(10-17-2017 10:54 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  HAHA I have never seen so many fans this butt hurt over a meaningless preseason ranking. Although it does make sense because this fan base would probably take a KenPom title over an actual national title.

Please list all of the fans who are “butt hurt”.

I’m sure it’s gonna take a while since you’ve never seen so many before.

(10-17-2017 11:08 AM)shockerfan1313 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:54 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  HAHA I have never seen so many fans this butt hurt over a meaningless preseason ranking. Although it does make sense because this fan base would probably take a KenPom title over an actual national title.

Pretty sure it has mainly been 1 fan......

And honestly he is just baiting the **** out of all of you. It's what he does

And he’s luring them by the pound full.

You’d think a fan base with bearcats#1 representing it would understand. Clearly not.

Regardless of how the predictions so --- after reading this --- it is obvious that this is going to be by far the most FUN hoops' season for our conference since its inception. Can anyone really disagree?

I do credit WSU for bringing the sleeping giant of emotions out of us --- and now seems quite boring (and obviously much less talented) if we had not invited them.

One of my best buds here behind the ACC Curtain is all about the ACC and then 2nd, the power leagues. Great guy and "WSU played little sisters of the poor" is his slogan, so we now have two bets. I have the Bearcats at #2 but our bet is I have WSU at #1. It is a push if WSU is #2 and he wins if WSU is #3 or below.

We also even have a bet that WSU even makes the NCAA tournament. I win if the Shockers make it. Needless to say, I think I go 2-for-2 or at worst 1-0-1.

Shockers' fans -- any other unique fun betting ideas I can toss out as he's willing to take more...?

Your buddy is a moron if he thinks WSU won't make the tournament. When was the last time they weren't dancing?

(10-17-2017 12:14 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:05 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:31 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:54 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  HAHA I have never seen so many fans this butt hurt over a meaningless preseason ranking. Although it does make sense because this fan base would probably take a KenPom title over an actual national title.

Pretty salty talk about a fanbase whose team has actually been within shouting distance of said national title this millennia. But I can see how you would want to attack the analytical metrics. They paint a picture you don't like. That painting looks pretty much the same if you use regular season or post season results as the medium instead, though that doesn't fit your narrative.

I'm still trying to find all the people you claim are upset to begin with. Seems like an invention of your mind.

My apologies for the statement about the fan base. After further review it appears that coldblooded is alone in his reaction.

Re: analytics

Don't you think most fan bases side with whatever fits their narrative best?

Here is one fact about WSU: they didn't beat a single NCAAT at large team during the regular season.

Here is another: they finished 8th (I think) in Kenpom.

I don't think it's irrational for me to be skeptical about WSU this coming year as a top 5 team (and being better than UC), considering they lost to every good team they played except Dayton.

Likewise, I can see how you all are incredibly excited about your squad this year (minus the injury concerns). 8th in Kenpom is impressive and goes to show how dominant WSU was in the MVC. I for one am excited to see how that translates to the AAC, but hopefully it's not at the expense of a UC conference title.

I have another fact about WSU:

9-4 in the NCAA's in the last 4 visits.


The Shockers eat skeptics for breakfast.


T


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^^^^

The "didn't beat an NCAA tournament team" is so obnoxious and irrelevant and such a low sample size it does not matter one iota. When you add in the fact that ZERO Wichita State fans will tell you we were elite with Conner Frankamp at PG the sample size becomes even more insignificant.

You know what's significant? Marshall's teams exceeding or meeting lofty expectations year after year. Marshall's teams competing in March every single year. His worst performance in the NCAA tournament since 2005 was losing by 10 in the first round. With Winthrop. As a 14 seed. That was his WORST result. (Full disclosure: he had worse results when he still using Winthrop players from the previous coach). Bet against Gregg Marshall, you will come out looking dumb. You can be skeptical all you want. But I am not skeptical. I'm 100% sure. It's not like people haven't been skeptical of WSU every single year. The only thing that changes every single year is where the goalposts are located.

(10-17-2017 12:49 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Your buddy is a moron if he thinks WSU won't make the tournament. When was the last time they weren't dancing?

JF, his logic is that no MVC tournament and no MVC auto-bid = No Shockers in NCAA

(10-17-2017 12:28 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:08 AM)shockerfan1313 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:54 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  HAHA I have never seen so many fans this butt hurt over a meaningless preseason ranking. Although it does make sense because this fan base would probably take a KenPom title over an actual national title.

Pretty sure it has mainly been 1 fan......

And honestly he is just baiting the **** out of all of you. It's what he does

And he’s luring them by the pound full.

You’d think a fan base with bearcats#1 representing it would understand. Clearly not.

The greatest troll I've seen so far is the AAC Preseason Coaches Poll. I envision the SMU and Cincy coaching staff reading this very thread and just coating their monitors with various breakfast beverages.



I say WELL DONE boys! You've started the season off with a bang!


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(10-17-2017 12:51 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:14 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:05 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:31 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:54 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  HAHA I have never seen so many fans this butt hurt over a meaningless preseason ranking. Although it does make sense because this fan base would probably take a KenPom title over an actual national title.

Pretty salty talk about a fanbase whose team has actually been within shouting distance of said national title this millennia. But I can see how you would want to attack the analytical metrics. They paint a picture you don't like. That painting looks pretty much the same if you use regular season or post season results as the medium instead, though that doesn't fit your narrative.

I'm still trying to find all the people you claim are upset to begin with. Seems like an invention of your mind.

My apologies for the statement about the fan base. After further review it appears that coldblooded is alone in his reaction.

Re: analytics

Don't you think most fan bases side with whatever fits their narrative best?

Here is one fact about WSU: they didn't beat a single NCAAT at large team during the regular season.

Here is another: they finished 8th (I think) in Kenpom.

I don't think it's irrational for me to be skeptical about WSU this coming year as a top 5 team (and being better than UC), considering they lost to every good team they played except Dayton.

Likewise, I can see how you all are incredibly excited about your squad this year (minus the injury concerns). 8th in Kenpom is impressive and goes to show how dominant WSU was in the MVC. I for one am excited to see how that translates to the AAC, but hopefully it's not at the expense of a UC conference title.

I have another fact about WSU:

9-4 in the NCAA's in the last 4 visits.


The Shockers eat skeptics for breakfast.


T


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^^^^

The "didn't beat an NCAA tournament team" is so obnoxious and irrelevant and such a low sample size it does not matter one iota. When you add in the fact that ZERO Wichita State fans will tell you we were elite with Conner Frankamp at PG the sample size becomes even more insignificant.

You know what's significant? Marshall's teams exceeding or meeting lofty expectations year after year. Marshall's teams competing in March every single year. His worst performance in the NCAA tournament since 2005 was losing by 10 in the first round. With Winthrop. As a 14 seed. That was his WORST result. (Full disclosure: he had worse results when he still using Winthrop players from the previous coach). Bet against Gregg Marshall, you will come out looking dumb. You can be skeptical all you want. But I am not skeptical. I'm 100% sure. It's not like people haven't been skeptical of WSU every single year. The only thing that changes every single year is where the goalposts are located.

You literally just made my point for me.

Different fan bases have different narratives. What I stated were two FACTS.

I watched WSU against UK (and a couple of others games) and was definitely impressed. They clearly had a good team last year and I think they'll be really good this year. But I am allowed to be skeptical about a team (as a top 5 lock) that didn't beat anyone with a pulse (other than Dayton) and have their two stars nursing foot fractures. Just like you can scream from the top of the mountain about KenPom all you want.

It's not like I'm saying WSU is a bubble team. I think they are two really good teams in this conference for next year, but I believe UC will be better. And, no, before you ask, I don't think UC will be a top 5 team. I think both are in the 8-12 range.

(10-17-2017 12:56 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:49 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Your buddy is a moron if he thinks WSU won't make the tournament. When was the last time they weren't dancing?

JF, his logic is that no MVC tournament and no MVC auto-bid = No Shockers in NCAA

Interesting. I think you'll win that bet.

(10-17-2017 12:56 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:49 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Your buddy is a moron if he thinks WSU won't make the tournament. When was the last time they weren't dancing?

JF, his logic is that no MVC tournament and no MVC auto-bid = No Shockers in NCAA

That’s really interesting because WSU has won exactly TWO Valley Tournaments in its history. So outside of 2014 (where they went undefeated and were getting a 1 seed anyway) and last year, every time you’ve seen WSU in the NCAA’s has come by the way of at-large bid.

Is your friend more of a football guy?

(10-17-2017 01:13 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:51 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:14 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:05 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:31 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  Pretty salty talk about a fanbase whose team has actually been within shouting distance of said national title this millennia. But I can see how you would want to attack the analytical metrics. They paint a picture you don't like. That painting looks pretty much the same if you use regular season or post season results as the medium instead, though that doesn't fit your narrative.

I'm still trying to find all the people you claim are upset to begin with. Seems like an invention of your mind.

My apologies for the statement about the fan base. After further review it appears that coldblooded is alone in his reaction.

Re: analytics

Don't you think most fan bases side with whatever fits their narrative best?

Here is one fact about WSU: they didn't beat a single NCAAT at large team during the regular season.

Here is another: they finished 8th (I think) in Kenpom.

I don't think it's irrational for me to be skeptical about WSU this coming year as a top 5 team (and being better than UC), considering they lost to every good team they played except Dayton.

Likewise, I can see how you all are incredibly excited about your squad this year (minus the injury concerns). 8th in Kenpom is impressive and goes to show how dominant WSU was in the MVC. I for one am excited to see how that translates to the AAC, but hopefully it's not at the expense of a UC conference title.

I have another fact about WSU:

9-4 in the NCAA's in the last 4 visits.


The Shockers eat skeptics for breakfast.


T


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^^^^

The "didn't beat an NCAA tournament team" is so obnoxious and irrelevant and such a low sample size it does not matter one iota. When you add in the fact that ZERO Wichita State fans will tell you we were elite with Conner Frankamp at PG the sample size becomes even more insignificant.

You know what's significant? Marshall's teams exceeding or meeting lofty expectations year after year. Marshall's teams competing in March every single year. His worst performance in the NCAA tournament since 2005 was losing by 10 in the first round. With Winthrop. As a 14 seed. That was his WORST result. (Full disclosure: he had worse results when he still using Winthrop players from the previous coach). Bet against Gregg Marshall, you will come out looking dumb. You can be skeptical all you want. But I am not skeptical. I'm 100% sure. It's not like people haven't been skeptical of WSU every single year. The only thing that changes every single year is where the goalposts are located.

You literally just made my point for me.

Different fan bases have different narratives. What I stated were two FACTS.

I watched WSU against UK (and a couple of others games) and was definitely impressed. They clearly had a good team last year and I think they'll be really good this year. But I am allowed to be skeptical about a team (as a top 5 lock) that didn't beat anyone with a pulse (other than Dayton) and have their two stars nursing foot fractures. Just like you can scream from the top of the mountain about KenPom all you want.

It's not like I'm saying WSU is a bubble team. I think they are two really good teams in this conference for next year, but I believe UC will be better. And, no, before you ask, I don't think UC will be a top 5 team. I think both are in the 8-12 range.

And my point is that we've seen quite a few different narratives from different schools over these past few years. Guess which school's narrative is the only one that's always right.

(10-17-2017 01:14 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:56 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:49 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Your buddy is a moron if he thinks WSU won't make the tournament. When was the last time they weren't dancing?

JF, his logic is that no MVC tournament and no MVC auto-bid = No Shockers in NCAA

Interesting. I think you'll win that bet.

Well I think you're pretty safe with that bet. Besides, we've made six NCAA tournaments in a row and only gotten the MVC autobid twice during that time, last year and the undefeated regular season in 2014.

If there were a category for "Do it All" or "Utility Knife"...

Kentrell Barkley
6'5" 205lbs
PTS: 13.2
REB: 7.6
AST: 2.6
BLK: 0.5
STL: 1.0

In Barkley's final 2 games of last season (during the AAC tourney) he had:

vs Temple (W 80-69): 26 points, 16 rebounds
vs SMU (L 77-81): 24 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists

He has taken over as the leader and best player on the team. We are all expecting big things from Kentrell this season!

UCF fans seem to be making Tacko out as a force but these are his lines against Tulsa last year. Maybe he will be much improved this year but Williams and Banyard were bigger factors in the UCF/TU games last year than Fall.

Min FG. 3-Pt. FT. OReb. DReb TReb As. Stl. Blk. TO. PF. Pts
19. 2-6 0-0 0-0 1 1 2 1 1 1 0 4 4
25 4-4 0-0 1-2 2 5 7 0 0 5 —� —� 9

(10-17-2017 01:52 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  If there were a category for "Do it All" or "Utility Knife"...

Kentrell Barkley
6'5" 205lbs
PTS: 13.2
REB: 7.6
AST: 2.6
BLK: 0.5
STL: 1.0

In Barkley's final 2 games of last season (during the AAC tourney) he had:

vs Temple (W 80-69): 26 points, 16 rebounds
vs SMU (L 77-81): 24 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists

He has taken over as the leader and best player on the team. We are all expecting big things from Kentrell this season!

I hate playing against Barkley, he is a do it all player and I think he would be much better respected if he played for a better overall team.

(10-17-2017 01:59 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 01:52 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  If there were a category for "Do it All" or "Utility Knife"...

Kentrell Barkley
6'5" 205lbs
PTS: 13.2
REB: 7.6
AST: 2.6
BLK: 0.5
STL: 1.0

In Barkley's final 2 games of last season (during the AAC tourney) he had:

vs Temple (W 80-69): 26 points, 16 rebounds
vs SMU (L 77-81): 24 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists

He has taken over as the leader and best player on the team. We are all expecting big things from Kentrell this season!

I hate playing against Barkley, he is a do it all player and I think he would be much better respected if he played for a better overall team.

Truth.

But shhhhhhh.....don't give him any ideas.

(10-17-2017 01:13 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:51 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:14 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:05 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:31 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  Pretty salty talk about a fanbase whose team has actually been within shouting distance of said national title this millennia. But I can see how you would want to attack the analytical metrics. They paint a picture you don't like. That painting looks pretty much the same if you use regular season or post season results as the medium instead, though that doesn't fit your narrative.

I'm still trying to find all the people you claim are upset to begin with. Seems like an invention of your mind.

My apologies for the statement about the fan base. After further review it appears that coldblooded is alone in his reaction.

Re: analytics

Don't you think most fan bases side with whatever fits their narrative best?

Here is one fact about WSU: they didn't beat a single NCAAT at large team during the regular season.

Here is another: they finished 8th (I think) in Kenpom.

I don't think it's irrational for me to be skeptical about WSU this coming year as a top 5 team (and being better than UC), considering they lost to every good team they played except Dayton.

Likewise, I can see how you all are incredibly excited about your squad this year (minus the injury concerns). 8th in Kenpom is impressive and goes to show how dominant WSU was in the MVC. I for one am excited to see how that translates to the AAC, but hopefully it's not at the expense of a UC conference title.

I have another fact about WSU:

9-4 in the NCAA's in the last 4 visits.


The Shockers eat skeptics for breakfast.


T


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^^^^

The "didn't beat an NCAA tournament team" is so obnoxious and irrelevant and such a low sample size it does not matter one iota. When you add in the fact that ZERO Wichita State fans will tell you we were elite with Conner Frankamp at PG the sample size becomes even more insignificant.

You know what's significant? Marshall's teams exceeding or meeting lofty expectations year after year. Marshall's teams competing in March every single year. His worst performance in the NCAA tournament since 2005 was losing by 10 in the first round. With Winthrop. As a 14 seed. That was his WORST result. (Full disclosure: he had worse results when he still using Winthrop players from the previous coach). Bet against Gregg Marshall, you will come out looking dumb. You can be skeptical all you want. But I am not skeptical. I'm 100% sure. It's not like people haven't been skeptical of WSU every single year. The only thing that changes every single year is where the goalposts are located.

You literally just made my point for me.

Different fan bases have different narratives. What I stated were two FACTS.

I watched WSU against UK (and a couple of others games) and was definitely impressed. They clearly had a good team last year and I think they'll be really good this year. But I am allowed to be skeptical about a team (as a top 5 lock) that didn't beat anyone with a pulse (other than Dayton) and have their two stars nursing foot fractures. Just like you can scream from the top of the mountain about KenPom all you want.

It's not like I'm saying WSU is a bubble team. I think they are two really good teams in this conference for next year, but I believe UC will be better. And, no, before you ask, I don't think UC will be a top 5 team. I think both are in the 8-12 range.

I decided to look up Cincy's NCAA tournament history and you know what? Maybe you should just keep your opinion to yourself as it relates to overrated/untested teams...

You've enjoyed the luxury of being a member of the Big East for 8 years... 8 years of guaranteed at-large bids to the NCAA tournament with the only qualifier being a .500 league record; 8 years of loaded schedules with every brand name program in the country dropped on your lap; 8 years of a sea of top 100 recruits washing onto your shores every spring with nary a lure being cast; 8 years of sucking on the tit that is a major television contract along with an avalanche of NCAA tourney credits in a league where as many as 8 teams get an invite...

You had all this and you've only "earned" one Sweet 16 since 2005?

Over the last decade our coaching staff has wasted thousands of hours cobbling together a schedule and praying that it'll be enough in the end; we've recruited tirelessly against teams that pay for players, offer hookers, and/or have the huge advantage of conference/sponsorship/NBA affiliation; we've had to go to the alumni to pay for private jets, million-dollar salaries, and facility renovations... we've had NOTHING given to us. Every single accomplishment we've achieved has come through the hard work and generous donations of Shocker Nation.

So you'll forgive me if I tell you to **** off when you complain about us not beating someone when we've beaten a MASSIVELY greater number of someone's than your beloved Bearcats, and we've done it with an INORDINATELY smaller number of opportunities.

3 Sweet Sixteens, 1 Elite Eight and a Final Four since 2006.

That is all.




T


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(10-17-2017 08:48 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Still trying to figure how any of you score on Tacko?

I answer that question with a question when will you figure out how to beat us

(10-17-2017 02:36 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 01:13 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:51 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:14 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:05 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  My apologies for the statement about the fan base. After further review it appears that coldblooded is alone in his reaction.

Re: analytics

Don't you think most fan bases side with whatever fits their narrative best?

Here is one fact about WSU: they didn't beat a single NCAAT at large team during the regular season.

Here is another: they finished 8th (I think) in Kenpom.

I don't think it's irrational for me to be skeptical about WSU this coming year as a top 5 team (and being better than UC), considering they lost to every good team they played except Dayton.

Likewise, I can see how you all are incredibly excited about your squad this year (minus the injury concerns). 8th in Kenpom is impressive and goes to show how dominant WSU was in the MVC. I for one am excited to see how that translates to the AAC, but hopefully it's not at the expense of a UC conference title.

I have another fact about WSU:

9-4 in the NCAA's in the last 4 visits.


The Shockers eat skeptics for breakfast.


T


...

^^^^

The "didn't beat an NCAA tournament team" is so obnoxious and irrelevant and such a low sample size it does not matter one iota. When you add in the fact that ZERO Wichita State fans will tell you we were elite with Conner Frankamp at PG the sample size becomes even more insignificant.

You know what's significant? Marshall's teams exceeding or meeting lofty expectations year after year. Marshall's teams competing in March every single year. His worst performance in the NCAA tournament since 2005 was losing by 10 in the first round. With Winthrop. As a 14 seed. That was his WORST result. (Full disclosure: he had worse results when he still using Winthrop players from the previous coach). Bet against Gregg Marshall, you will come out looking dumb. You can be skeptical all you want. But I am not skeptical. I'm 100% sure. It's not like people haven't been skeptical of WSU every single year. The only thing that changes every single year is where the goalposts are located.

You literally just made my point for me.

Different fan bases have different narratives. What I stated were two FACTS.

I watched WSU against UK (and a couple of others games) and was definitely impressed. They clearly had a good team last year and I think they'll be really good this year. But I am allowed to be skeptical about a team (as a top 5 lock) that didn't beat anyone with a pulse (other than Dayton) and have their two stars nursing foot fractures. Just like you can scream from the top of the mountain about KenPom all you want.

It's not like I'm saying WSU is a bubble team. I think they are two really good teams in this conference for next year, but I believe UC will be better. And, no, before you ask, I don't think UC will be a top 5 team. I think both are in the 8-12 range.

I decided to look up Cincy's NCAA tournament history and you know what? Maybe you should just keep your opinion to yourself as it relates to overrated/untested teams...

You've enjoyed the luxury of being a member of the Big East for 8 years... 8 years of guaranteed at-large bids to the NCAA tournament with the only qualifier being a .500 league record; 8 years of loaded schedules with every brand name program in the country dropped on your lap; 8 years of a sea of top 100 recruits washing onto your shores every spring with nary a lure being cast; 8 years of sucking on the tit that is a major television contract along with an avalanche of NCAA tourney credits in a league where as many as 8 teams get an invite...

You had all this and you've only "earned" one Sweet 16 since 2005?

Over the last decade our coaching staff has wasted thousands of hours cobbling together a schedule and praying that it'll be enough in the end; we've recruited tirelessly against teams that pay for players, offer hookers, and/or have the huge advantage of conference/sponsorship/NBA affiliation; we've had to go to the alumni to pay for private jets, million-dollar salaries, and facility renovations... we've had NOTHING given to us. Every single accomplishment we've achieved has come through the hard work and generous donations of Shocker Nation.

So you'll forgive me if I tell you to **** off when you complain about us not beating someone when we've beaten a MASSIVELY greater number of someone's than your beloved Bearcats, and we've done it with an INORDINATELY smaller number of opportunities.

3 Sweet Sixteens, 1 Elite Eight and a Final Four since 2006.

That is all.




T


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The notion that someone can't have an opinion about another team because the team they root for lacks success has got to be one of the lamest rebuttals that you'll see on a sports message board. So, well done there.

Also, it's obvious that you're very proud of that "roast" you just put together. But here's some free advice: do more research next time

Remember 2005? Cincinnati's first year in the Big East? Well, Huggins was fired a month before the season started. One lame duck coach later (Andy Kennedy) and Mick Cronin was starting over in the Big East with literally one scholarship player (Cedric McGowan).

There were a few lean years to say the least, but once Cronin's first freshman class (2007) reached their senior year (2010), UC was back in the tournament. They haven't missed it since (7 straight) and I'm hopeful/confident this is the year they finally break through and make some noise.

Edit: Just thought I should add it's clear you are extremely prideful about your Shockers. And you should be! You all have a great program and should be very good again this year! Doesn't mean I can't think WSU is overrated at #5 or wherever some of these media outlets are placing them in the preseason.

(10-17-2017 03:11 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:36 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 01:13 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:51 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:14 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I have another fact about WSU:

9-4 in the NCAA's in the last 4 visits.


The Shockers eat skeptics for breakfast.


T


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^^^^

The "didn't beat an NCAA tournament team" is so obnoxious and irrelevant and such a low sample size it does not matter one iota. When you add in the fact that ZERO Wichita State fans will tell you we were elite with Conner Frankamp at PG the sample size becomes even more insignificant.

You know what's significant? Marshall's teams exceeding or meeting lofty expectations year after year. Marshall's teams competing in March every single year. His worst performance in the NCAA tournament since 2005 was losing by 10 in the first round. With Winthrop. As a 14 seed. That was his WORST result. (Full disclosure: he had worse results when he still using Winthrop players from the previous coach). Bet against Gregg Marshall, you will come out looking dumb. You can be skeptical all you want. But I am not skeptical. I'm 100% sure. It's not like people haven't been skeptical of WSU every single year. The only thing that changes every single year is where the goalposts are located.

You literally just made my point for me.

Different fan bases have different narratives. What I stated were two FACTS.

I watched WSU against UK (and a couple of others games) and was definitely impressed. They clearly had a good team last year and I think they'll be really good this year. But I am allowed to be skeptical about a team (as a top 5 lock) that didn't beat anyone with a pulse (other than Dayton) and have their two stars nursing foot fractures. Just like you can scream from the top of the mountain about KenPom all you want.

It's not like I'm saying WSU is a bubble team. I think they are two really good teams in this conference for next year, but I believe UC will be better. And, no, before you ask, I don't think UC will be a top 5 team. I think both are in the 8-12 range.

I decided to look up Cincy's NCAA tournament history and you know what? Maybe you should just keep your opinion to yourself as it relates to overrated/untested teams...

You've enjoyed the luxury of being a member of the Big East for 8 years... 8 years of guaranteed at-large bids to the NCAA tournament with the only qualifier being a .500 league record; 8 years of loaded schedules with every brand name program in the country dropped on your lap; 8 years of a sea of top 100 recruits washing onto your shores every spring with nary a lure being cast; 8 years of sucking on the tit that is a major television contract along with an avalanche of NCAA tourney credits in a league where as many as 8 teams get an invite...

You had all this and you've only "earned" one Sweet 16 since 2005?

Over the last decade our coaching staff has wasted thousands of hours cobbling together a schedule and praying that it'll be enough in the end; we've recruited tirelessly against teams that pay for players, offer hookers, and/or have the huge advantage of conference/sponsorship/NBA affiliation; we've had to go to the alumni to pay for private jets, million-dollar salaries, and facility renovations... we've had NOTHING given to us. Every single accomplishment we've achieved has come through the hard work and generous donations of Shocker Nation.

So you'll forgive me if I tell you to **** off when you complain about us not beating someone when we've beaten a MASSIVELY greater number of someone's than your beloved Bearcats, and we've done it with an INORDINATELY smaller number of opportunities.

3 Sweet Sixteens, 1 Elite Eight and a Final Four since 2006.

That is all.




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The notion that someone can't have an opinion about another team because the team they root for lacks success has got to be one of the lamest rebuttals that you'll see on a sports message board. So, well done there.

Also, it's obvious that you're very proud of that "roast" you just put together. But here's some free advice: do more research next time

Remember 2005? Cincinnati's first year in the Big East? Well, Huggins was fired a month before the season started. One lame duck coach later (Andy Kennedy) and Mick Cronin was starting over in the Big East with literally one scholarship player (Cedric McGowan).

There were a few lean years to say the least, but once Cronin's first freshman class (2007) reached their senior year (2010), UC was back in the tournament. They haven't missed it since (7 straight) and I'm hopeful/confident this is the year they finally break through and make some noise.

Edit: Just thought I should add it's clear you are extremely prideful about your Shockers. And you should be! You all have a great program and should be very good again this year! Doesn't mean I can't think WSU is overrated at #5 or wherever some of these media outlets are placing them in the preseason.

I applaud you for trying. But he won't stop. Trust me....lol. Cold enjoys getting under opposing fans skins.

Reasonable post on your part though.