 15 seed again. Dabo has finished Ranked in 14 of his 15 years at Clemson. I can't think of a single person I'd rather have coaching my football team if I was an Admin there.

Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't compete so hard in the portal b/c his boosters don't fund his NIL program as well as hungrier boosters at FSU and 1/2 the SEC and B1G do? Heck, UH and any other program with a Billionaire Benefactor (hello SMU!) has a blank check for their NIL program. That maybe Dabo turns that around to his advantage when recruiting younger kids and trying to get kids to stick around long term, not b/c he feels that's the only way to go but b/c he has no other choice if he still wants to compete with the biggest-spending programs?

There was already a "negative" post by Booger relating to Dabo being behind the times. There have been others who have stated as such. His candidacy for the job will be heavily scrutinized in the coming days. You believe those in Clemson, SC will be ignoring such "noise" and how it effects the direction of the Tiger's program as it tries to navigate both the NIL/Portal Era as well as the precarious state of the ACC (needing to remain at least a Top 20 program) under Dabo stewardship?

If Dabo is looked at in a negative light by the media that is not a good thing both for him professionally or if you're Clemson trying to maintain national relevancy with such transcended dynamics at play.

I absolutely stand by my comments.

You're not the first to make such comments about Dabo, and you won't be the last, but I would take his last 15 years over anybody other than Nick Saban or Urban Meyer, and you would, too. What does the next 15 years hold? Who knows? I certainly don't. What it looks like today could be very different from what it looks like in 6 weeks, 6 months, or 6 years. But one thing that I've learned over the years, the best predictive factor in future success is past success (or lack thereof). Perhaps Dabo has lost his fastball, and perhaps the times have passed him by, but I'd be very hesitant to assume that. He's one of the best coaches in the history of College Football, and he's the only person other than Urban Meyer who you could say was a coin flip to beat Nick Saban in a head to head matchup with all the chips on the line and equally talented rosters.

Speaking of which, I'm going to guess that Urban Meyer or Pete Carroll is the next coach at Alabama.

What comments am I making about Dabo? I'm the first one who mentioned his name on the thread by stating "Dabo Time?". It's the media/growing narrative about Dabo being "behind the times" that made me extrapolate my thoughts out further given how he will be placed under the microscope in the coming days. And if you're in Clemson, you won't be able to hide from the noise. Simply put, you do not want your head coaches credentials/current competency being diminished by the national media.

If you're an Ohio State fan, would you prefer Day is a candidate or not?

(01-10-2024 06:27 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 06:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If I was a coach I wouldn’t want to follow Saban. Too much pressure…. Alabama fans are crazy. They’re going to expect the same results in what’s now a different world.

Now when Saban’s replacement fails… That job will be a lot more desirable.

You don’t want to be the man that replaces the man. You want to be the man who replaces the man that replaced the man.

It's Alabama. There's always going to be pressure.

However, this was their third consecutive season without a national championship. They fired Bill Curry after three years.

Whomever is next is likely going to need to win by season 2, or he won't make season 3 and the Tide may begin cycling through HCs like the Gators have since 2002. Firing everyone not named Urban Meyer after three or even two seasons.

People don't realize how quickly things can turn, especially with all the huge turmoil and even Huger $$ (more huge? whatever) that's invaded our CFB safe spaces. Tennessee, Florida, A&M, OU, LSU and Auburn are all Big $$ SEC programs that have gone years without big success, and all have funding similar to Alabama's. Tennessee went nearly 25 years before starting to turn things around, UF has gone more than a decade, A&M has been up and down, LSU had one good year but a whole bunch of so-so ones (by their lofty standards) recently, Auburn has been something between bad and a dumpster fire for years... the ONLY thing Alabama has going for them right now that none of those other programs has is the talent that's currently on that roster. That's it. But if they don't replace Saban like yesterday then all of that talent is going to disperse and Alabama will be looking back in 5, 10, or 25 years, wondering why it took them so long to begin to turn things around.

I've been kind of joking about this, but I actually think that Pete Carroll would be a great (short-term) replacement if he's physically up for it. He was into NIL long before the courts ok'd it, he's won a Super Bowl, he's proven to be a savvy operator, and he's been a winner everywhere he's gone for decades. If my kid was a 5* stud in the South and Pete Carroll called me, I'd be excited to talk to him about how he's going to get my Boy to the NFL. Anyone else Alabama could reasonably expect to get right now (except for Kiffin ofc) would not elicit that same reaction from a parent or a stud athlete.

What about Kalen DeBoer? Alabama could have Da Bear, Da Goat, and DeBoer.